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[RDSFirebane]

This thread made me sad.

[aMytallica]

Well that's just... completely miserable. Hadn't enough been lost throughout the story already?!

Hey Bioware, if this galactic dark age has to happen, can Shepard and Kaidan at least be together? I can only take so much misery. Cheers.

[MisterP146]

An article about how the Mass Effect writing team did not have much input with the ending. It's an interesting read.

http://geek.pikimal....t-name-release/

[hector7rau]

Oh but the cycle was broken!, doesn't matter that we destroyed everything an everyone we fought for, because, you know, a pedo grandpa and a child will be able to look at the stars and dream about other galactic civilizations in a ****load of years. Like we give a ****.
I would rather get raped by a reaper as an ending than this.

Modifié par hector7rau, 23 mars 2012 - 04:17 .

[CGramn]

Terrible, terrible storytelling.

Pain and suffering was prevalent, and balanced with important choices that bore weight throughout the game to lessen it. This is why when it seems as if things are going to go to hell, you "Shep" up and fight. You want to believe that the end is going to be rewarding.

The only thing this "bittersweet" (hold the sweet?) ending does is basically tell you that you're an idiot for ever thinking this Galactic conflict could be resolved in any way aside from what the Reapers want you to do.

I think the worst part of all this is how Bioware seems to believe that their ending is clever and smart.

It's not clever. It's really not... and I think the reaction of "some of their more passionate fans" is proof of how poor their understanding of their own community is. It makes it difficult to read these things, because while the passion is there, and I believe they wanted to do better, it just comes off as arrogance now.

[KingG528]

Dranks wrote...

Spent over 200 hours and around 150 bucks on 3 games so I could do the enemy's job for them at the very end.

Why bother making the series in the first place.

[Almostfaceman]

Look, no offense to you Bioware folks, you're nice people, but... just wow. Crap this is making me re-live my first experience of the ending again.

Bioware, the ending to ME3 is.. I can't even say it it's to rude to get away with.

[LegatoSkyheart]

Galactic Dark Age.
So Yeah you screwed up the Universe, Good Job everyone.

Also No mention of Tali on that Relationship Chart (heck no mention of Quarian or Geth)....ouch.

Modifié par LegatoSkyheart, 23 mars 2012 - 04:17 .

[Ozai75]

Enjoy it while it lasts. This is copywritten info and it's going to get taken down *again* Guys, I understand we're all upset, but don't post this sort of thing. It ticks the Mods off and makes us look bad.

[Militarized]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

I don't see a problem with a dark age.

They don't need to destroy the Relays to have a dark age, though. The Council is GONE, the galactic government is GONE, the economy will be a wreck wherever there isn't a volus, so ya, dark age. Destroying the relays and dumping everyone in Sol, it is the kind of tragedy that doesn't leave a satisfying ending. If Earth blew up to stop the Reapers and humans are left without a homeworld, that is the kind of tragedy that can still have a satisfying end.

Dark age can still work...

Really? You're talking about a period of history where they put animals on trial to decide whether the animal killed it's owner because it had murderous intent or whether the owner had tried to molest/rape it so the beast was acting in self defense. And yes they did attempt to prove this by fondeling the animal... they also had trials for animals attempting to rape people, and condemned the animal to death because it tried to cop a feel with someone. 

That's one of the more comical(and serious) ones, there are a litany of ass backwards things going on at that time period that I don't even want to imagine going through.

This is the time period the writers wanted Mass Effect to go back to. 

That's great, THAT'S AMAZING. 

[dointime85]

I would really like to see some kind of director's commentary on the endings in which they explain what they were thinking, which "symbolz" they had in mind and how all of that reflected Shepard's essence.

All of this is totally beyond my grasp...

[Daerog]

Almostfaceman wrote...

I can't either, and I really, really, REALLY don't like the idea of prequels. I'm going to start calling it the George Lucas Disease.

The only prequel I'd like to see from BioWare is a Jade Empire prequel. The beginning of the empire with the first emperor.

Anyway, after all this, I might as well just stick with reading books. Maybe the Choose your own adventure books will make a come back

[Dreogan]

Militarized wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

I don't see a problem with a dark age.

