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[Quietness]

Kersca wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

Even the most ardent advocates of the ending admit the existence of at least one plot hole, namely the normandy.

It's not explained. That is not a plot hole....

No, it goes contrary to Joker and the squad's characters.
It makes no sense. It has no context.

It's a massive plot hole, and no explanation you could ever give would fix it.

I guess if you just redefine "plot hole" you could be right....

"A gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."

teehee, got to love facts when they inconvience a troll <3

[Alpha-Centuri]

CavScout wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

Even the most ardent advocates of the ending admit the existence of at least one plot hole, namely the normandy.

It's not explained. That is not a plot hole....

A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no
apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in
the storyline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_hole

I think it counts. I'll give another if you'd like.

Hammer is wiped out, yet my squad gets teleported to the Normandy (or Joker picked them up literally 100 ft from Harbinger who doesn't leave until Shepard wakes up.) Remember that the Normandy went back to Sword Fleet to participate in the battle.

Is that a better one?

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 23 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[deadshame]

CavScout wrote...

deadshame wrote...

CavScout wrote...

deadshame wrote...

So if we don't like the ending, we're just stupid and it went over our heads? I guess i'm not hipster or deep enough for this ending. -shrugs-

Funny, he said the liking or disliking the ending was opinion not a measure of intelligence.

He did say it may have gone over our heads. It didn't. Once again, I guess i'm not deep enough for it. <_<

So you admit to misleading us when you said he called you stupid?

Are you the kind gentleman that made that disaster of a video? Maybe stupid wasn't the best word. But acting like if we didn't like the ending means it just went over our heads is just stupid. It didn't go over our heads, it's just bad. I'm assuming you liked the ending? I'm sorry if I "mislead" you good sir.

[Yalision]

Just let it go, I could care less what these media outlets think. The point is the fans got their message across through great effort and mobilization and Bioware listened. Fans and Bioware together have paved the way to make something amazing even better, and that will be very controversial to many people who either don't understand or are simply on another fence of philosophy.

At the end of the day, whatever Bioware does will be optional. So people who are pro-ending should stop feeling so offended because no one is making them change their experience or invalidating it.

[Cadence of the Planes]

Would it still count as a plot hole if the entire normady scene etc- was part of a dream/hallucination?

[KingDan97]

He's an online video blogger for MSNBC, he doesn't even get on TV... He's the journalistic equivalent of a Metacritic reviewer because he's paid to be the one person in the office who knows anything whatsoever about Video Games.

He's just way too used to being the only one around him who "gets" it so he assumes the same in broader audiences.

And I'd like to note, that in my opinion even with the current endings the game is still a 10/10 for me, I just know that no matter how absolutely phenomenal the rest of the game was those last few minutes tainted the experience like walking in on your fiancee you just proposed to surrounded by a male harem of your best friends. No matter how great what came before was, that last moment is what you will remember.

[Marinemike69]

Heretic19 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

does it bother anyone else that Fox  is unbiased compared to MSNBC? god i think i might go shoot myself for saying that.

Don't worry, I agree... and I'm here for you.

[jess05]

The loudest voices (not neccesarily the majority)
Also tried to make it as if the communty wasn't smart enough to understand.

I wonder if he wasnt smart enough to see the plot holes. the only way you couldnt notice it, is if ME3 was the first of trilogy you've played.

[Powerpetzi]

"Hopefully future content will provide more closure for gamers, not a weaker ending."

I laughed out loud, literally.

[noobcannon]

he probably chose the synthesis ending too i bet.

/facepalm

[morph4037]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Who watches msnbc anyways? Theyre the definition of sellouts.

-Polite

[Welsh Inferno]

My face at the title.

 

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 23 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[SimKoning]

I posted this on his facebook:

I would have to say that, at the very least, the synthesis ending was one of the most incongruous and nonsensical endings to an otherwise quasi-plausible work of science fiction I have ever seen. It is basically a supernatural space miracle. Are we really expected to suspend disbelief while being told that every life form in the galaxy will magically be transformed into a cyborg? Really?

