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[deimosmasque]

The Angry One wrote...


Yes let's judge every donator on the actions of a few idiots.

The problem is indentifying why they donated in the first place.  I'm sure the majority did donate because it's a good cause, one I've donated to several times as stated earlier.  But if even one person donated thinking it was going to get new ME3 endings then it's suspect.  It's a difficult ethical dilemia which I don't think the PA guys necesarrily did the right thing with, but they made their decsion.

Using charities to promote causes is done all the time, the reasons for donating were made clear.
If a handful of people were to dense to understand they were donating to a charity that is nobody else's fault.

Yes charities promote causes all the tiem, their causes... not the causes of splinter drives, that yes did indeed state the intent of both the group and of the chairty, have nothing to do with the actual charity.

If you want to support a charity, support it.  Don't support it because some other cause you believe in decides to hold a charity drive with an unrelated charity.

Think of it this way, divorced from the 'ending controversy:'

If the 'League of Christians Against Abortion' suddenly started raising money for an orgainzation that was meant to watchdown malpractice in hospitals and free clinics.  And part of the LoCaA stated as their mission "To elimiate and criminalize the abortion problem in the USA and abroad," do you think that organization would really think that money was just because those poeple believed in malpractice watchdoging? 

Would those donating only think they were donating only to watchdog malpractice?  Or would they think their donation would help the stated goal of "eliminating the abortion problem?"

Slippery slope fallacies again.

Slippery slope fallicies?  Really?  Its a similiar situation using a hotbed issue instead of the videog game issue.  Abortion has little to nothing to do with Medical Malpractice.  Changing ME3 Endings has little to nothing to do with Child's play.

If you have a better example, I'd very much welcome hearing it.

Modifié par deimosmasque, 23 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[FunstuffofDoom]

Guys, the negativity is crap. No, seriously. Walk through it from the top.

The Child Play drive was started with the specific goal of proving that we are a dedicated, respectful group of people with a grievance we wanted to air in a civil manner. It was a proof-of-integrity thing. Sort of a, "BioWare, we're nice and polite, and we just want to talk. You can see this, because we donated a bunch of money to charity. Aren't we nice and dedicated?" If BioWare took that to mean, additionally, that we had a bunch of money we were also willing to spend on DLC, well, so much the better. But the initial point was, we were trying to prove we're sincere and approachable.

Guess what getting mad at Gabe and Tycho doesn't prove? No, really. Go walk on it for a moment or two. I'll be here when you get back.

We wanted BioWare to listen to us. We wanted them to talk with us about the future. They will. We want different/better endings. Those details are going to get hammered out, but only if we can keep our cool.

Even if you're not wild about what's been said so far, the chraity drive did exactly what it was supposed to. It helped out some people in need, and it got BioWare to recognize us. Gabe and Tycho are well within their rights to not want their charity to get politicized, and when people are donating, not to donate, but specifically because they want a new ME3 ending, then they've missed the point, and we need to reign things back in.

We're winning, guys. Things are moving along just as they need to, and they'll keep doing that, unless we do something drastic to screw it up. Raging out and discrediting ourselves? That'll ruin things.

So, calm down. Be polite, be patient. Hold the line.

[Qutayba]

Just read Tycho's response. That actually makes some sense, and I can respect their decision. Still disappointed though.

[defenestrated]

A_Lone_Gamer wrote...

I get where they are coming from, that child's play needs to be the cause. However they have hardly been neutral in this whole affair so it's kinda hard to think that if they were on our side that they'd still be doing this.

Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't, but there were apparently problems with people misunderstanding the nature of the drive (and given the crazy passionate things the fringes of the fanbase occasionally do, I can believe that happened) and either way, we did something good. I'd rather focus on that last part.

[ticklefist]

 "We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back." - Tycho

How EMBARRASSING. If that was you, **** you. Seriously.

Modifié par ticklefist, 23 mars 2012 - 05:51 .

[devSin]

This entire thread betrays an extreme lack of class.

I hate to say that I'm a bit shamed by it. I think a lot of you should be as well.

[effortname]

Their corporate benefactors told them to get rid of the mass effect thing because it made them look bad. Platinum members or whatever trump random folks giving them free money, it seems.

[Marixus99.9]

Half the people coming here might not see the link >_>

[jess05]

Goroxx wrote...



Tycho's responses are much more thoughtful, and his response on their page tonight is a good one, and its perfectly understandable. I do find it ironic that the charity - which was founded to help kids and combat the negative stereotype of gamers - finds itself rewriting policy because gamers giving to the charity did in fact raise money to help kids and combated the negative stereotype of, well...gamers.

.

Wait .. so ..

We rewrote the policy of ChildsPlay that helps kids & combats negative stereotype of gamers to combat gamers helping kids &  combat the negative stereotype of gamers ???

Im sooo confused and it seems familiar for some reason

[Quietness]

effortname wrote...

Their corporate benefactors told them to get rid of the mass effect thing because it made them look bad. Platinum members or whatever trump random folks giving them free money, it seems.

No. Read the post. Dont assume. Ume is a nice person.

[Vengilus]

SamFlagg wrote...

Let this one go folks.

Money was raised for children.  It started to take a life of its own and was starting to have negative connotations that the charity never deserved.

Whether or not the negative feelings around the charity drive were reasonable is not a debate that is going to accomplish anything at this juncture.

Impuing the motives of all of those running the charity are just as misguided as impuing the motives all of those who donated.

This type of arguement is exactly what plays into the hands of the "They're entitled" crowd. Do not engage in it.

And let me make this very clear.

YOU CAN NOT FIGHT EVERY SINGLE BATTLE OVER EVERYTHING FOR EVERY SCRAP OF GROUND.

If you do that, you will lose.

