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[Space Magic]

Right because its not like one generation fighting for the lives of future generations isn't a thing.  oh wait its totally a thing.

The current situation doesn't convey sacrifice on the part of the Quarian fleet, just the promise of a tedious, pointless decades-long journey.  Imagine if in the Lord of the Rings, Frodo had to swim to the Undying Lands because all boats were suddenly gone.  This does little to invite cool new stories, just add further uncertainty and confusion to a plotline that should have been closed one way or the other.

In any case, if all this destruction is just to guarantee that the galaxy is now "free" from relying on Reaper technology, what about the Thanix cannons?  And does using Prothean technology enslave one to the Protheans?  To me, it matters very little.

Modifié par Space Magic, 23 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[JasonTan87]

Vandalisme wrote...


Ide also like to add some proof that they didnt intend the Indoc theory stuff

http://i.imgur.com/B3lTt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VElWC.jpg 

That's  ****ing terrible narrative plotting.  There is absolutely no set-up for the crucible twist at the end.

 And his scribbles about the end show that he is either (1) a terrible writer and/or (2) rushed his ending so hard that it's nothing but than horrid mashup of the most popular science fiction endings of the decade.

[-Skorpious-]

ConradsLaces wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

JMA22TB wrote...

"You want proof!? There it is" Donnel Udina

"THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!" Donnel Udina

Honestly he is the last person that should have ever been made a diplomat, gets way to angery over just about anything.

"SEND IN YOUR FLEET!!!"

"HE'S NOT ALOWED TO SAY THAT! THAT'S NOT HIS DECISION!"

It's a shame he had to die - talk about a passionate person.
Vote Undina for DLC sqaudmember!
Think about the awesome combat dialog he would have.
I want.

Good lord, I laughed harder than I should have. 

[Reptilian Rob]

I need a hug...

[ConradsLaces]

-Skorpious- wrote...

ConradsLaces wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

JMA22TB wrote...

"You want proof!? There it is" Donnel Udina

"THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!" Donnel Udina

"SEND IN YOUR FLEET!!!"

"HE'S NOT ALOWED TO SAY THAT! THAT'S NOT HIS DECISION!"

It's a shame he had to die - talk about a passionate person.
Vote Undina for DLC sqaudmember!
Think about the awesome combat dialog he would have.
I want.

Good lord, I laughed harder than I should have. 

I'm still laughing. I would absolutely LOVE to see this - even if it's a mod.
Shooting at monsters... "DAMN IT SHEPARD! KILL THEM!"
Getting wounded... "This IS an OUTRAGE!!"
rofls all around

[Grasich]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I need a hug...

*hug*

...


*backstab*

...

Oh I thought we were re-enacting ME3, sorry.

[Reptilian Rob]

Grasich wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I need a hug...

*hug*

...


*backstab*

...

Oh I thought we were re-enacting ME3, sorry.

That's awful...lol

[ConradsLaces]

Grasich wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I need a hug...

*hug*

...


*backstab*

...

Oh I thought we were re-enacting ME3, sorry.

If this was re-enacting the ME3 ending, wouldn't you have to first ask him what color hug he wants?

[Darknessfalls23]

Galactic dark age, with either no Geth or EDI, Reapers flying around doing who knows what, or everyone skin and eyes growing green.

[Warrior Craess]

Madecologist wrote...

charon45 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

"Catalyst will create a galactic Dark Age"

I thought I couldn't be more dissatisfied with the ending...I was wrong.

I had always assumed that the relays being gone would end the ME universe we all knew.  This basically conforims it.  I don't think a lot of people got the implications of the relays getting destroyed, which led to all the FTLs are good enough and everyone will get home in a few months argument. 

Yeah, it is a massive set back.. and I mean massive. There was an FTL thread I posted in where I basically listed rough distances seen on the star map. There was two numbers thrown out by other posters, 200C (about 0.5 LY/Day) and 12 LY/Day as possible listed speeds (no concreate official source of what FTL speeds really were only these two hinted ones).

