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[Paraleyes]

I wanted to voice my opinion here loud and clear as a
genuine and serious appeal to the creators of Mass Effect, from the original
visionary concept ideas of the story line and to all those responsible for
bringing such an incredible experience to the gaming industry. To those few
with any say so on whether or not this re-write to the ending takes place, I do
hope this is heard.

I'll start with my opinion of the ending. I thought it was beautiful! As a
spiritual person, I look at things from a much broader perspective in my own
pursuits of love, joy and ever greaterness thereafter. Ever since 1st I played
Mass Effect 1 and saw that the role I was playing was titled,
"Shepard" I had the highest hopes for the direction of the final
story line and ending sequences. While there were still twists and turns I
didn't expect, I was not let down in the slightest bit. This is an art
form that must be given more respect than it has been. There is more to life
than the physical dimension folks. Life does not end at the death of the physical
body.

It is through self expression that we as humans truly are
able to shine and to show our souls, or highest selves to the rest of us here. You,
the writers, the directors, the producers, the programmers, the artists, etc… You
all put your souls into this project. In doing so, you are sharing who you are
through this outlet. Your energy shines through and resonates within all the
gamers that immerse themselves into this co-created environment. Even though only
the tiniest fraction of them are even the slightest bit aware of this, it doesn’t
change how we all feel a piece of you, the creators as we play through the role
of the Sheppard.

Every artist gets criticized, but for whatever reason, it is
only this forum of the gaming industry that these creators get so ruthlessly
attacked as to the content of the story lines they have as the vision they are
intending to share to the world. Yet you do not see George Lucas rewriting The
Return of the Jedi to satisfy more fans. Okay, you can argue that the digital
versions have additional materials, but the story was all written , “A long
time ago…” You never saw Pablo Picasso go back and realign his paintings so
that they were “symmetrical ” either.

Creating artwork is about the author –the creator –the
artist –Not the viewers.  So what happens
if this rewrite occurs? Well let me tell you, it has already begun. The
creators are feeling an obligation to their fan’s need for a feasible ending according
to their simple minds. In doing so, all these people that put so much of
themselves into this project are already sacrificing their integrity, their own
joy, their own soul in an attempt to satisfy an element of any art project that
does NOT matter! What matters is YOU –the creator, the writer, the director,
the producer, the programmer… the artist!

I have other disappointments with this series, but the story
up until this point has not suffered. My disappointments are those of selling
out to EA -Sacrificing the budget for all those wonderful inter-character
dialogs for a lack-luster multiplayer system that is no more than a mere money
sucker of the true fans of the series, but that is a different discussion. Here’s
what will happen, EA will push to create an “alternate ending” but it will not
be free! It will come only as another way for them to make more money as a DLC.
..some sort of a scenario of Shepard “coming out unscathed from the other side”
in an attempt to satisfy those simple minded folks that can’t see beyond their
own physical bodies.

I only mentioned what I said in the previous paragraph as an
example to urge the original creators to hold true to what you originally envisioned
for your project from the beginning. This is who you are! This is being YOU!
This original idea.. that is where your joy was.. where all your excitement was
for this project. Holding true to your original story line is the only way to
retain the wonderfulness that you are as the creator. Be YOU! Shine your light
as you intended it! Let who you are.. what you have created.. TO BE! You don’t
need to sacrifice any more of who you are by even considering these changes. You
lose a piece of yourself every moment you doubt your original ideas –you own
ideals.

Set aside everything you have read about the ending
controversy and feel how you felt when you 1st wrote the ending –when
you 1st saw it play out in production.. Remember this feeling of joy
and pride as to who you are –or were in that moment.. That is what makes you, YOU!


..love

EDIT: ADDING TO MY PLEA TO BIOWARE TO HOLD TRUE TO THEIR OWN VISION!

I felt like I should elaborate on why I am urging BIOWARE NOT to change anything so that the simple minded folks can begin to grasp beyone a reality possible beyond their physical bodies. People are too oblivious to even comprehend what the ending is about.




So I just watched this on YouTube to see the visual differences. Apparently, by reading the
comments under this video, people honestly can't even comprehend the
differences between the choices and what happens in the end. All they see is a different color ending and they
can't even conceive the differences in the actual events that take place
-Even when it was clearly explained to them by "the boy" all before they make 1 of
the 3 choices.

People have no concept of anything beyond their own physical bodies. Why oh WHY should BIOWARE have to dumb down their own consciousness in order to satisfy a bunch of people that will only complain regardless of what is done?!


