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[Warrior Craess]

Adanu wrote...

Honestly, it couldn't have gone any other way without feeling like dealing with the Reapers was a massive cop out. Trivializing the Reapers would have been far worse.

Did you read any of the spectre reports? There is one stating that the war is sooo massive and damaging that the Council (arguably the richest government entity ever) could only afford to pay for the war for 1 year max. And it gets worse, By the End nearly Every inhabited star system was under reaper attack.  So along with the millions or billions of dead for the war, even if you win you now have the oh soo easy (thats sarcasm btw) of rebuilding an economy. Not to mention avoiding disease and famine over the next several years, due to Everyonese infrastructure being toast. 

Yeah thats trivializing the effect of the reapers.  (sarcasm again)

[Shanook]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Yes, Mac Walters deliberately spent all of his eight years working on the Mass Effect franchise secretly planning to release an ending that destroys all of your hopes and dreams for the future, and this one screen capture of a scan of a note with scribbles on it is proof that he's the leader of the Illuminati who are deliberately trying to ruin your fun.

/sarcasm off

Put the crackpipe down son.

Thank you. Look, people, I'm not happy about the endings either, but this finger-pointing has got to stop.

[Militarized]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Seriously, my rage and betrayal meter is off the charts right now.

If you look outside you'll see a mushroom cloud. That's me. 

YOU BROKE THE CYCLE, CONGRATULATIONS! 

[LegatoSkyheart]

Scoob wrote...

http://geek.pikimal....t-name-release/

More people need to read this!

This just makes holding the line and calling Bioware out on one of the worst endings you could do to a triliogy all the more worth it if they decide to change the ending.

I still want closure, I still want that Joker part cut out, I still want to fight Harbinger, etc.

[tamperous]

This conclusively proves that Hudson's inspiring and uplifting line from his PR release is not his original intent.

Hopefully this indicates Hudson understands and changed his mind... but given the direction the team took. I doubt it.

Perhaps in Dragon Age 3 we can go around rounding up all the non-human races into camps to purify the land. We can chase the elf children into killing fields with machetes. That can be uplifting and inspiring too.

Modifié par tamperous, 23 mars 2012 - 04:51 .

[jspiess]

Lots of speculation for everyone

[Grasich]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Well, I can be optimistic here. Sure, it hurts, but his words also show me that Bioware HAS writers who know how they could have made the ending great, and I am hopeful that they LISTEN to these people more when they decide how to address the ending with this upcoming DLC.

Totally OT, but I REALLY like your avatar.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Adanu wrote...

Honestly, it couldn't have gone any other way without feeling like dealing with the Reapers was a massive cop out. Trivializing the Reapers would have been far worse.

The best thing they could ever do to trivialize the reapers was to put a force behind them. Make them pawns of a ****** moronic genocidal star child.

[Cooptimo]

For me, it's fine that Shepard died and the relays were destroyed. Both, if handled right could have been fine story elements. Find a way to delay the relay explosions until the fleets can get home, explain that this will be a different kind of explosion than the one in arrival. But none of that was done. Oh, and rather than establishing the relay destruction earlier in the game so we know it's really required, the only character in the story who tells us these things are required is an AI who is using the form of a child that it murdered.

That and the nonsensical part with the Normandy going away for no apparent reason.

Unless indoc is right, but the real life actions at BW seem to rule it out.

[Singu]

Militarized wrote...

Singu wrote...

Waaaait a minute. The Prothean VI, Vengeance, never said anything about a 'galactic dark age' in the dialogue at TiM's base. We're making a lot of noise about something that Bioware decided not to put into the game.

I would say it's still open, and that the in-production notes are not conclusive.

I believe the evidence is already mounted against them. The Star Gazer is 10k years in the future... they don't have space flight, he obviously talks about it as if it's some mythological legend they have of "The Shepard" and his grandsons idea of traveling the stars is far fetched. 

The scribble notes fit pretty perfectly with the ending so... ya. 

