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[ShepardTheHopeful]

Oh thank god I just tried to explain my version of a theory to some of the indoctrination hopefuls I got trolled outta the forum lol. I originally thought of a theory that a lot of the questions against the indoctrination theory had to do with the fact that Shepard was different psychologically and physically from the synthetics in his own body and the cipher from the Protheans which was why indoctrination wouldn't work on Shepard nor had it prior to the events of 3 and beyond. Is it really such a far fetched theory? I just wanted to hear from those doubtful like myself instead of Indoctrinated fans.

[randal51]

I'm not a fan of the indoctrination theory, either. I think the main reason the theory was even started and continues to be explored is simply because many fans, subconsciously, cannot even fathom how Bioware could have given us such a plothole-filled ending. Their minds reject it and instead try to find deeper meaning in order to redeem Bioware in their eyes.

[Malanek]

In the poll in my sig, 84% of people believe it. The wording has become a little silly because we have had more information saying then endings will be expanded on, but the basic yes/no premise is still there.

Before we had that information around 80% of voters believed it. Having it go up as that extra information has come to light has surprised me because my own belief in it has gone down.

[rivqa]

I don't think it's what they intended, but if Bioware doesn't have any better ideas it might work for them to roll with it.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

 Seriously it's not that great a theory a ton of time and effort was indeed made to it but there's too many other factors to deem it the best theory ever and that Bioware should do it. Am I seriously alone in NOT wanting the indoctrination theory to be the new ending? 

While I do not think that it was what Bioware intended, they sure ha heck made it look that way.  But I would love for it to be true.  If Bioware had gone that way, then it would have been some of the best stuff I have ever seen in gaming period. 

You cannot blame so many people for believing in it though, it really is the only theory that makes this ending make any sense. 

Oh don't take it as bashing please it's not it's just there's NO chance of it being wrong with a lot of them I see it differently I see plenty of more logical reasonings for a lot of the plot holes is all I wanted to discuss those without hearing about how it was space magic and a reaper did it

[Dreogan]

Doesn't matter what I believe, I don't care about it since it's beside the point. We have a systematic failure of storytelling with this many people losing their suspension of disbelief over the ending. Indoctrination is one way to trick yourself into getting back into the story, but the fact remains that a good portion of the audience doesn't get that through the "straight path" of the narrative.

Even if indoctrination were intended, Bioware failed catastrophically in presenting it to the player.

[Zfelker]

Has anyone attempted to ask BW/EA if its true or not? I could understand being low key about responses but they would have to outright lie or deflect if asked directly. If they deflect I'm more likely to believe, however if they answer outright no then that is that.

[devSin]

I believe the ending is real. And it is bad.

[longtimecoming00]

Not a believer. For it to be true, then it means the development team must have mapped out the entire storyline progression for all three games back before the original Mass Effect was even in development.

[cachx]

Mac got away with it "lots of speculation from everybody" indeed.

[Sawtooth357]

I think it's just wishful thinking by people trying to explain an inadequate ending. Granted, it is very creative and well fleshed-out wishful thinking. I can't really fault people for trying to make a better ending out of what we received. But I do not buy the indoctrination theory.

[Naqey]

you know, if it would be true, it would reduce the games 3 endings to 2 (you get indoctrinated and the reapers win, or you dont get indoctrinated and we dont know **** what happens)
so this is the reason why I dont think its true.
and I dont really think bioware would do that without at some point rubbing your face into it, like:
SEE WHAT WE DID THERE, THAT WAS OUR PLAN ALL ALONG, LOOK HOW CLEVER WE WERE. (no offense bioware, I love your games! even me3! except for the ending of course)

[Apatche69]

Not on the bandwagon. Getting my money back for this game tomorrow. Enough is enough

[Dreogan]

Zfelker wrote...

Has anyone attempted to ask BW/EA if its true or not? I could understand being low key about responses but they would have to outright lie or deflect if asked directly. If they deflect I'm more likely to believe, however if they answer outright no then that is that.