You get 3 choices, REFERENCING MARKED POINTS IN THE LINKED VIDEO:

1) 16:21 Kill the reapers, but it is only
temporary, because organics eventually create synthetics again which
rebel and eventually cause the restart of the chaos cycle(according to the game). TEMPORARY FIX! 

2) 10:40 Control the reapers, uggh.. .. .. for obvious reasons this is the furthest from appealing to me. There is no peace in one group controlling another. The possibility of Shepard being indoctrinated is besides the point here. The point is that "controlling" occurs; whether reapers, or whether Shepard. One is still controlling another. THAT IS NOT A HAPPY ENDING! THAT IS NOT PEACE! Unless you don't care about your grandchildren's grandchildren. . .?


3) 5:10 Synthesis. This is what I chose. In which all forms are united
rewriting the DNA code of all synthetics and all organics combining an
entirely new DNA code and then there is ever lasting peace. I thought it was
quite beautiful. And quite satisfying.


..if we could all just get along.. . .

And then the little bit that came up at 22:00... .. . So perfect and profound! 

Open your minds folks! 
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Modifié par Paraleyes, 24 mars 2012 - 11:18 .

[Praetor Knight]

So... what class did you play and what was your favorite weapon loadout and armor?

[The Smitchens]

So long as being whoever they want to be involves being who I want them to be then yeah. I agree.

[Sakaja]

This belongs in the Campaign and Story forums?

For what it's worth, you are in the minority 2%.  97-98% of players think otherwise (out of 65k votes so far).

social.bioware.com/633606/polls/

Modifié par Sakaja, 23 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[MakoTrevelyan]

The only way the endings are actually great the way they are is if they are actually in accordance with the indoctrination theories. If not, they are full of plot holes that don't make sense. Mass Effect has been a science fiction series, not a science fantasy series.

Put whatever you want in the ending, as long as it makes sense. There is nothing spiritual about the Normandy randomly running away from the fight and crashing on a random planet for no logical reason.

[JaegerBane]

I've never understood these crazy people who think that because they don't want something, no-one else should have it. Honestly, I can't begin to understand such arrogance.

[ftbscreamer]

@ OP
I don't think you have to worry, they wouldn't remove the current endings, most likely just add new ones, if that is what they are implying. So everyone will happy.

[Irx]

The only thing I like about ending is the music.

[Tazzmission]

ok i have a small requeast


can we please keep the endings and ending dlc to one particular thread?


id like to see something else being talked about for a change

[Shahadem]

It was being who they were which lead to the horrible ending in the first place.

The being who you are idea is also what made the last two apple press conferences such flops

Also please make sure to keep space magic out of the new ending as it was one the things which made the old ending so bad.

All of the other science fiction in the game is at least marginally believeable. The Crucible pushed the envelope too far.

Modifié par Shahadem, 24 mars 2012 - 07:23 .

[Paraleyes]

REFRESHING MY POINT: ADDING TO MY PLEA TO BIOWARE TO HOLD TRUE TO THEIR OWN VISION!

I felt like I should elaborate on why I am urging BIOWARE NOT to change anything so that the simple minded folks can begin to grasp beyone a reality possible beyond their physical bodies. People are too oblivious to even comprehend what the ending is about.




So I just watched this on YouTube to see the visual differences. Apparently, by reading the
comments under this video, people honestly can't even comprehend the
differences between the choices and what happens in the end. All they see is a different color ending and they
can't even conceive the differences in the actual events that take place
-Even when it was clearly explained to them by "the boy" all before they make 1 of
the 3 choices.

People have no concept of anything beyond their own physical bodies. Why oh WHY should BIOWARE have to dumb down their own consciousness in order to satisfy a bunch of people that will only complain regardless of what is done?!


You get 3 choices, REFERENCING MARKED POINTS IN THE LINKED VIDEO:

1) 16:21 Kill the reapers, but it is only
temporary, because organics eventually create synthetics again which
rebel and eventually cause the restart of the chaos cycle(according to the game). TEMPORARY FIX!

2) 10:40 Control the reapers, uggh.. .. .. for obvious reasons this is the furthest from appealing to me. There is no peace in one group controlling another. The possibility of Shepard being indoctrinated is besides the point here. The point is that "controlling" occurs; whether reapers, or whether Shepard. One is still controlling another. THAT IS NOT A HAPPY ENDING! THAT IS NOT PEACE! Unless you don't care about your grandchildren's grandchildren. . .?


