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[glitter_guld]

Technically, the DLC is wonderful and well worth the money, ... but character-wise Tallis... I didn't like her. I didn't read any spoilers before playing. I expected a cool and capable thief girl with some nice quest, light, bright and crazy. One could fall in love with. Instead, for some reason, towards mid-plot, I  became so uninterested in helping her. The dialogue options were trying really hard to point me towards helping her with all those hearts and paragon options. But why would I do that? Why would I go to an Orlesian castle and kill 1000 people there to protect the names of Qun spies?? It didn't feel like saving lives or doing anything cool. How working for Qun interests suppose to produce affinity towards Tallis? After the jail, I needed Just one phrase - "Please, I don't need any of your jewels or your help, or you being around. Just go away, please"...

I am not looking forward to meet Tallis again. Hope she will leave a long happy life.

[caradoc2000]

Did you watch Dragon Age: Redemption by the way?

[cJohnOne]

I liked Redemption. Is that the web series? Why did you ask her that?

[thats1evildude]

You were hardly alone in not liking Tallis, but you were allowed to ditch her mid-way. And at least some of the people on that list were no longer spies for the qunari, so you did save some innocent lives.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 23 mars 2012 - 01:42 .

[caradoc2000]

cJohnOne wrote...

I liked Redemption. Is that the web series?

Yes.

Why did you ask her that?

Because it adds depth to Tallis' character. I'm curious to know whether the OP has that opinion with or without having seen Redemption.

[glitter_guld]

No, sorry, I didn't watch it yet. I should have. My opinion was without watching. I'll do that, caradoc. Thanks for suggesting. Maybe it will turn around my perception of Tallis.

[caradoc2000]

glitter_guld wrote...

Maybe it will turn around my perception of Tallis.

I am not suggesting it will do that, but at least it adds background to her character.

[Augustei]

I hated Tallis, was upset I couldn't kill her in the end and get worried when I see Hawke has written in his diary "I dont think thats the last I will see of her" Because I wish it was lol. I watched Redemption, didn't like it

[Kavatica]

glitter_guld wrote...

But why would I do that? Why would I go to an Orlesian castle and kill 1000 people there to protect the names of Qun spies?? It didn't feel like saving lives or doing anything cool. How working for Qun interests suppose to produce affinity towards Tallis? 

It's okay that you don't like Tallis as a character, but I think you are wrong on a few points here. First of all, you don't kill 1000 people. Tallis actually asks that you don't kill people, and this is why you are given the option to sneak through the castle, and why she gets happy when you don't kill the noble who tries to steal your wivern kill. She takes no joy in killing. In fact, when you choose the option to not sneak and instead attack, she gets quite upset and says that she came to the castle to save people and not kill them. Secondly, the names on the list are not Qunari spies. Many of them are just farmers and common folk. They are innocents. Thirdly, as others have said, you can choose to abandon Tallis once you escape from the Duke's prison. 

Modifié par Kavatica, 23 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[Darkrider296]

I lost respect for Tallis during a conversation with Anders. Anders was asking her a very serious question about how Mages are treated under the Qun. Yet she deflected it with a stupid joke (hate when other characters do that as well)

[Dave of Canada]

Didn't like Tallis and hope she isn't reintroduced into the game as a major character, I abandoned and threatened to kill her for a reason. My Anti-Qunari Hawke does not approve of this and even my tolerant Hawke doesn't like Tallis lying to him and being perfectly fine that there's spies taking information from across Thedas to give to invaders.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[BubbleDncr]

If Tallis ever shows up in Dragon Age again, I want the option to kill her.

Put that in your notes for DA3, Bioware.

[Darkrider296]

Right on. I'm with you on that

[FaultenXIII]

I actually happened to like Tallis and thought she was a nice breath of fresh air in a series that was so mired in angst and strife (looking at you Anders and Fenris). I found her humor and good nature to be a nice counter weight to a party that was otherwise wrapped up in their own personal drama. I.E. Anders with is 'woe is the plight of mages' and 'woe is me for I am the very thing I despise' and Fenris with his whole 'brood, brood, brood, brood. Maker I hate mages!' attitude.

Plus I found her insight into Qunari culture very interesting and intriguing. They, like everyone else in the Dragon Age universe, are trying to make the world a better place. Though their society, again like everyone else, is still plagued by shortcomings and personal failings. I know everyone else here seems to dislike her for set reasons, just thought I'd drop by and give my two cents.

[Dutchess]

I did not like Tallis, and not as in a dislike for a well-written character, but as a dislike for a badly written character. She was supposed to be everything at the same time: funny, cool, but also deep and philosophical and wise. In the end she became some sort of split personality, one who blurts out "that must be the altar that weird old guy mentioned" and "there are different paths. Don't have to lead to the same destination". It doesn't mesh well, it feels disconnected. And because of that I started to dislike her with passion.

[glitter_guld]

Kavatica wrote...

glitter_guld wrote...

But why would I do that? Why would I go to an Orlesian castle and kill 1000 people there to protect the names of Qun spies?? It didn't feel like saving lives or doing anything cool. How working for Qun interests suppose to produce affinity towards Tallis? 

It's okay that you don't like Tallis as a character, but I think you are wrong on a few points here. First of all, you don't kill 1000 people. Tallis actually asks that you don't kill people, and this is why you are given the option to sneak through the castle, and why she gets happy when you don't kill the noble who tries to steal your wivern kill. She takes no joy in killing. In fact, when you choose the option to not sneak and instead attack, she gets quite upset and says that she came to the castle to save people and not kill them. Secondly, the names on the list are not Qunari spies. Many of them are just farmers and common folk. They are innocents. Thirdly, as others have said, you can choose to abandon Tallis once you escape from the Duke's prison. 

