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[Doctor_Jackstraw]

nevar00 wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Grasich wrote...

"Crucible will cause Galactic Dark age"
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And they were OK with that? IN EVERY ENDING? Seriously?

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Think about this though:  What happens after a Dark Age?  Rennaisance.  


also think about this: they still have FTL travel, which means they can move at BETTER than light speed, so galactic travel is still possible just that its a much larger trip.  Also think about this: so far in the future, the krogans can develop into a peaceful race, the vorcha into an interesting race, the quarians into a nudist society on thier home planet.

And then they invent NEW mass relays

No... it's still impossible.

Someone did the math here and iirc the longest it would take to get from... I believe it was Earth using FTL would be 30 years.

Oh man too bad 30 years is a long time i dont think quarians will live that long.

oh wait they will love that long.  okay good.

Cody211282 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Seriously, my rage and betrayal meter is off the charts right now.

If you look outside you'll see a mushroom cloud. That's me. 

YOU BROKE THE CYCLE, CONGRATULATIONS! 

Remember this is what Mordin, Thane, Legion, and Shepard Died to give you!

Well I mean they also died to save us from:



and




so...yeah.  i'm okay with that tradeoff.

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 23 mars 2012 - 05:05 .

[Grasich]

Militarized wrote...

I don't mean to... you know... be the bearer of bad news but part of that Renaissance was only due to older philosophy and texts preserved by the Middle East being taken back to Europe after the initial Crusades(their only highlight, if you care to find one). 

FTL travel is not possible, ME1 states intergalactic travel is IMPOSSIBLE without the Mass Relays. 

The Stargazer epilogue just cements it guys.... I know a lot of people don't want to give up but 10k years in the future and they don't even have space ships yet... ME is dead, sorry. 

*sobs* I just wanted blue babies!!!

Maybe they can just add a dialogue when Liara talks about leaving and going somewhere far away, instead of saying "There's nowhere I'd rather be." we can just say "**** this, let's leave!" END OF ME3!!!

[tamperous]

This just confirms I'm finished with these creators, they are so tone deaf to their own creation. They are obviously so high on themselves they couldn't care less about their IP, the universe they created let alone their fans.

Instead they have an egotistical artistic pretentiousness, a need to not let their fictional creation get bigger than themselves.

I've come to the conclusion the Casey Hudson of KotOR is not the Casey Hudson working there today.

Modifié par tamperous, 23 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Yes, Mac Walters deliberately spent all of his eight years working on the Mass Effect franchise secretly planning to release an ending that destroys all of your hopes and dreams for the future, and this one screen capture of a scan of a note with scribbles on it is proof that he's the leader of the Illuminati who are deliberately trying to ruin your fun.

/sarcasm off

Put the crackpipe down son.

Except that I didn't say any such thing.  I said Mac Walters is the players' worst enemy within Bioware, and he is.

Or is cutting content from a video game for being "too video-gamey" a totally great thing and completely redeemable act?

Modifié par The_Crazy_Hand, 23 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[Militarized]

I don't think you got my reference lol. The picture I posted is art from the period layman refer to as "The Dark Ages"

That is what happens AFTER you break the cycle, not before.

[Madecologist]

charon45 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

"Catalyst will create a galactic Dark Age"

I thought I couldn't be more dissatisfied with the ending...I was wrong.

I had always assumed that the relays being gone would end the ME universe we all knew.  This basically conforims it.  I don't think a lot of people got the implications of the relays getting destroyed, which led to all the FTLs are good enough and everyone will get home in a few months argument. 

Yeah, it is a massive set back.. and I mean massive. There was an FTL thread I posted in where I basically listed rough distances seen on the star map. There was two numbers thrown out by other posters, 200C (about 0.5 LY/Day) and 12 LY/Day as possible listed speeds (no concreate official source of what FTL speeds really were only these two hinted ones).

I tossed some calculations and it was pretty clear that even the closest former Council Race homeworld will be decades if not centuries (depending which speed you used) away from Earth. Add in the need of of Fuel (even if abundant from some Gas Giants) and the need to discharge drive cores at regular intervals. Many of these trips will be impossible.

[Singu]

Militarized wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Grasich wrote...

"Crucible will cause Galactic Dark age"
...
...
...

And they were OK with that? IN EVERY ENDING? Seriously?

...

