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[SilverBecker]

One of the most basic human responses when faced with something that doesn't make sense is to attempt to MAKE it make sense. Indoctrination Theory is a perfect example of this. The ending was bad writing, nothing more.

The simple answer is more often than not the correct one.

[Militarized]

I bought into at first, like 8 days ago? I'm no longer a "believer". I'll simply take it as a nice surprise.

[Aaleel]

It has almost as many holes as the given ending. Requires too many leaps for me.

Modifié par Aaleel, 23 mars 2012 - 02:30 .

[DrFrankenseuss]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

 Seriously it's not that great a theory a ton of time and effort was indeed made to it but there's too many other factors to deem it the best theory ever and that Bioware should do it. Am I seriously alone in NOT wanting the indoctrination theory to be the new ending? 

It's a foolish theory and Bioware will not implement it. I have no doubt in my mind that Bioware will not let the fans write the story for the writers.

[Sprinfoot]

Jtdrainz wrote...

I can't say I've ever really bought into it and always looked at it for what it was wishful fan fiction, But hey looking at the endings we were delivered...

I'm in the same boat and don't really care for it. It generally strikes me as being the same vein as those people who try to find secret messages from Nostradamus in the Bible.

[Coachdongwiffle]

I really don't like the theory.

[CheeseEnchilada]

It gives some semblance of hope over the possibly holocaust filled nightmare scenario that the ending provides. I don't believe in it, but I see why people choose it over taking the endings at face value.

[Mcjon01]

You know, I think I'd be even more pissed off if Bioware officially went with the indoctrination theory than if they left the ending exactly as it is right now and just told everybody to take it at face value.

Modifié par Mcjon01, 23 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[Strange Aeons]

I enjoyed reading about it because it was an interesting idea that I never considered while I was playing.

Still, I don't believe a word of it, and the more I hear it repeated the more it starts to sound like "9/11 was an inside job!" type thinking to me.

[cavs25]

randal51 wrote...

I'm not a fan of the indoctrination theory, either. I think the main reason the theory was even started and continues to be explored is simply because many fans, subconsciously, cannot even fathom how Bioware could have given us such a plothole-filled ending. Their minds reject it and instead try to find deeper meaning in order to redeem Bioware in their eyes.

I disagree, I like the the theory but I sure as hell know that Bioware didn't come up with it on purpose.
The truth is that the fans made that horrible ending seem genius.

[jarrettwold]

I'm not. We've been told that indoctrination theory isn't and wasn't part of the story. I also think it would be terrible storytelling.

Here's why:

If Shep's been indoctrinated or in the process of being indoctrinated the entire time, were any of the decisions mine?

"OH you've been mind controlled the entire time."

It contributes to the problem of choice that a lot of people keep saying they want. If you want an alternate ending, where your choices matter then you don't get to pick indoc theory. As it runs counter to the story, and the spirit of the game.

Modifié par jarrettwold, 23 mars 2012 - 02:33 .

[Lmaoboat]

Not on it, wish I was. Sweet, blissful denial.

[Nageth]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

It gives some semblance of hope over the possibly holocaust filled nightmare scenario that the ending provides. I don't believe in it, but I see why people choose it over taking the endings at face value.

Uh, the only way it would have any hope of not being a holocaust is if the entire game was a dream and Shepard wakes up on the asteroid just before the end of Arrival. They did destroy essentially every race's home planet.

[Senario]

Here here! I believe it just has too many plot holes of its own to be feasable. Prothean VI, Lore of Indoctrination saying that ppl who are indoctrinated turn to mush or at least their brains do.

I hope Bioware considers that not everybody thinks indoctrination is a good idea.

[Malanek]

Dreogan wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Naqey wrote...

you know, if it would be true, it would reduce the games 3 endings to 2 (you get indoctrinated and the reapers win, or you dont get indoctrinated and we dont know **** what happens)
so this is the reason why I dont think its true.
and I dont really think bioware would do that without at some point rubbing your face into it, like:
SEE WHAT WE DID THERE, THAT WAS OUR PLAN ALL ALONG, LOOK HOW CLEVER WE WERE. (no offense bioware, I love your games! even me3! except for the ending of course)

It depends on how it was done. The indoctrination theory always stated that there was more to come so you don't know how many endings there would be.

Then until we see concrete proof that more is to come (from Bioware in April), then there isn't more. Indoctrination is irrelevant until this happens, and we are still left with a storytelling failure.