I am at least hopeful that they can still salvage this game without having to rewrite a lot of it. There is very little sense of inevitable doom in the game. The dream sequenses and the "you won't be alone for long" line on Thane's deathbed are among the few that you couldn't dodge with the dialogue wheel.

The ending(s) suck, that's pretty much established. But fortunately they made it so open that we might see a quality salvage of it in the end.

And please people, focus the attention towards Bioware and not our fellow forumers. I respect the quality work that's behind indoctrination theory(theories). And I would still say that from what we've got to go on in the game, there's no way to debunc it. Production notes that never made it to the game are not valid argumentation. We can't be fighting each others - our critisism is towards Bioware. Not other players who left the game with a different enterpretation to what it meant for them.

Peace out.

Modifié par Singu, 23 mars 2012 - 04:58 .

[Thorn Harvestar]

Grasich wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Well, I can be optimistic here. Sure, it hurts, but his words also show me that Bioware HAS writers who know how they could have made the ending great, and I am hopeful that they LISTEN to these people more when they decide how to address the ending with this upcoming DLC.

Totally OT, but I REALLY like your avatar.

((thanks; found it on a tumblr somewhere:


))

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Grasich wrote...

"Crucible will cause Galactic Dark age"
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And they were OK with that? IN EVERY ENDING? Seriously?

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Think about this though:  What happens after a Dark Age?  Rennaisance.  


also think about this: they still have FTL travel, which means they can move at BETTER than light speed, so galactic travel is still possible just that its a much larger trip.  Also think about this: so far in the future, the krogans can develop into a peaceful race, the vorcha evolve into an actually interesting race, the quarians into a nudist society on thier home planet.

And then they invent NEW mass relays


also seriously, I like the ending, i just wish there was more to it.

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 23 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Grasich]

Singu wrote...

I am at least hopeful that they can still salage this game without having to rewrite a lot of it. There is very little sense of inevitable doom in the game. The dream sequenses and the "you won't be alone for long" line on Thane's deathbed are among the few that you couldn't dodge with the dialogue wheel.

The ending(s) suck, that's pretty much established. But fortunately they made it so open that we might see a quality salvage of it in the end.

And please people, focus the attention towards Bioware and not our fellow forumers. I respect the quality work that's behind indoctrination theory(theories). And I would still say that from what we've got to go on in the game, there's no way to debunc it. Production notes that never made it to the game are not valid argumentation. We can't be fighting each others - our critisism is towards Bioware. Not other players who left the game with a different enterpretation to what it meant for them.

Peace out.

QFT

[Cooptimo]

Think about this though:  What happens after a Dark Age?  Rennaisance.  


also think about this: they still have FTL travel, which means they can move at BETTER than light speed, so galactic travel is still possible just that its a much larger trip.  Also think about this: so far in the future, the krogans can develop into a peaceful race, the vorcha into an interesting race, the quarians into a nudist society on thier home planet.

And then they invent NEW mass relays

That would have been a great way to address the issues behind relay destruction,  but they didn't do that did they?

[charon45]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

"Catalyst will create a galactic Dark Age"

I thought I couldn't be more dissatisfied with the ending...I was wrong.

I had always assumed that the relays being gone would end the ME universe we all knew.  This basically conforims it.  I don't think a lot of people got the implications of the relays getting destroyed, which led to all the FTLs are good enough and everyone will get home in a few months argument. 

[Reth Shepherd]

Grasich wrote...

"Crucible will cause Galactic Dark age"
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And they were OK with that? IN EVERY ENDING? Seriously?

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If true, the only words capable of describing how furious I am would get me perma-banned. And seeing as I am trying to campaign to get the ending FIXED, that won't do. Seriously though, REALLY?! FRICKING REALLY?!

[nevar00]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Grasich wrote...

"Crucible will cause Galactic Dark age"
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And they were OK with that? IN EVERY ENDING? Seriously?

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Think about this though:  What happens after a Dark Age?  Rennaisance.  


also think about this: they still have FTL travel, which means they can move at BETTER than light speed, so galactic travel is still possible just that its a much larger trip.  Also think about this: so far in the future, the krogans can develop into a peaceful race, the vorcha into an interesting race, the quarians into a nudist society on thier home planet.