I tossed some calculations and it was pretty clear that even the closest former Council Race homeworld will be decades if not centuries (depending which speed you used) away from Earth. Add in the need of of Fuel (even if abundant from some Gas Giants) and the need to discharge drive cores at regular intervals. Many of these trips will be impossible.

Actually there is concrete proof of  the FTL speeds.  It's in one of the codexes. (I forget which game (1 -3) though) 12 LY a day.  Still takes roughly 5.8 years in a straight line to cross the length of the galaxy (which can't be done du to the core being unsurvivable.) if they are in FTL for the entire time. Which also can not be done, with out having enough static electricity to explode a star by the end. (not to mention crispy crittering the crew long before then).

[Madecologist]

Singu wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

To give an idea of scale, the Galaxy's diameter is 100 000 to 120 000 LY depending where you measure. To even put it more into perspective, that little cursor you use to select a system, is about 1500 to 2000 LY wide (definately 1000 LY the very least).

Even if you use the generous 12 LY/D speed, it is several months to half a year to just cross the distance that will just cover the cursor. Now consider how many 'cursor lengths' the Salarian and Turian homeworlds are at?

Space is HUGE, freakin HUGE. The distance from Earth to Pluto is like budging an inch with your hand when compared to interstellar distances. Pluto is 4 to 7 Light Hours from the Earth (probably around 5 with the normalised orbit it got in the ME universe), while the nearest star is 4.3 Light Years.

I still think that there's a potential to repopulate the galaxy with relays in 20-30 years from the moment you have the tech available.

What you would need is the speed of Normandy, maybe a bit more, on a conduit seeding ship. The moment it manages to make a conduit, you can resupply instantly with more Eezo and parts for a bigger relay capable of handling larger masses. The seed ship brings the conduit onwards as quickly as possible, and then you have a leap frog of relays laid out within a single generation - and still within a Salarian lifespan.

Similiar to the Galaxy map I have. I am still curious what the speed of the Normandy is. I have all the distances easily derived but I have conflicting information what the C or LY/D velocities of the Normandy was.

[Thorn Harvestar]

JasonTan87 wrote...

Vandalisme wrote...


Ide also like to add some proof that they didnt intend the Indoc theory stuff

http://i.imgur.com/B3lTt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VElWC.jpg 

That's  ****ing terrible narrative plotting.  There is absolutely no set-up for the crucible twist at the end.

 And his scribbles about the end show that he is either (1) a terrible writer and/or (2) rushed his ending so hard that it's nothing but than horrid mashup of the most popular science fiction endings of the decade.

Also, note how the Tension bar is maxxed at the end. There is zero resolution phase.

[Militarized]

JMA22TB wrote...

Singu wrote...

JMA22TB wrote...

Okay guys I have something that will blow the lid off this BS and prove that the app is not accurate

"A story like The Final Hours is only possible with an incredible amount of support,coooperation and trust from the game development team. Casey and I first started talking about a Final Hours story around Mass Effect in the Spring of 2011 and I began work on it during the summer of last year. Even though he was in the thick of finishing the game, he was generous with his time, as were many other team members at BioWare. They sat down for interviews, photos, and answered countless questions over e-mail."

The key part is the SUMMER of 2011! How can information from June/July 2011 be accurate as of March 2012?

The guy even says that on his web site, which is here:

http://www.me3finalhours.com/

Don't buy this BS it's outdated and Jessica Merizan denied its validity

"You want proof!? There it is" Donnel Udina

Thanks for making that post. We have to argue with the ammunition we've got, not the ammunition we could've gotten.

The Stargazer is a non-issue for me as well since the player themselves never get the sense that it's supposed to be 10.000 years into the future. Even thought it was in the inhouse production notes at some point, and still present in the code of the game.

Keep firing on Bioware with the stuff that's actually in the game though - and how they can make it better. April is not far away, and I'm positive that we'll get results.

Agreed.