Think about this though:  What happens after a Dark Age?  Rennaisance.  


also think about this: they still have FTL travel, which means they can move at BETTER than light speed, so galactic travel is still possible just that its a much larger trip.  Also think about this: so far in the future, the krogans can develop into a peaceful race, the vorcha evolve into an actually interesting race, the quarians into a nudist society on thier home planet.

And then they invent NEW mass relays


also seriously, I like the ending, i just wish there was more to it.

I don't mean to... you know... be the bearer of bad news but part of that Renaissance was only due to older philosophy and texts preserved by the Middle East being taken back to Europe after the initial Crusades(their only highlight, if you care to find one). 

FTL travel is not possible, ME1 states intergalactic travel is IMPOSSIBLE without the Mass Relays. 

The Stargazer epilogue just cements it guys.... I know a lot of people don't want to give up but 10k years in the future and they don't even have space ships yet... ME is dead, sorry. 

And still you gate in from a relay. Boot up the engine on Normandy, and jump from star system to star system. Several light years - within a limited time frame. FTL is possible, the infrastructure to refuel is not though. The Protheans managed to make the conduit...

If you can make a functional supply chain of Eezo refueling stations and core dump depots. AND keep up the retro engineering of what we know about the relays themselves, there's infinte potential for a positive future.

I don't think it's a positive and uplifting one, but at least it doesn't have to be the doom and gloom that others wants it to be.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

You forget that the normandy can travel from earth to past pluto in a couple minutes.

FTL travel is still a thing that they can do and have done, its how the alliance was able to explore thier own system.

Mass Effect Relays let you travel beyond traditional FTL and reach other systems in a matter of minutes rather than years and decades.


its not as bad as we're making it out to be, but it does result in a divorce of most/all species and disintegration of galactic government.

but the relays were invented by some species that developed far enough to create technology like that. the reapers have just been culling species before they reach that point. eventually relays will be created again, or some other technology similar in function. Its not like the starchild said "also it will destroy all Element Zero in the galaxy"

[charon45]

Militarized wrote...


I don't mean to... you know... be the bearer of bad news but part of that Renaissance was only due to older philosophy and texts preserved by the Middle East being taken back to Europe after the initial Crusades(their only highlight, if you care to find one). 

FTL travel is not possible, ME1 states intergalactic travel is IMPOSSIBLE without the Mass Relays. 

The Stargazer epilogue just cements it guys.... I know a lot of people don't want to give up but 10k years in the future and they don't even have space ships yet... ME is dead, sorry. 

Putting the galactic dark age together with the 10,000 years later news suggests that the next ME game was to take place thousands of years after ME3 when all the aliens begin to rediscover each other.  This may or may not include a new planet of human/asari hybrids. 

[TonViper]

Militarized wrote...


FTL travel is not possible for intergalactic travel, ME1 states intergalactic travel is IMPOSSIBLE without the Mass Relays. 

I think you mean intragalactic travel. And yes, it is impossible over extended distances due to the need for discharging the drive core every so often. If you reach a stretch of space where there aren't any suitable planets, you risk becoming stranded because the ship can't be discharged. It's bad enough if you don't have maps of the area, since you have no way of knowing if you'll have a suitable planet in range when you need to discharge, and if you miscalculate, you're stuck.

They specifically note in the codex that reapers are special because they seemingly have no need to discharge or refuel. That's also why they could make the trip from darkspace without relays.

[Cody211282]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Grasich wrote...

"Crucible will cause Galactic Dark age"
...
...
...

And they were OK with that? IN EVERY ENDING? Seriously?

...

Think about this though:  What happens after a Dark Age?  Rennaisance.  


also think about this: they still have FTL travel, which means they can move at BETTER than light speed, so galactic travel is still possible just that its a much larger trip.  Also think about this: so far in the future, the krogans can develop into a peaceful race, the vorcha into an interesting race, the quarians into a nudist society on thier home planet.

And then they invent NEW mass relays

No... it's still impossible.

Someone did the math here and iirc the longest it would take to get from... I believe it was Earth using FTL would be 30 years.

Oh man too bad 30 years is a long time i dont think quarians will live that long.

oh wait they will love that long.  okay good.

Cody211282 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Seriously, my rage and betrayal meter is off the charts right now.

If you look outside you'll see a mushroom cloud. That's me. 

YOU BROKE THE CYCLE, CONGRATULATIONS! 

