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[TurambarEA]

Just read the google doc - the sheer volume of problems as highlighted by that doc can't be explained away by anything other than indoctrination theory. Conversely, indoctrination theory explains those problems/plot holes very well. Indoctrination theory = last hope. I hope Bioware turn out to be the greatest story-tellers ever and they planned this all along.

[Dr_Hello]

Great thread! Great references!

[StarcloudSWG]

We certainly can hope that the Indoctrination Theory is correct. However, the *implications* of that, if it were deliberate, are highly unpleasant.

"Hi, you just bought an incomplete game. We're going to make you suffer for a few weeks while we write, record, and do the graphics for the actual ending. Aren't we clever? I'm sure you don't feel ripped off and enraged at all. Buy our next DLC!"

"We would rather believe that the ending is a dream than accept it in its current form." If you're getting that reaction from your intended audience, then it's VERY clear that the ending needs serious and heavy revision.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 27 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[Dr_Hello]

TurambarEA wrote...

Just read the google doc - the sheer volume of problems as highlighted by that doc can't be explained away by anything other than indoctrination theory. Conversely, indoctrination theory explains those problems/plot holes very well. Indoctrination theory = last hope. I hope Bioware turn out to be the greatest story-tellers ever and they planned this all along.

It is indeed the last hope to salvage the ending, otherwise we better hope BioWare has something better up their sleeve.

[StarcloudSWG]

Thank you. It's the result of a lot of searching of the forums during rather restless, sleepless nights.

[NinjaLadyHinata]

Fast forums are fast. Partially a shameless bump but also a thank you for compiling a list of critiques and articles, at least now I'll have some interesting reads for class tomorrow.

[Dr_Hello]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

We certainly can hope that the Indoctrination Theory is correct. However, the *implications* of that, if it were deliberate, are highly unpleasant.

"Hi, you just bought an incomplete game. We're going to make you suffer for a few weeks while we write, record, and do the graphics for the actual ending. Aren't we clever? I'm sure you don't feel ripped off and enraged at all. Buy our next DLC!"

If the indoc. theory turned out to be true, I wouldn't mind BioWare having 'tricked' its audience at all. This would be a first and never-been-done! A real indoctrinaton experience in-game extending into real world! That would also display ingenious writing and brave move by them. Now let's just hope that it is indeed true, otherwise... I've got no clue...

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 27 mars 2012 - 05:35 .

[StarcloudSWG]

You're quite welcome. I've seen scrolling this fast before, but it's usually associated with local chatting in an mmorpg.

[StarcloudSWG]

One more push to the top for the night, and one more request for links to threads and posts about the ending as good as those in the compilation.

[Ingu]

That's a lot of new reading. Thanks for the links!

[StarcloudSWG]

You're very welcome.

[StarcloudSWG]

Another thought, this time on the Bioware writing team, or how they came to write the ending that they did.

It's entirely possible that the writing team, specifically the writers who came up with that ending, are *too* deep into the story. They know too much about it, they're too heavily invested in the deepest themes.

Simply put, they wrote the ending for the story that they thought they were telling, not the story that the player experiences. It's a fundamental mismatch between the reader and the writer, and it's the main reason good writers also have good 'first readers'. What you write may be conveying entirely different meanings to most people than what you think you're writing.

This implies that the endings were indeed written in isolation, and that the writing team did not sit down at a review meeting to go over them. That they were scripted, recorded, and cinematics added with no one, no one at all, looking at how well the ending fit the game.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 27 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[StarcloudSWG]

*shoves it right back to the top for the morning crowd.*

[FyreSyder]

This thread needs to be seen by more people.

[Aroused]

Didn't see this one added:
social.bioware.com/social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10036548/1

What I'd define as a post-colonial take on the endings. 

** edited to include in link form to OP.

Modifié par Aroused, 27 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[BULLETWASTER]

I can't believe something could make me hate the endings more than I already do. How could Bioware do this!?

[MinatheBrat]

Thanks to the OP- many articles that I haven't seen before!

[StarcloudSWG]

Added a link. It points out something that is actually quite offensive about the ending.

[StarcloudSWG]

You're welcome, Mina. I've been collecting the good articles for a while now.

[StarcloudSWG]

Pushing it to the top so that more people can read all the links.

[Giguelingueling]

Thanks op, some good read in perspective

[Mercannis]

Angry Joe has made a few vids about ME 3, the best one i found  was the general overview review. He doesnt say a word for the first minute and its exactly what i went through.

[Codeka]

I support this thread

[bigbade]

Don't like posting my own threads, but I didn't actually write this:

http://social.biowar.../index/10608708

A friend of mine (art major for a couple years now) wrote it and I think it's a pretty good read on why the artistic integrity defense simply...doesn't work.

if you don't like it though no worries ;P