It's so easy to shoot this crap down because of one thing:

The Gasp Scene. Shepard CLEARLY "dies" in all three "endings." He's vaporized in synthesis and control and is blown up along with the Citadel during destroy.

That rubble was concrete, which is only logically on Earth in London.

If that chart is to be believed there is no possibility for anything to happen after the Catalyst scene. That, of course, is not what happens with max EMS and choosing destroy.

Here's my explanation..

It's just a stupid Easter egg. Jessica tweeted a long time ago that someone (she probably talked to Walters maybe?) saw the Red ending as the "selfish" ending. If I'm recalling this all correctly... so they put a selfish self-centered easter egg in. 

It might not mean anything, they may have expected people to just go "cool! I'm alive!" 

[Reptilian Rob]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...

Vandalisme wrote...


Ide also like to add some proof that they didnt intend the Indoc theory stuff

http://i.imgur.com/B3lTt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VElWC.jpg 

That's  ****ing terrible narrative plotting.  There is absolutely no set-up for the crucible twist at the end.

 And his scribbles about the end show that he is either (1) a terrible writer and/or (2) rushed his ending so hard that it's nothing but than horrid mashup of the most popular science fiction endings of the decade.

Also, note how the Tension bar is maxxed at the end. There is zero resolution phase.

Probably goofed up on the app. 

I don't see them planning anything. 

[Madecologist]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Also, note how the Tension bar is maxxed at the end. There is zero resolution phase.

Shhhhh! I noticed that too... but I thought I would keep it to myself. It is depressing when that curve follows none of the traditional curves you see in any form of storytelling. Oh.. actually there is one.. this is close to the cliffhanger curve.

Modifié par Madecologist, 23 mars 2012 - 05:51 .

[Thorn Harvestar]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...

Vandalisme wrote...


Ide also like to add some proof that they didnt intend the Indoc theory stuff

http://i.imgur.com/B3lTt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VElWC.jpg 

That's  ****ing terrible narrative plotting.  There is absolutely no set-up for the crucible twist at the end.

 And his scribbles about the end show that he is either (1) a terrible writer and/or (2) rushed his ending so hard that it's nothing but than horrid mashup of the most popular science fiction endings of the decade.

Also, note how the Tension bar is maxxed at the end. There is zero resolution phase.

Probably goofed up on the app. 

I don't see them planning anything. 

Well that matches what we got: there is zero resolution after the climax of the crucible firing/Normany crashing.

[Grasich]

Militarized wrote...


Here's my explanation..

It's just a stupid Easter egg. Jessica tweeted a long time ago that someone (she probably talked to Walters maybe?) saw the Red ending as the "selfish" ending. If I'm recalling this all correctly... so they put a selfish self-centered easter egg in. 

It might not mean anything, they may have expected people to just go "cool! I'm alive!" 

Honestly... that wouldn't surprise me.

I think they were hoping everyone would just go "OH LOOK PRETTY COLORS!!!" and throw more money at them.

[JMA22TB]

An easter egg to me is like the button on Sur'Kesh with the feces analyzer or the Stargazer scene.

You don't tease the player base with the hero appearing alive after they clearly die for no reason. At least I hope not.

[charon45]

aslivewire wrote...

charon45 wrote...

Militarized wrote...


I don't mean to... you know... be the bearer of bad news but part of that Renaissance was only due to older philosophy and texts preserved by the Middle East being taken back to Europe after the initial Crusades(their only highlight, if you care to find one). 

FTL travel is not possible, ME1 states intergalactic travel is IMPOSSIBLE without the Mass Relays. 

The Stargazer epilogue just cements it guys.... I know a lot of people don't want to give up but 10k years in the future and they don't even have space ships yet... ME is dead, sorry. 

Putting the galactic dark age together with the 10,000 years later news suggests that the next ME game was to take place thousands of years after ME3 when all the aliens begin to rediscover each other.  This may or may not include a new planet of human/asari hybrids. 