And then they invent NEW mass relays

No... it's still impossible.

Someone did the math here and iirc the longest it would take to get from... I believe it was Earth using FTL would be 30 years.

[TheRisenStar]

This came out something like 2 weeks ago. Thread got locked and the forums got shut down for a bit.  Indoc. Theory was DOA when that happened.  This is clearly what they were going for.

I guess more people missed that than I thought.

Modifié par TheRisenStar, 23 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Cody211282]

Militarized wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Seriously, my rage and betrayal meter is off the charts right now.

If you look outside you'll see a mushroom cloud. That's me. 

YOU BROKE THE CYCLE, CONGRATULATIONS! 

Remember this is what Mordin, Thane, Legion, and Shepard Died to give you!

[Soaringeagle78]

Hold the line

[Hairrorist]

stormhit13 wrote...

seek37 wrote...

Brave New World... they werent even original on the drawing board... anger...

It's not likely that he meant the book. In no small part because the book doesn't have much of anything to do with the content of ME.

He was probably just using it as a phrase referring to the sense they were going for at the end that the universe had been reset.

I'm pretty sure he meant the book.  I was confused by this at first and then I realized he was talking about how he wanted the end to "feel."  See, Brave New World ends on an abrupt and somewhat tragic note - it leaves some things vague, but the story is tied up.  You're left with things to ponder (lots of speculation!) but you don't feel like you're missing anything.  It's a good ending, it was well executed, and fit with the themes of that story.  So I get what Mac was going for and all but the thing is - Mass Effect is not about dystopian society, nor is it a novel, nor was this ending executed on the same level as Huxley's - so this should probably not have been attempted.  Just my opinion though.

[Grasich]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...


Think about this though:  What happens after a Dark Age?  Rennaisance.  


also think about this: they still have FTL travel, which means they can move at BETTER than light speed, so galactic travel is still possible just that its a much larger trip.  Also think about this: so far in the future, the krogans can develop into a peaceful race, the vorcha into an interesting race, the quarians into a nudist society on thier home planet.

And then they invent NEW mass relays

FTL travel is still possible, but even with that it takes a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time to travel between clusters, assuming they can even hold enough fuel to do so.

My biggest issue with this though... is I really just can't say I care about what the galaxy will be like in thousands of years. At least not enough to evoke an emotional response. I care about what it will be like for the next 100 or so. Which is pretty damn bleak.

((Also thanks for the pic Thorn! ))

[-Skorpious-]

I kinda hope the "fake" letter is true. It means that the endings CAN be salvaged if the project lead encourages peer review instead of isolation in any potential DLC.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 23 mars 2012 - 05:02 .

[Militarized]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Grasich wrote...

"Crucible will cause Galactic Dark age"
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...
...

And they were OK with that? IN EVERY ENDING? Seriously?

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Think about this though:  What happens after a Dark Age?  Rennaisance.  


also think about this: they still have FTL travel, which means they can move at BETTER than light speed, so galactic travel is still possible just that its a much larger trip.  Also think about this: so far in the future, the krogans can develop into a peaceful race, the vorcha evolve into an actually interesting race, the quarians into a nudist society on thier home planet.

And then they invent NEW mass relays


also seriously, I like the ending, i just wish there was more to it.

I don't mean to... you know... be the bearer of bad news but part of that Renaissance was only due to older philosophy and texts preserved by the Middle East being taken back to Europe after the initial Crusades(their only highlight, if you care to find one). The very nature of the tone "dark ages" implies that the technology is lost/forgotten... assbackwardsness to be blunt. 

FTL travel is not possible for intergalactic travel, ME1 states intergalactic travel is IMPOSSIBLE without the Mass Relays. 

The Stargazer epilogue just cements it guys.... I know a lot of people don't want to give up but 10k years in the future and they don't even have space ships yet... ME is dead, sorry. 

Modifié par Militarized, 23 mars 2012 - 05:04 .