3) 5:10 Synthesis. This is what I chose. In which all forms are united
rewriting the DNA code of all synthetics and all organics combining an
entirely new DNA code and then there is ever lasting peace. I thought it was
quite beautiful. And quite satisfying.


..if we could all just get along.. . .

And then the little bit that came up at 22:00... .. . So perfect and profound!

Open your minds folks!

[termokanden]

I didn't like the ending. That said, I do hope they won't actually change it. That would be pretty horrible. They could add some explanation about what's going on with the Normandy and make sense of the whole Shepard being alive situation though. That would be good.

Praetor Shepard wrote...

So... what class did you play and what was your favorite weapon loadout and armor?

Good point. A lot of story posts are somehow ending up in the wrong forum here.

[mattahraw]

OP: They're not "changing" the ending. They're keeping the ending they have and adding some closure and explanation.

[Malevolence65]

Paraleyes wrote...

"Please developers! Don't make most of the people who bought the game happy with the ending!"

[JaegerBane]

Paraleyes wrote...
Open your minds folks!

Its always ironic that the people who take it upon themselves to decide what others should and shouldn't have are always the same people who ask others to 'open their minds'. Perhaps it would be worth practicing what you preach and let the matter lie? At the end of the day, not everyone liked the ending. It shouldn't matter to you if they get an ending they prefer, since they're not taking anything out of the game to achieve it.

[Turtles_AWD]

Hold the line.

[Praetor Knight]

termokanden wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

So... what class did you play and what was your favorite weapon loadout and armor?

Good point. A lot of story posts are somehow ending up in the wrong forum here.

I think it's being done on purpose.
I think of Manuel on Eden Prime sometimes, when I read through them sometimes...


And to keep this gameplay related, I recommend Energy Drain as a nice Bonus Power for Adepts. It's especially very helpful against Kai Leng at Cerberus Headquarters.

[hatschipatschi]

@ Paraleyes
i agree with you that the 3 choices have indeed huge consequences and i also think that many people unerestimate these decisions..

BUT in any case the mass relays get destroyed and this destroys the glactic universe as we know it and the galactic fleet is stuck in the sol system (and will propably starve or kill eachother). all the effort to bring the galactic civilisations together is useless ! in the moment when shephard sacrifices himselfe the galaxy is scrwed and its simply no point in choosing one of this 3 options

in the end it would have been better to take earth back with some salarians and hanar and let the other races stay at home with their familys (in the final battle they are useless, no matter how you play mass effect, there will always be the same cutscenes and the war will always end the same way)

and that the normandy and your squad is lightyears away from you when it should be in battle is a huge plothole that really has to be fixed.

there are just scenes added, so why do you care?

[Zetrial]

Paraleyes wrote...

3) 5:10 Synthesis. This is what I chose. In which all forms are united
rewriting the DNA code of all synthetics and all organics combining an
entirely new DNA code and then there is ever lasting peace. I thought it was
quite beautiful. And quite satisfying.


..if we could all just get along.. . .

And then the little bit that came up at 22:00... .. . So perfect and profound!

Open your minds folks!

If you don't mind me asking what is your favourite food? Because you will no longer be able to enjoy said food as all organic and synthetic life has merged and are now complete carbon copies of each other.... unless it is dirt :/. Making everyone the same won't solve anything at all, what is to stop these new beings from creating synthetics to make their life easier whom will turn on them and wipe them out. It is inevitable after all, the guardian says so.

On top of that, having the same DNA won't create ever lasting peace, the Krogan devestated Tuchanka, the Drell nearly exterminated themselves on Rakhana and there are numerous other races that have exterminated themselves through war despite all being the same general DNA code.

I have opened my mind and thought plenty on each of the endings, weighing probable outcomes and possibilities from each, and still I haven't been fussed with any of them to be honest, I even seriously dislike the sole motivation for the Reapers, given how narrow they made their goal they could of vastly improved it by going along of lines of stopping any one civilization, organic or synthetic from reaching an apex where they would dominate or exterminate any others. Yet probably even better could of been that they merely hit a galactic reset button so we won't burn up all the resources and cause any kind of life to be unsustainable in the future, give the galaxy time to heal, rebuild and replenish what it can until the next advanced civilization comes along.