Remember this is what Mordin, Thane, Legion, and Shepard Died to give you!

Well I mean they also died to save us from:



and




so...yeah.  i'm okay with that tradeoff.

I'm not destorying the relays mean that huge ass fleet I took to earth is stuck and gets to starve to death.

Ya fun times for all.

[cutegigi]

Grasich wrote...

"Crucible will cause Galactic Dark age"
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...
...

And they were OK with that? IN EVERY ENDING? Seriously?

...

um... let me guess.... so that the planet where normandy crashed can be the new setting for Dragon Age 3 ?? 
all hail Warden Shephards !!

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Militarized wrote...

I don't think you got my reference lol. The picture I posted is art from the period layman refer to as "The Dark Ages"

That is what happens AFTER you break the cycle, not before.

no i got what you said, but then i said "after that happens society develops into a new society"

[Militarized]

Singu wrote...

And still you gate in from a relay. Boot up the engine on Normandy, and jump from star system to star system. Several light years - within a limited time frame. FTL is possible, the infrastructure to refuel is not though. The Protheans managed to make the conduit...

If you can make a functional supply chain of Eezo refueling stations and core dump depots. AND keep up the retro engineering of what we know about the relays themselves, there's infinte potential for a positive future.

I don't think it's a positive and uplifting one, but at least it doesn't have to be the doom and gloom that others wants it to be.

Believe me I don't WANT it to be doom and gloom. If it were me, I would have written it so the Relays survive based on your EMS score and a number of other endings/variables for people to enjoy. 

The actual writers, however, did not . We'll see in April I suppose but... I've lost a lot of hope/faith. 

[Grasich]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

You forget that the normandy can travel from earth to past pluto in a couple minutes.

FTL travel is still a thing that they can do and have done, its how the alliance was able to explore thier own system.

Mass Effect Relays let you travel beyond traditional FTL and reach other systems in a matter of minutes rather than years and decades.


its not as bad as we're making it out to be, but it does result in a divorce of most/all species and disintegration of galactic government.

but the relays were invented by some species that developed far enough to create technology like that. the reapers have just been culling species before they reach that point. eventually relays will be created again, or some other technology similar in function. Its not like the starchild said "also it will destroy all Element Zero in the galaxy"

I'm not trying to insult you here or anything, but you may want to do a little research on relative distances in a galaxy. Earth to pluto isn't even a noticable fraction of the distance from one end of a cluster to the other, which isn't even a tiny fraction of the distance from one cluster to another.

[jspiess]

Grasich wrote...

Militarized wrote...

I don't mean to... you know... be the bearer of bad news but part of that Renaissance was only due to older philosophy and texts preserved by the Middle East being taken back to Europe after the initial Crusades(their only highlight, if you care to find one). 

FTL travel is not possible, ME1 states intergalactic travel is IMPOSSIBLE without the Mass Relays. 

The Stargazer epilogue just cements it guys.... I know a lot of people don't want to give up but 10k years in the future and they don't even have space ships yet... ME is dead, sorry. 

*sobs* I just wanted blue babies!!!

Maybe they can just add a dialogue when Liara talks about leaving and going somewhere far away, instead of saying "There's nowhere I'd rather be." we can just say "**** this, let's leave!" END OF ME3!!!

This x100

[Abreu Road]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Grasich wrote...

"Crucible will cause Galactic Dark age"
...
...
...

And they were OK with that? IN EVERY ENDING? Seriously?

...

Think about this though:  What happens after a Dark Age?  Rennaisance.  

Also, starvation and a return to barbarism.

You know, I alwhays thought that Bioware could go an Escape From Los Angeles kind of ending, but what they did was ridiculous.

I kind of agree with you. In a way, it's not a bad ending. Problem is that it's the only ending and a culmination of everything you did, chose and experienced during 5 years and 3 games. Every choice you had in this journey culminates into releasing supernovas around the galaxy, or in the best case scenario, people dying on starvation and a barbaric society who could not live without technology.

Not everyone see something like that as a good thing. Yeah, eventualy rennaisance would come. But everyone you knew, loved or liked in the series would be dead until it happens.

Dark Age could be a good ending for someone who did terrible choices. Synthesis could be a middle ground choice. But we still don't have a good choice. We still don't have a choice for a Shepard who did everything right, or at least tried to do the right thing, for a Shepard who gave Tali and the Quarians their homeworld back and live to go back to it.