No one (or at least very few) were claiming it was more than a theory. What I was saying here is that it does not reduce the number of endings.

[cavs25]

Aaleel wrote...

It has almost as many holes as the given ending. Requires too many leaps for me.

Other then the prothean VI not recognizing Shepard as indoctrinated what else is a plothole?  Can you explain?

[Dreogan]

Mcjon01 wrote...

You know, I think I'd be even more pissed off if Bioware officially went with the indoctrination theory than if they left the ending exactly as it is right now and just told everybody to take it at face value.

I wouldn't mind if they ended up using indoctrination, just as long as they could "sell" it to me. It needs to be better than the face-value interpretation. My only request of Bioware is to fix the ending, to allow me to get through it without shattering my suspension of disbelief. Their storytelling, as things stand, make this impossible for me to do.

[Naqey]

Malanek999 wrote...

Naqey wrote...

you know, if it would be true, it would reduce the games 3 endings to 2 (you get indoctrinated and the reapers win, or you dont get indoctrinated and we dont know **** what happens)
so this is the reason why I dont think its true.
and I dont really think bioware would do that without at some point rubbing your face into it, like:
SEE WHAT WE DID THERE, THAT WAS OUR PLAN ALL ALONG, LOOK HOW CLEVER WE WERE. (no offense bioware, I love your games! even me3! except for the ending of course)

It depends on how it was done. The indoctrination theory always stated that there was more to come so you don't know how many endings there would be.

thats even worse in my opinion. because then they would have had the intention to release an ending dlc all along and I dont know about you, but for me that would be wrong in soooooo many ways.

[deathscythe517]

It's something to fall back on if Bioware does jack all and nothing else to me. None of the theories account for that horrible Stargazer bullcrap and people who believe the indoctrination theory, ironically, behave like they're in a cult.

[SuperZombieChow]

I like the theory. It's almost certainly fan BS, but it's clever fan BS and I would love to see Bioware run with it when/if the ending is changed. Perhaps even make it so you can play the extended end as a Shepard who was indoctrinated, affecting the ending further.

[Jestina]

No, i'm not a bio-drone,  I just believe they wrote a really crappy, rushed ending.

Modifié par Jestina, 23 mars 2012 - 02:35 .

[lunaruaria]

I think the theory is not too bad. I guess it would depend on how they ended up rolling with it. I personally like the theory, I will be honest that it dose give me some comfort.
But I think I would be happier if they do come up with something different that ends the trilogy in an amazing final note.

[Taleroth]

Indoctrination theory proponents frighten me.

[Tyrzun]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

 Seriously it's not that great a theory a ton of time and effort was indeed made to it but there's too many other factors to deem it the best theory ever and that Bioware should do it. Am I seriously alone in NOT wanting the indoctrination theory to be the new ending? 

You are refusing the facts.  The IND ending says all the garbage you consider shouldn't be considered.  It's that simple.

Haribinger knocks your out 20 menters from the portal.
That is indispuatable and a fact.  

So, the logical thing is to start there.
You are knocked out in your full armor

You wake up wearing your "casual clothes" with a pistol with infinite ammo.

STOP, considering anthing else.  Do you think you can magically change clothes while knocked out?  No, no one else does as well.

So, it proves right there you are NOT awake.

The only way to wake up is tell Harbinger AKA star kid you don't believe his lies and you still want the Reapers destroyed.

Guess what happens if you do that?

You wake up right where you were knocked out back in your armor.

The ending is THAT simple.  Everything in between being knocked out and waking up is Harbinger trying to get you to indoctrinate yourself into believe what Bioware spend 3 games telling you NOT to do, believe you can control them.  Just like Saren, Benezia, the prothean AI, and finally TIM.

It's not a theory because it is logical and it has ZERO holes in it which makes it the right answer.

However, if you didn't mentally prepare your mind, by knowing you have enough EMS to "win" the war you don't wake up anyways.  Harbingers will is too strong.

This indoctrination Harbinger pulls isn't the slow kind as many make cases for, that's all theory.  This is the other kind that is described as instant.  It's Harbingers last ditch effort to stop you and DEFEAT the alliance by watching you betray them.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 23 mars 2012 - 03:08 .

[Heinzmann01]

Even though the theory presents valid arguments I can't help but hope that Bioware doesn't follow it. Just the thought of none of the ending having actually happened and now's the time to actually go and do it for real this time, makes the ending even worse than it already is. The indo theory really makes all your actions worthless.