Anyhow I am happy you were able to enjoy it, I personally couldn't. If Bioware wishes to change, expand, explain or leave the endings as is, it is their decision. I know what I would like, but if they choose a direction I dislike I can't see myself continuing to be a paying customer. It's that simple, noone will continue to purchase and support something they no longer enjoy, whichever side that will end up being.

[Petrikles]

Wrong forum. Bye.

[Sigma2010]

These three optional endings are no endings at all. Let’s start with the renegade ending. You destroy the reapers and the mass relays as well. Killing Shepard and stranding the entire fleet in the Sol system, with earth as the only habitable world. Second ending, control the Reapers Shepard dies, relays destroyed, fleet stranded in Sol system, end result; war over resources. Synthesis ending everyone magically gets there DNA rewritten, relays are destroyed, fleet stranded in Sol system, end result; war over resources. The perfecting endings are multiple races and billions of survivors at war for food and resources? It’s ironic really, that Bioware would script a quote into Mass Effect 2 and actually create scenarios where in each ending the result is the same. The quote if you’re wondering was made by Thane aboard the Normandy.
"When all the world is overcharged with inhabitants, then the last remedy of all is war, which provideth for every man, by victory or death." Thane was quoting Thomas Hobbs. Simply put to many people, not enough resources. End result death and destruction. Doesn’t matter what your DNA code is rewritten to be.
All and all these endings aren’t perfect in the least. If anything they leave quite a few questions for me. One question I have is how did your squad mates end up on the Normandy crash landing on some remote world? The second, why is it that if you need the Geth and the Migrant Fleet to join forces. Why are you forced to choose between them and decide the extinction of an entire race. This isn’t a paragon decision or even a renegade decision. It’s just a pointless filler mission in the game. Isn’t this action the same as the one the Catalyst is using the Reapers for? Deciding the destruction of life in the galaxy? Also, why combine the paragon and renegade meter?
Anyway, I’m happy for those that feel these endings are satisfying. But for me they do very little to create any form of explaining or creating entertaining endings. I can’t honestly say that I would continue being a customer. It simply isn’t worth it to keep playing. I’m actually disappointed that I was so eager to buy the game.

[Amaranthy]

Nice, you call the rest simple minded yet you like the ending despite the big plotholes. Good for you.

[D.Shepard]

ftbscreamer wrote...

@ OP
I don't think you have to worry, they wouldn't remove the current endings, most likely just add new ones, if that is what they are implying. So everyone will happy.

That would be the best course of action.


Personally I encounter "moral issues" with any of the current ending,

Destroy: apparantly the wiser decision but you have to destroy Geth and EDI. They are not only worthy individuals (yes Geth can be considered individuals after Legion's actions) but they helped you in completing your mission. It's like betraying your own allies.

Synthesis: In my opinion this outcome violates the self-determination of countless individuals. It does not metter if this is the best choice, or of everyone get improved. You forcefully change the very nature of every life form.

Control: I cannot understand why many persons consider the "star-child" words as the utmost truth.
Do you coherce someone?
Yes, the Reapers. You enslave them,  turn them into your tools. But I see nothing "evil" in that.
They were the "ultimate evil" and now stripped of all her arrogant pride they are forced to obey to "Shepard's parameters".

I know what many say: Repear could try to indoctrinate Shepard etc... but I cannot see how can indoctrinate the very entity that determine their own existence. Beside if Shepard feels he/she is losing control he can order the Reapers to head toward some massive black hole or gamma ray burst and destroy them once for all.
(yes such phenomena would be powerful enough to destroy even a Reaper)

Btw I see control more ethically acceptable then synthesis... but it seems most are concerned with the "It happened before and it will happen again" a la BSG....

Just my two cents, though

EDIT: I forgot to mention that with the destruction of the releys Earth is doomed anyway, There is no way for our planet to sustain the thounsand/milion soldier who fought against the Reapers.
Yes Geth may help, if you don't destroy them, but the resources are too limited.

I don't like any of the endings...

Modifié par D.Shepard, 24 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[sweet-d]

I'm okay with changes as long as they don't make it into a Disney little mermaid ending (only a few people will know what i'm talking about). I'm fine with Shepards death I just want their to be more clarification about what happened after the game. Like where the hell did the normandy land, can i get more cgi of reaper ships getting blown up on the mega-cities of earth. I just want the endings to be more clarified o and I want an explanation of who the keepers are. By the way I chose the red/ destroy the reapers ending.

[AJanitor]

I highly suggest reading this article of you think the ending was of good quality:

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/