About killing 1000 people, it was hyperbolically said, of course. The game seems to like throwing hordes and hordes at you every other combat. Sometimes enemies simply jump from the sky and out of nowhere. I did abandon her, just to see her reappear a little later. I was a bit upset.

Anyway, after playing this DLC I felt like I betrayed many things I was fighting for during all the game before that. She is also personally unpleasant. She heavily lies and tricks and gives some ambiguous comments. She is very different from the other qunari, who are portrayed honest and direct.

At the end, she occurred to be a kind of qunari templar. Very hard to believe.

Modifié par glitter_guld, 23 mars 2012 - 06:14 .

[Dave of Canada]

Kavatica wrote...

Secondly, the names on the list are not Qunari spies. Many of them are just farmers and common folk. 
They are innocents.

Except the list are Qunari spies, she's just worried about the potential aftermath should they be discovered as their families and such would be implicated. The ones Tallis care about are innocent, the ones on the list are not.

Thirdly, as others have said, you can choose to abandon Tallis once you escape from the Duke's prison. 

Which I gladly do but results in the same scene playing out anyway, she escapes with the list and Hawke can't do anything.

[Darkrider296]

FaultenXIII wrote...

I actually happened to like Tallis and thought she was a nice breath of fresh air in a series that was so mired in angst and strife (looking at you Anders and Fenris). I found her humor and good nature to be a nice counter weight to a party that was otherwise wrapped up in their own personal drama. I.E. Anders with is 'woe is the plight of mages' and 'woe is me for I am the very thing I despise' and Fenris with his whole 'brood, brood, brood, brood. Maker I hate mages!' attitude.

Plus I found her insight into Qunari culture very interesting and intriguing. They, like everyone else in the Dragon Age universe, are trying to make the world a better place. Though their society, again like everyone else, is still plagued by shortcomings and personal failings. I know everyone else here seems to dislike her for set reasons, just thought I'd drop by and give my two cents.

You ever stop to think that Fenris and Anders are angsty for justified reasons. Secondly I find the Qun to be an evil philsophy beyond redemption. Therefore on principle I don't take those spouting its garbage seriously. Any philisophy or group that tries to take away freedom is not worth my time, and Tallis certaintly wasn't

Modifié par Darkrider296, 23 mars 2012 - 10:49 .

[Darkrider296]

mayrabgood wrote...

I loved Tallis. I mean she still has my nose and hasn't given it back....Anyways, for some reason I always end up liking things other people don't. I just thought she was funny and different from everyone else. I watched Redemption maybe that's why I ended up liking her and wanted to help her out. I wouldn't mind it if she showed up in DA3. If she didn't, it doesn't really matter to me either.

It has nothing to do with redemption, I watched that series before I played DLC. I just didn't like the fact that she wasn't willing to confront in conversation the plight of Qunari mages. She just deflected it with humor. Similar to when Fenris or Aveline deflect serious questions with humor. You haven't answered the question you've simply shoved an important issue under the carpet because it makes u feel uncomfortable. Oh woe is me this subject is to dark for me to take ill just make a stupid joke about it, then it will stop bothering me

[glitter_guld]

In the DLC, Tallis said to Anders that "she thinks it is right to sew mage's mouth", and that was considering that my main character and Anders were mages. It was not very nice or humorous, really.

[BubbleDncr]

Kavatica wrote...

glitter_guld wrote...

But why would I do that? Why would I go to an Orlesian castle and kill 1000 people there to protect the names of Qun spies?? It didn't feel like saving lives or doing anything cool. How working for Qun interests suppose to produce affinity towards Tallis? 

It's okay that you don't like Tallis as a character, but I think you are wrong on a few points here. First of all, you don't kill 1000 people. Tallis actually asks that you don't kill people, and this is why you are given the option to sneak through the castle, and why she gets happy when you don't kill the noble who tries to steal your wivern kill. She takes no joy in killing. In fact, when you choose the option to not sneak and instead attack, she gets quite upset and says that she came to the castle to save people and not kill them. Secondly, the names on the list are not Qunari spies. Many of them are just farmers and common folk. They are innocents. Thirdly, as others have said, you can choose to abandon Tallis once you escape from the Duke's prison. 

And after you abandon her, you still ending up helping her. So now, while you may have wanted her to fail in her mission (reason some people didn't help her), you just helped her meet her goal, and can't do anything about it because she's protected by the giant plotline sheild.

[Eudaemonium]

I actually didn't mind Tallis. I found her interesting, and interpretted her character-schizophrenia as a result of her conversion process. You often find that converts to faiths tend to be far more dogmatic in their beliefs as a way of reinforcing their sense of belonging. Her character is deliberately unstable, which shows in numerous dialogues where she refuses to confront difficult questions regarding Qunari philosophy. At the same time she pushes that philosophy as a way of reinforcing her personal sense of being in the world. Her character made sense to me, but I didn't really *like* her.

[Adanu]

renjility wrote...

I did not like Tallis, and not as in a dislike for a well-written character, but as a dislike for a badly written character. She was supposed to be everything at the same time: funny, cool, but also deep and philosophical and wise. In the end she became some sort of split personality, one who blurts out "that must be the altar that weird old guy mentioned" and "there are different paths. Don't have to lead to the same destination". It doesn't mesh well, it feels disconnected. And because of that I started to dislike her with passion.

So because she isn't one track minded, you don't like her? She was refreshingly conflicted about her status in life, and while she pushed on to try and make sense of herself she can at least admit that doubt is part of that push.

Nothing wrong with a flawed, complex character.