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[dotupkid]

 I am not a fan of the indoc theory

[Dreogan]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

 Seriously it's not that great a theory a ton of time and effort was indeed made to it but there's too many other factors to deem it the best theory ever and that Bioware should do it. Am I seriously alone in NOT wanting the indoctrination theory to be the new ending? 

Same here, OP.  I get more irritated by IDT spam than I do by the Mass Effect Twitter page.

And you know what's worse than IDT spam (which is ridiculous)?  All the hateful spam directed at them because people feel they have the right to trash other's opinion on an already **** ending.  Wake up and smell the ashes: there's nothing to defend.  It's an open playing field for everyone, not just your opinion. 

I see people whine about how they are getting hated on for wanting happier endings or a change to the endings for clarity, but the same people go after one side or the other on a piece of bloody speculation.

That I think is more irritating than people voicing a harmless opinion.

My view is if you have an opinion, be prepared to defend it. If you support indoctrination, I will subvert the very foundation of your theory: its relevance.

[Malanek]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

No one (or at least very few) were claiming it was more than a theory. What I was saying here is that it does not reduce the number of endings.

I disagree. I find there is a growing population trying to pass it off as "fact". Not to say the whole following is, of course, but the amount of people attempting to pass it off as fact has been steadily increasing. The theory itself...for every really neat and interesting find it has an equally proposterous straw grab to desperatly plug a hole.

But it DOES have interesting ideas/finds. So as a theory it is functional. I'm not quite sure I'd say it's better than what we already have...but it's functional, and if people are finding hope/happiness from it I'm glad.

Just wish people would stop treating it as fact. Urgh.

Perhaps it is the language extremes that are the problem. You see I think it was really clever and that they were not preposterous straw grabs at all. Right at the start, before actually taking the time to think about it, I thought it was complete nonsense. Then after examining all the evidence I thought it was quite likely, it made a lot of sense. But I would never have said it was fact until we actually got something about it from bioware.

Now, I don't think that is what they intended but that is from Ray and Casey speaking outside the game. I suspect they may well have had it in the back of their minds but would just rather have left everything ambigious without even making up their own minds. Howvere I still think on the basis of evidence it (or some variation) makes a much stronger logical case than not having it. 

[sistersafetypin]

I'm not. In my opinion an article I read recently said it best, "When people are hoping for the ending to all have been a dream... Yeah, you have a problem"

[SimKoning]

I'm not saying I believe it, but it makes more sense than the current ending. I would rather the God child scene be deleted and give us an option that doesn't involve destroying the relays.

[cyrrant]

I believe it wasn't initially intended to be part of (this) set of endings, that it was previously proposed and scrapped, and that it makes a good escape hatch for Bioware if they plan on changing the endings like we're asking.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[royceclemens]

I don't believe the theory, as much as I'd like to. This is BioWare we're talking about. If it were true, someone would have leaked it by now.

Cindy Brady can do a better job of keeping a secret than BioWare can.

[WangGozinya]

I think the IDT makes the most sense with all the current plot holes. I'm sure there are plenty of other ideas that would fit in perfectly fine as well, including yours, This is only my opinion.

If/when Bioware decides to announce/release some DLC to fix this mess, anything more than what we have now will be an improvement, regardless of if it is IDT or not.

Modifié par WangGozinya, 23 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[jarrettwold]

DLClol wrote...

You can bash the theory and the people supporting it all you want there is evidence in the game and the other two that support it. 

There is a ton of "evidence" supporting that JFK's assassination was a conspiracy.  But, when you start digging down, it was almost certainly just a pissed off Oswald. 

Edit:
Actually, if you believe JFK's assassination was a conspiracy, chances are you believe indoc theory makes perfect sense.  

Modifié par jarrettwold, 23 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[ArkkAngel007]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

No one is personally attacking the theory here this is just for the skeptics like me who aren't convinced and are a bit sick of hearing it. All I'm asking for is evidence that can't be proven otherwise.

There isn't, which is why it's a theory.  Just like there is nothing beyond-all-proof that says otherwise.  That's the nature of speculation unfortunantly.

Look, I just feel you went about it the wrong way.  Instead of putting it down as just spam and idiocy, just state that you hate that it's being treated as a fact.