That's the thing. It's a cheap parlor trick; failed art. If Bioware needs to go "mmm, maybe!" to explain their ending, they didn't state the plot clearly. This is at odds with every other part of the narrative; out of place, wrong, invalid.

Modifié par Dreogan, 23 mars 2012 - 02:28 .

[Nageth]

Naqey wrote...

you know, if it would be true, it would reduce the games 3 endings to 2 (you get indoctrinated and the reapers win, or you dont get indoctrinated and we dont know **** what happens)
so this is the reason why I dont think its true.
and I dont really think bioware would do that without at some point rubbing your face into it, like:
SEE WHAT WE DID THERE, THAT WAS OUR PLAN ALL ALONG, LOOK HOW CLEVER WE WERE. (no offense bioware, I love your games! even me3! except for the ending of course)

Worse than that, you also have to have the Shepard gasp for air ending. That limits it to a very very narrow set of players.

[Ender99]

I'm not buying it. I think they just royally jacked up the ending.

[Malanek]

Naqey wrote...

you know, if it would be true, it would reduce the games 3 endings to 2 (you get indoctrinated and the reapers win, or you dont get indoctrinated and we dont know **** what happens)
so this is the reason why I dont think its true.
and I dont really think bioware would do that without at some point rubbing your face into it, like:
SEE WHAT WE DID THERE, THAT WAS OUR PLAN ALL ALONG, LOOK HOW CLEVER WE WERE. (no offense bioware, I love your games! even me3! except for the ending of course)

It depends on how it was done. The indoctrination theory always stated that there was more to come so you don't know how many endings there would be.

[IronSabbath88]

Haters gon haaaaate.

[Balmung31]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

 Seriously it's not that great a theory a ton of time and effort was indeed made to it but there's too many other factors to deem it the best theory ever and that Bioware should do it. Am I seriously alone in NOT wanting the indoctrination theory to be the new ending? 

Honestly, if Bioware wanted to somehow redo the ending, I don't see any other way they could. 

But if Muzkya's statement is to be "believed", they're just going to "clarify" the endings as is. 

The only thing to do now is wait until April and hear what they're going to do. 

[EsterCloat]

I don't believe in indoctrination theory.

[Wattoes]

I really like the concept behind the indoctrination theory, but never believed it. If it were true, it would be just as bad as the initial endings.

It would have been awesome if they did that, then continued the story to conclusion. However leaving it there - especially with no large hints of it being true - would be just as poor writing/storytelling.

[orenjikitty]

Not on the bandwagon. I can accept the theory but right now it's only that: a theory. If it was one of the potential endings, I would be cool with it but at the same time, I probably won't be picking that ending.

As with cachx said, if Bioware runs with this thought, I'll be officially out.

[Yttrian]

It is almost certainly untrue, I do not believe it.

However the fact it explains so much and has so much circumstantial evidence is evidence in and of itself of how poor the ending is; both in terms of explaination, plotholes and conclusion of Shepard's story.

[Shanook]

I don't think it's what BioWare intended. I've got no illusions about that.

But I do think it's a very good escape route for them. It would allow people who didn't like the endings to have new ones while the people who did like the endings could keep them that way.

[Dreogan]

Malanek999 wrote...

Naqey wrote...

you know, if it would be true, it would reduce the games 3 endings to 2 (you get indoctrinated and the reapers win, or you dont get indoctrinated and we dont know **** what happens)
so this is the reason why I dont think its true.
and I dont really think bioware would do that without at some point rubbing your face into it, like:
SEE WHAT WE DID THERE, THAT WAS OUR PLAN ALL ALONG, LOOK HOW CLEVER WE WERE. (no offense bioware, I love your games! even me3! except for the ending of course)

It depends on how it was done. The indoctrination theory always stated that there was more to come so you don't know how many endings there would be.

Then until we see concrete proof that more is to come (from Bioware in April), then there isn't more. Indoctrination is irrelevant until this happens, and we are still left with a storytelling failure.

Modifié par Dreogan, 23 mars 2012 - 02:30 .