How about a magical god child that shows up at the last second to assert that synthetics will *always* rebel against their creators, despite the fact that this very same being can look our the window and see a race of machines working together with their creators? Does that make sense to you? Did something "go over my head"? What about the sentient starship (the Normandy) and its human boyfriend? Why was the Normandy flying out of the solar system like a bat out of hell while having its back end torn off? Are we supposed to assume that everyone back in the solar system survived that blast?

What about Tali and Garrus getting stranded on that planet? Either the humans and the Asari are going to starve to death, or the Quarian or the Turian will... what a wonderful ending. If you don't know what I'm talking about then something probably went over your head.

[Siggs84]

Thanks, simkoning, gonna link up his facebook page to this post as well.

[SpiderFan1217]

I agree with pretty much all of what he said.

[Cadence of the Planes]

I still don't think the ending had to be a plot-hole if it was a hallucination/dream

[Mesmurae]

I stopped paying attention at MSNBC

[Silveralen]

Quietness wrote...

Kersca wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

Even the most ardent advocates of the ending admit the existence of at least one plot hole, namely the normandy.

It's not explained. That is not a plot hole....

No, it goes contrary to Joker and the squad's characters.
It makes no sense. It has no context.

It's a massive plot hole, and no explanation you could ever give would fix it.

I guess if you just redefine "plot hole" you could be right....

"A gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."

teehee, got to love facts when they inconvience a troll <3

Hahaha, gotta love it. No rebuttle? Awww you scared the troll away.

[Heather Cline]

Ah MSNBC we've since dismissed their claims!

[recentio]

Siggs84 wrote...

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  Watch this video... 

This Todd Kenreck guy needs to go back to playing pong.

Highlights:
"ME3 had, what I felt was a perfect ending to one of the best sci fi series ever"
"ME3 recieved a 10/10 from me and recieved 74 perfect scores from other video game critics"
"The ending was smart imaginative and in some cases may have gone over a few peoples' heads"
"it is a complex ending and a broader idea than many stories end on... as far as plot holes? I didn't see any"

This guy is out of touch, oh and his sheppard looks like a monkey.

Or maybe the numerous plot holes went over his head. :innocent:

[Siggs84]

recentio wrote...

Siggs84 wrote...

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  Watch this video... 

This Todd Kenreck guy needs to go back to playing pong.

Highlights:
"ME3 had, what I felt was a perfect ending to one of the best sci fi series ever"
"ME3 recieved a 10/10 from me and recieved 74 perfect scores from other video game critics"
"The ending was smart imaginative and in some cases may have gone over a few peoples' heads"
"it is a complex ending and a broader idea than many stories end on... as far as plot holes? I didn't see any"

This guy is out of touch, oh and his sheppard looks like a monkey.

Or maybe the numerous plot holes went over his head. :innocent:

+1

[january42]

This is just standard reviewer lazyness.  He probably just played the game for a few hours(rather than the whole 20+) and said stuff based on that.

There is no way he could play the game and think it sets up a future for the franchise.  Quite the opposite actually .  It's like setting up a future for Star Trek by destroying hyperspace. 


As for plot holes: How about the Citadel somehow being conqured and transported across half the galaxy without anyone noticing or mentioning this to the CIC of allied forces (Hackett)?

[Wattoes]

I love when people who like the ending try to make it sound like the fanbase is too stupid to comprehend it.

The reality is they are too blind or incompetent to recognize the plethora of problems with it.

[deadshame]

recentio wrote...

Siggs84 wrote...

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  Watch this video... 

This Todd Kenreck guy needs to go back to playing pong.

Highlights:
"ME3 had, what I felt was a perfect ending to one of the best sci fi series ever"
"ME3 recieved a 10/10 from me and recieved 74 perfect scores from other video game critics"
"The ending was smart imaginative and in some cases may have gone over a few peoples' heads"
"it is a complex ending and a broader idea than many stories end on... as far as plot holes? I didn't see any"

This guy is out of touch, oh and his sheppard looks like a monkey.

Or maybe the numerous plot holes went over his head. :innocent:

lol +2