They don't need to destroy the Relays to have a dark age, though. The Council is GONE, the galactic government is GONE, the economy will be a wreck wherever there isn't a volus, so ya, dark age. Destroying the relays and dumping everyone in Sol, it is the kind of tragedy that doesn't leave a satisfying ending. If Earth blew up to stop the Reapers and humans are left without a homeworld, that is the kind of tragedy that can still have a satisfying end.

Dark age can still work...

Really? You're talking about a period of history where they put animals on trial to decide whether the animal killed it's owner because it had murderous intent or whether the owner had tried to molest/rape it so the beast was acting in self defense. And yes they did attempt to prove this by fondeling the animal... they also had trials for animals attempting to rape people, and condemned the animal to death because it tried to cop a feel with someone. 

That's one of the more comical(and serious) ones, there are a litany of ass backwards things going on at that time period that I don't even want to imagine going through.

This is the time period the writers wanted Mass Effect to go back to. 

That's great, THAT'S AMAZING. 

To be fair, I don't think they're literally meaning "dark age" as in ca 1000 AD. They mean "relays are destroyed, no more galaxy-hopping." It makes perfect sense, especially when you consider the many hints throughout the series that by using the Reaper tech, we are subservient to their plans.

Modifié par Dreogan, 23 mars 2012 - 04:20 .

[tamperous]

GAH AHAHHAHAHHAHHAH

DONT WE HAVE ENOUGH FAMINE, WAR AND DESOLATION IN THE REAL WORLD??????????????????????????????


I don"t need a heroic in game avatar to create in fiction what i can experience in real life.

[LilaNoir]

I'm just as disappointed in the ending as everyone else (maybe not everyone; there are some who actually liked the ending. No fault there), but I'm not sure if I'm too keen about having the ending changed in order to appease the angry mob. As a writer, Mac Walters should just own up to it. He wrote a bad ending (a terribly rushed and half-assed one at that) and probably murdered one of the best games/stories ever. No pressure there.

By the way, I was really surprised at how recently they wrapped up ME3. I believe it was just in December that they finished it. I wonder what happened. EA (we love to blame EA for everything, huh? Those corporate vultures!)? Financial issues? I can only imagine how insane their offices must be these days.

Oh well.

[Wygrath]

Vandalisme wrote...

Wygrath wrote...

How exactly does that disprove the indoctrination "theory"? It doesn't. In the text that is the meat and potatoes of that app it states that in the end of the game they had a sequence where the player loses complete control of Shepard. It was cut because they had issues with the dialogue.

They were trying to find a way to convey to the player that the Reapers were pouring it on old Shep and his indoctrination was being kicked into high gear.

There's absolutely nothing in those shots that negates Shepard being indoctrinated. One of the developer's even has a quote in the book part of that app talking about how no other being has been exposed to Reapers and Reaper tech than Shepard.

Did you even read the book part of the app?

"And even in november the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddendly lose control of shepards movements and fall under full Reaper control.(this sequence was ultimatly dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices)." 

That one? I interpereted that as the sequence where the the reapers could take control over you through the illusive man for the duration of that scene only

Nothing supports that. Nothing. You're being obtuse and all you lot seem to care about is bunching up into torch and pitch fork mode.

You also failed to point out anything in that pic that disproves indoctrination while trying to downplay and discredit the concrete quote that supports indoctrination.

I'm done with you people. This is all insane. The ending just needed to be fleshed out a bit more and you guys are in full mob mentality mode and are intentionally circumnavigating any and all logic and facts that don't support your posse's excuse to cry for Bioware to burn.

I was put off by the fact that there was no epilogue to the game. It just stops. The ending was good and if they had done a better job of solidifying in the players mind that Shep was being indoctrinated there wouldn't be so much blind rage.

You keep on trying to add fuel to the fire though and ignore anything that contradicts you. I've seen you post those links in a few threads too. It still doesn't prove a damn thing.

I'm done here. No good can come of any of this. I want to say that I'll see you guys after the DLC to discuss stuff but I haven't enjoyed my time on the social network before this fiasco and all of this certainly isn't making me want to return here.

Good day.

[Daerog]

Militarized wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

I don't see a problem with a dark age.

They don't need to destroy the Relays to have a dark age, though. The Council is GONE, the galactic government is GONE, the economy will be a wreck wherever there isn't a volus, so ya, dark age. Destroying the relays and dumping everyone in Sol, it is the kind of tragedy that doesn't leave a satisfying ending. If Earth blew up to stop the Reapers and humans are left without a homeworld, that is the kind of tragedy that can still have a satisfying end.

Dark age can still work...

Really? You're talking about a period of history where they put animals on trial to decide whether the animal killed it's owner because it had murderous intent or whether the owner had tried to molest/rape it so the beast was acting in self defense. And yes they did attempt to prove this by fondeling the animal... they also had trials for animals attempting to rape people, and condemned the animal to death because it tried to cop a feel with someone. 

That's one of the more comical(and serious) ones, there are a litany of ass backwards things going on at that time period that I don't even want to imagine going through.

This is the time period the writers wanted Mass Effect to go back to. 

That's great, THAT'S AMAZING. 

Okay... that's THE Dark Age (for Europe, anyway). There is a difference between A dark age and THE Dark Age. Just because it is a dark age, doesn't mean everyone goes to stupidville, only the usual people go there whether it is a dark age or not.

Besides the Dark Age in Europe was very interesting, go watch the History Channel on it, a lot of positive things happened during that time as well.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

"Catalyst will create a galactic Dark Age"

I thought I couldn't be more dissatisfied with the ending...I was wrong.

[NHK]

Dranks wrote...

Spent over 200 hours and around 150 bucks on 3 games so I could do the enemy's job for them at the very end.

QFT. I thought the idea was to try and avoid extinguishing galactic civlization, not ensure it.

[iTofu]

This is probably not a fair representation of the creative process, but looking at the notes after seeing the execution of the ending...

Modifié par iTofu, 30 mars 2012 - 02:25 .

[Windariah]

Does anyone else find it odd that the action/tension bar is still rising in the final scene?

[Romaka]

That is truely appalling.  The fact is that no matter what the ending of the game was it would have been bittersweet with the deaths of millions/billions along with friends.  But to just do this?  How is it anything but depressing, bad and most of all make any sense at all?

[Militarized]

Dreogan wrote...

To be fair, I don't think they're literally meaning "dark age" as in ca 1000 AD. They mean "relays are destroyed, no more galaxy-hopping." It makes perfect sense, especially when you consider the many hints throughout the series that by using the Reaper tech, we are subservient to their plans.

There are better words to describe that, honestly. Everyone understands what "dark age" means, it is a common term we learn in elemantry school about a specific time period of total and utter assbackwardness. That's my unscholarly way of putting it at this moment anyway lol. 

The problem I have with that idea with the Reaper tech... is that it's stupid. 1st world countries, while HIGHLY more advanced then 3rd world countries, are not totally subservient(depending on your conspiracy theory view and etc) to 1st world countries because they borrow or adapt technology discovered in the 1st world to their use. It simply improves/enriches their lives, technology is not bad for technologies sake. The only reason the Relays are bad is because they are DESIGNED to be a trap by the Reapers... without the Reapers they are not a trap, we could build our own Relays eventually and open up more of the galaxy and not be part of their plan but nnnnooo... now it's a dark age. 

[pattywagon]

Let met get this straight, people at Bioware have said saved your Mass Effect 3 save files, and that they want to expand the universe past Shepard's trilogy. Then they make a weapon that sends the galaxy into a dark age...

The lack of the logic on how to expand a universe beyond the trilogy is staggering. Unless they mean prequels, or spin-offs before the events in Mass Effect 3 take place, but otherwise, it's impossible to call a game mass effect if they are mass effect relays! Unless the destruction of the mass relays and the new dark ages of the galaxy eventually leads into the age of Dragon Age. Maybe the Reaper's husks eventually morphed into the Blight.

[Almostfaceman]

MisterP146 wrote...

An article about how the Mass Effect writing team did not have much input with the ending. It's an interesting read.

http://geek.pikimal....t-name-release/

Huh, it looks like Weekes probably did write that stuff. Interesting.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 23 mars 2012 - 04:26 .