Modifié par Abreu Road, 23 mars 2012 - 05:16 .

[DxWill103]

I honestly don't mind the galactic dark ages thing. It makes you realized that sacrifices are mandatory when defeating something as powerful as the Reapers. Ending a cycle that has been in place for millions of years doesn't come about without reverberating consequences.

Still, I would have liked to have all the other stuff people are asking for. Less questions left unanswered, more than 1 ending, choices mattering, etc.

[JMA22TB]

Okay guys I have something that will blow the lid off this BS and prove that the app is not accurate

"A story like The Final Hours is only possible with an incredible amount of support,coooperation and trust from the game development team. Casey and I first started talking about a Final Hours story around Mass Effect in the Spring of 2011 and I began work on it during the summer of last year. Even though he was in the thick of finishing the game, he was generous with his time, as were many other team members at BioWare. They sat down for interviews, photos, and answered countless questions over e-mail."

The key part is the SUMMER of 2011! How can information from June/July 2011 be accurate as of March 2012?

The guy even says that on his web site, which is here:

http://www.me3finalhours.com/

Don't buy this BS it's outdated and Jessica Merizan denied its validity

"You want proof!? There it is" Donnel Udina

Modifié par JMA22TB, 23 mars 2012 - 05:17 .

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Grasich wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

You forget that the normandy can travel from earth to past pluto in a couple minutes.

FTL travel is still a thing that they can do and have done, its how the alliance was able to explore thier own system.

Mass Effect Relays let you travel beyond traditional FTL and reach other systems in a matter of minutes rather than years and decades.


its not as bad as we're making it out to be, but it does result in a divorce of most/all species and disintegration of galactic government.

but the relays were invented by some species that developed far enough to create technology like that. the reapers have just been culling species before they reach that point. eventually relays will be created again, or some other technology similar in function. Its not like the starchild said "also it will destroy all Element Zero in the galaxy"

I'm not trying to insult you here or anything, but you may want to do a little research on relative distances in a galaxy. Earth to pluto isn't even a noticable fraction of the distance from one end of a cluster to the other, which isn't even a tiny fraction of the distance from one cluster to another.

Right but I think you misunderstood my point.  I was talking about the fact that a form of FTL technology exists without mass relays, which means that the possibility to advance FTL tech is still a galactic possibility.  It just means convenient, instantaneous travel is no longer viable.

There ARE star charts, its just that say, for the quarian fleet to return home, they'd embark on an intergalactic pilgrimage that could take several generations.

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 23 mars 2012 - 05:16 .

[Grasich]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...


Right but I think you misunderstood my point.  I was talking about the fact that a form of FTL technology exists without mass relays, which means that the possibility to advance FTL tech is still a galactic possibility.  It just means convenient, instantaneous travel is no longer viable.

There ARE star charts, its just that say, for the quarian fleet to return home, they'd embark on an intergalactic pilgrimage that could take several generations.

Ok, my apologies I misunderstood.

Still, it would be a veeery long time before things were set right again, and that just doesn't work for me.

[Grasich]

JMA22TB wrote...

Okay guys I have something that will blow the lid off this BS and prove that the app is not accurate

"A story like The Final Hours is only possible with an incredible amount of support,coooperation and trust from the game development team. Casey and I first started talking about a Final Hours story around Mass Effect in the Spring of 2011 and I began work on it during the summer of last year. Even though he was in the thick of finishing the game, he was generous with his time, as were many other team members at BioWare. They sat down for interviews, photos, and answered countless questions over e-mail."

The key part is the SUMMER of 2011! How can information from June/July 2011 be accurate as of March 2012?

The guy even says that on his web site, which is here:

http://www.me3finalhours.com/

Don't buy this BS it's outdated and Jessica Merizan denied its validity

"You want proof!? There it is" Donnel Udina

Now... I would agree.... except that everything that's on there... happens... exactly like it is on there...

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Abreu Road wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Grasich wrote...

"Crucible will cause Galactic Dark age"
...
...
...

And they were OK with that? IN EVERY ENDING? Seriously?

...

Think about this though:  What happens after a Dark Age?  Rennaisance.  

Also, starvation and a return to barbarism.

You know, I alwhays thought that Bioware could go an Escape From Los Angeles kind of ending, but what they did was ridiculous.