Uh, sorry to break the bad news to you...but a planet of human/asari hybrids...is just an asari planet

Tell that to Bioware.  They are the people who put it into the notes.  

[biod_end002_600epilogue_loc_int.end004_finale_v_d.end004_finale_v_dlg]

1: We see a child, maybe they look a little bit asari, a little bit
human. They are looking at the stars on a planet some 10,000 years after
the events of the game.
2: There is an older male here as well, the child looks to the "grandfather" and asks...

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Space Magic wrote...

Right because its not like one generation fighting for the lives of future generations isn't a thing.  oh wait its totally a thing.

The current situation doesn't convey sacrifice on the part of the Quarian fleet, just the promise of a tedious, pointless decades-long journey.  Imagine if in the Lord of the Rings, Frodo had to swim to the Undying Lands because all boats were suddenly gone.  This does little to invite cool new stories, just add further uncertainty and confusion to a plotline that should have been closed one way or the other.

In any case, if all this destruction is just to guarantee that the galaxy is now "free" from relying on Reaper technology, what about the Thanix cannons?  And does using Prothean technology enslave one to the Protheans?  To me, it matters very little.

The fact that the normandy was effected by the blast, being partially constructed out of reaper tech, kind of answers your own question now, doesnt it?

[Grasich]

charon45 wrote...


Tell that to Bioware.  They are the people who put it into the notes.  

[biod_end002_600epilogue_loc_int.end004_finale_v_d.end004_finale_v_dlg]

1: We see a child, maybe they look a little bit asari, a little bit
human. They are looking at the stars on a planet some 10,000 years after
the events of the game.
2: There is an older male here as well, the child looks to the "grandfather" and asks...

I just died a little inside.

Or rather... a lot.

[Thorn Harvestar]

Grasich wrote...

charon45 wrote...


Tell that to Bioware.  They are the people who put it into the notes.  

[biod_end002_600epilogue_loc_int.end004_finale_v_d.end004_finale_v_dlg]

1: We see a child, maybe they look a little bit asari, a little bit
human. They are looking at the stars on a planet some 10,000 years after
the events of the game.
2: There is an older male here as well, the child looks to the "grandfather" and asks...

I just died a little inside.

Or rather... a lot.

I think they may just be missing an "or" in there... A lot of the notes in that file are abridged

[Grasich]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Grasich wrote...

charon45 wrote...


Tell that to Bioware.  They are the people who put it into the notes.  

[biod_end002_600epilogue_loc_int.end004_finale_v_d.end004_finale_v_dlg]

1: We see a child, maybe they look a little bit asari, a little bit
human. They are looking at the stars on a planet some 10,000 years after
the events of the game.
2: There is an older male here as well, the child looks to the "grandfather" and asks...

I just died a little inside.

Or rather... a lot.

I think they may just be missing an "or" in there... A lot of the notes in that file are abridged

I certainly hope so.

Lore deviation in a game where the lore is SO DAMN GOOD, like ME... just makes me very sad.

[Militarized]

Madecologist wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Also, note how the Tension bar is maxxed at the end. There is zero resolution phase.

Shhhhh! I noticed that too... but I thought I would keep it to myself. It is depressing when that curve follows none of the traditional curves you see in any form of storytelling. Oh.. actually there is one.. this is close to the cliffhanger curve.

I'm not a writer, or rather I don't use story boards to write out my research papers... what are you referring to? Are we missing something or did they fail at basic story-board arcs taught in writing 101? 

[Grasich]

Militarized wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Also, note how the Tension bar is maxxed at the end. There is zero resolution phase.

Shhhhh! I noticed that too... but I thought I would keep it to myself. It is depressing when that curve follows none of the traditional curves you see in any form of storytelling. Oh.. actually there is one.. this is close to the cliffhanger curve.

I'm not a writer, or rather I don't use story boards to write out my research papers... what are you referring to? Are we missing something or did they fail at basic story-board arcs taught in writing 101? 

Here's a quick example of what it should look like: