Hanz54321 wrote...
If a player did play the expansion, should that player see Redemption before or after playing it?
Modifié par caradoc2000, 25 mars 2012 - 10:22 .
Adanu wrote...
renjility wrote...
I did not like Tallis, and not as in a dislike for a well-written character, but as a dislike for a badly written character. She was supposed to be everything at the same time: funny, cool, but also deep and philosophical and wise. In the end she became some sort of split personality, one who blurts out "that must be the altar that weird old guy mentioned" and "there are different paths. Don't have to lead to the same destination". It doesn't mesh well, it feels disconnected. And because of that I started to dislike her with passion.
So because she isn't one track minded, you don't like her? She was refreshingly conflicted about her status in life, and while she pushed on to try and make sense of herself she can at least admit that doubt is part of that push.
Nothing wrong with a flawed, complex character.
Modifié par Mark of the Dragon, 26 mars 2012 - 01:32 .
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renjility wrote...
No... not because she isn't one track minded... I didn't say that. She was probably supposed to be complex and all, but it didn't come out well. At least not in my eyes. Again, those different sides of her feel disconnected to me. Somehow it doesn't fit. The philosophy seems so misplaced. She winked at a man before she slit his throath, and later she was all upset because she killed a guard. That makes her more of a hypocrite than a complex person.
The character just... tries too hard to be all those different things, and because of that she fails. My party is filled with complex characters, both in DAO and DA2. That only makes Tallis stand out as extra weak.
Hanz54321 wrote...
renjility wrote...
No... not because she isn't one track minded... I didn't say that. She was probably supposed to be complex and all, but it didn't come out well. At least not in my eyes. Again, those different sides of her feel disconnected to me. Somehow it doesn't fit. The philosophy seems so misplaced. She winked at a man before she slit his throath, and later she was all upset because she killed a guard. That makes her more of a hypocrite than a complex person.
The character just... tries too hard to be all those different things, and because of that she fails. My party is filled with complex characters, both in DAO and DA2. That only makes Tallis stand out as extra weak.
I've not played MoTA, but isn't it about some Qunari spy stuff? If Tallis is Qunari . . . then your character description is at least consistent with everything else I've seen of the Qunari. Like all religious zealots, they've created a philosophy that is impossible to live up to . . . thus they talk a good game, but when the going gets tough they lose their sheet. Examples include Sten and the farmers, Sten being a softy, and DA 2 Chapter 2 which I have lovingly entitled, "The Arishok Goes Bananas."
caradoc2000 wrote...
Tallis told Hawke she was looking for the Heart-of-the-Many, which as Obi-Wan would say, was true from a certain point of view.
BubbleDncr wrote...
caradoc2000 wrote...
Tallis told Hawke she was looking for the Heart-of-the-Many, which as Obi-Wan would say, was true from a certain point of view.
Win.
But I still want to stab her in the gut for lying and using me.
Darkrider296 wrote...
I lost respect for Tallis during a conversation with Anders. Anders was asking her a very serious question about how Mages are treated under the Qun. Yet she deflected it with a stupid joke (hate when other characters do that as well)
renjility wrote...
Her reaction to the guard's actions and his death are actually very non-Qunari, as far as I can tell. You haven't played MoTA, so I'll describe the scene for you. Hawke and Tallis are trying to break into the Duke's mansion. Once they succeed, they stumble on a guard on duty. Tallis says to him: "Wait, no one has to die today. Just walk away and forget you saw us."
Of course the guard would be a very bad guard if he did that, so he tries to yell a warning, forcing Tallis to throw a knife to kill him. Then she goes all sad becase he forced her to kill him by doing his job. If I understand Qunari, they believe you have to fulfill your "role" in the Qun. This can be farmer, soldier, etc. So the guard's role was to be a guard. How then can she expect of him to abandon his role, his duty, when she walks in and asks him to walk away? In Qunari culture that would lead to your death sentence.
thats1evildude wrote...
Wasn't that how Anders responded to half of the serious questions asked of him in Awakening?
thats1evildude wrote...
Wasn't that how Anders responded to half of the serious questions asked of him in Awakening?
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Nathan Redgrave wrote...
A person's former beliefs will always stay with them in some form, as part of who they are. Take me, for example. I'm an atheist now, but all of those values I learned being raised Christian are still in here and I've yet to find any real reason to discard a lot of them. The Qunari RACE is culturally dead-set on the Qun. The elves, humans, and dwarves that join the Qun are still culturally elves, humans, and dwarves. As much as they may believe in the Qun, they're still going to be just as repulsed by the things that used to repulse them as ever.
So call them "liberal" Qunari, if you will. They believe... just, you know, selectively.
Modifié par Hanz54321, 27 mars 2012 - 03:15 .
And when she leaves having that scroll in her hand, you can't stop her because you are in awe and your smile is shining brightly and ... something tells you that it was not the last time that you've met her.Modifié par glitter_guld, 27 mars 2012 - 05:41 .
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