I kind of agree with you. In a way, it's not a bad ending. Problem is that it's the only ending and a culmination of everything you did, chose and experienced during 5 years and 3 games. Every choice you had in this journey culminates into releasing supernovas around the galaxy, or in the best case scenario, people dying on starvation and a barbaric society who could not live without technology.

Not everyone see something like that as a good thing. Yeah, eventualy rennaisance would come. But everyone you knew, loved or liked in the series would be dead until it happens.

Dark Age could be a good ending for someone who did terrible choices. Synthesis could be a middle ground choice. But we still don't have a good choice. We still don't have a choice for a Shepard who did everything right, or at least tried to do the right thing, for a Shepard who gave Tali and the Quarians their homeworld back and live to go back to it.

You're being too abrupt.  It just means civilizations regresses back to pre-relay society, which if you read up on human space development int the universe, is still more advanced than we are today.  they had space ships before discovering the relays.

It just means the ties that bind these societies are gone, we no longer develop along the paths the reapers have laid out for us, we now have our own choice of evolution.

Grasich wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...


Right
but I think you misunderstood my point.  I was talking about the fact
that a form of FTL technology exists without mass relays, which means
that the possibility to advance FTL tech is still a galactic
possibility.  It just means convenient, instantaneous travel is no
longer viable.

There ARE star charts, its just that say, for the
quarian fleet to return home, they'd embark on an intergalactic
pilgrimage that could take several generations.

Ok, my apologies I misunderstood.

Still, it would be a veeery long time before things were set right again, and that just doesn't work for me.

some things are worth waiting for 

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 23 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[Space Magic]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

You forget that the normandy can travel from earth to past pluto in a couple minutes.

FTL travel is still a thing that they can do and have done, its how the alliance was able to explore thier own system.

Mass Effect Relays let you travel beyond traditional FTL and reach other systems in a matter of minutes rather than years and decades.


its not as bad as we're making it out to be, but it does result in a divorce of most/all species and disintegration of galactic government.

but the relays were invented by some species that developed far enough to create technology like that. the reapers have just been culling species before they reach that point. eventually relays will be created again, or some other technology similar in function. Its not like the starchild said "also it will destroy all Element Zero in the galaxy"

I'm not trying to insult you here or anything, but you may want to do a little research on relative distances in a galaxy. Earth to pluto isn't even a noticable fraction of the distance from one end of a cluster to the other, which isn't even a tiny fraction of the distance from one cluster to another.

Right but I think you misunderstood my point.  I was talking about the fact that a form of FTL technology exists without mass relays, which means that the possibility to advance FTL tech is still a galactic possibility.  It just means convenient, instantaneous travel is no longer viable.

There ARE star charts, its just that say, for the quarian fleet to return home, they'd embark on an intergalactic pilgrimage that could take several generations.

Meaning that the so-recently won Quarian homeworld will be inaccessible to the generation that fought the battle for it.  Kind of anticlimactic and pointless, in my opinion.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Space Magic wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

You forget that the normandy can travel from earth to past pluto in a couple minutes.

FTL travel is still a thing that they can do and have done, its how the alliance was able to explore thier own system.

Mass Effect Relays let you travel beyond traditional FTL and reach other systems in a matter of minutes rather than years and decades.


its not as bad as we're making it out to be, but it does result in a divorce of most/all species and disintegration of galactic government.

but the relays were invented by some species that developed far enough to create technology like that. the reapers have just been culling species before they reach that point. eventually relays will be created again, or some other technology similar in function. Its not like the starchild said "also it will destroy all Element Zero in the galaxy"

I'm not trying to insult you here or anything, but you may want to do a little research on relative distances in a galaxy. Earth to pluto isn't even a noticable fraction of the distance from one end of a cluster to the other, which isn't even a tiny fraction of the distance from one cluster to another.

Right but I think you misunderstood my point.  I was talking about the fact that a form of FTL technology exists without mass relays, which means that the possibility to advance FTL tech is still a galactic possibility.  It just means convenient, instantaneous travel is no longer viable.

There ARE star charts, its just that say, for the quarian fleet to return home, they'd embark on an intergalactic pilgrimage that could take several generations.

Meaning that the so-recently won Quarian homeworld will be inaccessible to the generation that fought the battle for it.  Kind of anticlimactic and pointless, in my opinion.

Right because its not like one generation fighting for the lives of future generations isn't a thing.  oh wait its totally a thing.