I get your point, and I agree that the spamming and religious attitude from quite a few people (not the majority though, most of them keep to themselves for the most part) is ridiculous and needs to be tuned back, but I think the execution of your post was lacking.

Just my perception.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 23 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[ShepardTheHopeful]

No I fully understand it I just have a different theory to the whole thing it's also mentioned has the same plot hole fills and counters the indoctrination theory. I tried to explain it only as a second viewpoint but a lot of indoctrination fans are not fond of different theories lol

[GreyhameBioware]

I don't buy it. It's a neat way to have a do-over without removing that section, but I certainly don't think it was the intention.

Plus I tend to view it as people think that the endings were so bad they'd prefer to just not have an ending at all.

[DrFrankenseuss]

Zix13 wrote...

It resolves all plotholes, thus it's the most viable way to fix the endings. People who say that it doesn't make sense in terms of content obviously don't understand it. Thinking bioware left out the ending is stupid though.

It creates a giant plothole. The ending doesn't even exist if IT is true. Overcoming indoctrination does not complete the story.

[Dreogan]

jarrettwold wrote...

DLClol wrote...

You can bash the theory and the people supporting it all you want there is evidence in the game and the other two that support it. 

There is a ton of "evidence" supporting that JFK's assassination was a conspiracy.  But, when you start digging down, it was almost certainly just a pissed off Oswald. 

And just like the JFK theorists, since we can't "prove" it didn't happen (unfair burden nonsense) then it did happen. 

[WizenSlinky0]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
So I guess I'm not on the bandwagon. But maybe because I support it in an objective fashion, I'm still just some delusional religious zealot.

Hardly. All interpretations of the ending are valid. The problem only comes in when people begin treating their interpretations as objective facts.

The indoctrination theory has grown this large mostly because the evidence finding and building of the theory has been crowd-sourced. People feel invested in the theory and probably want it to be true more than they should. Plus people are desperatly searching for anything that ISN'T the ending they got.

So it was bound to happen. The fact so much evidence was found is interesting and gives the theory the full four wheels as a functional theory. Do I believe the theory in its current form properly works as an ending? I don't, but many do, and that's fair.

But it's as much a theory as anything else until one of the following happens: Bioware clarifies, Bioware gives us an ending DLC, or the end of the universe comes about.

[Texhnolyze101]

The current endings are nothing but utter trash so the indoc theory is all i really have.

[JeffKaos]

I don't believe the indoc. theory for a second. It's the sort of thing a movie can get away with but certainly not a video game.

[shirobuta]

Grasping at straws.

[SamFlagg]

jarrettwold wrote...

DLClol wrote...

You can bash the theory and the people supporting it all you want there is evidence in the game and the other two that support it. 

There is a ton of "evidence" supporting that JFK's assassination was a conspiracy.  But, when you start digging down, it was almost certainly just a pissed off Oswald. 

*peers up from the grassy knoll*  Excellent.

Back to actual conversation....I think all I want the Indoc folks to do is prepare themselves for the possibility that a retcon happens instead of indoctrination, and make mental peace with the fact that that doesn't have to be a bad thing.  (And I mean an actual retcon, not one where we get a bunch of pasted in lines of dialogue that leave us with the same rainbow of 'choices' that destroy the relays and kill shepard no matter what that we have now)

[Spanky Magoo]

Its not that im on the "bandwagon" Im just not against Bioware going that route. However if they just added an "ef you, Star Kid" option, I would see that as equally cool. Any thing other that what we have now.

[Zardoc]

Swinns wrote...

I don't. It's just people reaching for strings and calling it a sweater.

Pretty much this. Not necessarily opposed to the idea, but not really my favourite either.

[Jadebaby]

I believe it a bit, not enough to say im on the bandwagon, but if they run with it, I wont be displeased.

[jarrettwold]

SamFlagg wrote...

*peers up from the grassy knoll*  Excellent.

Back to actual conversation....I think all I want the Indoc folks to do is prepare themselves for the possibility that a retcon happens instead of indoctrination, and make mental peace with the fact that that doesn't have to be a bad thing.

XD 
Yea, a retcon seems very, very likely.  

[Hudathan]

I'm not. I wouldn't hate the idea, I just don't think it's true.