I wholeheartedly agree. The funds were raised, the donations were made, now we move on.

We raised a LOT of money. That money isn't going to sit somewhere useless, it's going to the children. The very purpose of the charity.  That is the important part. Not recognition, not making a statement, not drawing attention to our cause.

Please, again, let's not turn this into something it's not.

[Statulos]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Unfortunate, but also common. Charities are very touchy about not offending the 'right' people or associating with the 'wrong' people.

Ultimately demonstrating they they´re bandages for a wound that needs antibiotics. FeelGoodWithYourself while you get massive anonymous donations from who knows.

Quietness wrote...

effortname wrote...

Their
corporate benefactors told them to get rid of the mass effect thing
because it made them look bad. Platinum members or whatever trump random
folks giving them free money, it seems.

No. Read the post. Dont assume. Ume is a nice person.

What they do not want is comercial campaigns. That does not mean they do not accept corporate donations. And well, threatening with not doing so works great! The catholic church has centuries of experience in that regard.

Modifié par Statulos, 23 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[deimosmasque]

Nuclear Pete wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Nuclear Pete wrote...

How is this any differant to McDonald's supporting charities?

You really see RetakeME as a corporation?

Not really the point, mate.

Those that donated only voiced dissatisfaction with a game. Nobody is profiting from this.

To turn away money like that makes no sense.

That would be the point right there.   They didn't all donate because they believed in Child's Play.  They did it to voice their own cause.

[Ghost of a Messiah]

SpiritReaver72 wrote...

We can't still donate money to Child's Play without it needing to be attached to our movement. By acting this way instead of posting a link to the charity and encouraging people to donate directly we are in fact reinforcing the view that we're using the charity as a shield. If the goal is to do something good with our energy then we can still donate to Child's Play. Nothings changed except our acknowledgement. Either we choose to do use our anger constructively and use good for good's sake or we act the way people are accusing us of and use another charity to bolster our cause. I don't think donating to Child's Play the way we were was us using a shield to protect us against negative stereotypes. Emotions were too high and we were nowhere near organized enough to think in such a calculated manner. But moving away from our already picked charity and picking another one because we're not getting the recognition is calculated.

No good deed goes unpunished. But those kids deserve every penny of what was coming to them. Regardless of the way the movement used it as a shield and regardless of how he used it simply to disarm your movement, taking it away from the children is wrong. Bottom line.

[SuperTeal]

Nuclear Pete wrote...

How is this any differant to McDonald's supporting charities?

Can't believe they would turn money away because of a harmless campaign.

This this and this.

It's really important to remember that companies like McDonalds that are responsible for some of the worst health problems in this country give donations to groups like Childs Play every year - and those donations aren't turned away, even though McDonalds has a hand in a lot of peoples health problems.

It's our choice to eat their food, but it's also our choice to buy ME3 - we make both choices freely, and we also make the choice to donate freely.  I don't understand the stance on stopping the donations.  This is what donations are for - bringing awareness to causes.  That's always what they've been for.  If the cause is angry gamers trying to show that they're not just going to rage on an internet forum - then so what?!  

We did some good.  And we could have done more!!!

Modifié par SuperTeal, 23 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[ConradsLaces]

Xivai wrote...

This is what I think.

Holy cow - I'd never seen that bit before! Hilarious. Laughed way too loud at that one...hope I didn't wake up the neighbor.

[Kersca]

Xandurpein wrote...

Would it be unfair to speculate that some major Game producers, like maybe EA, donate a lot of big money to this charity and that EA have now threatened to withdraw their money?

Not only unfair, but incredibly ridiculous.

[CavScout]

LegatoSkyheart wrote...

So...he's refusing money for children? I hurt him because I find the ending of Mass Effect 3 wrong and have really good points as to why I don't like the ending and even decide to give money to Charity?

He's not refusing money. You can still donate. You just can't do it on the RetakeME3 banner. If you want to donate, donate! They'll take it!

[vometia]

ticklefist wrote...

 "We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back." - Tycho

How EMBARRASSING. If that was you, **** you. Seriously.

I must admit I'm finding this extremely difficult to believe.

[longtimecoming00]

CavScout wrote...

It is the point. Corporate sponsorship is not the same thing as the Retake ME branding.

Retake donating to Child's Play for publicity purposes = selfish

Corporate sponsorship to enhace corporate image = selfish

Therefore:

Corporate sponsorship = retake donations

Selfish is selfish.  That doesn't change just because you agree with one side and disagree with the other.

[Jayce]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I have not seen what PAX or PA is doing. I am talking about right way to go about it and wrong way.  A simple change of stance and description and all could of been avoided. What I just said is how he viewed it going by his statements and as others in here have also agreed with his stance. I was more disgusted by some (not many) asking for donations back.

The goal was perfectly clear. You're being just as disengenuous as the PA crew  trying to make it seem otherwise.

It was perfectly clear the drive was a charity donation to a childrens charity. Anyone who was stupid enough to think otherwise must need help tying their shoelaces.

Tycho completely blows any credibility he might've had by claiming the drive stopped cause 'they won' when it stopped because they pulled the plug.

Modifié par Jayce F, 23 mars 2012 - 05:55 .

[Nyila]

ticklefist wrote...

 "We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back." - Tycho

How EMBARRASSING. If that was you, **** you. Seriously.

How can you be sure that's a true statement? I mean, is there a way to be certain people are asking for refunds? And if they really are, is it wrong of them to give the money to another charity that isn't linked with all this political bull****?

[Dragoonlordz]

Quietness wrote...

LegatoSkyheart wrote...

So...he's refusing money for children? I hurt him because I find the ending of Mass Effect 3 wrong and have really good points as to why I don't like the ending and even decide to give money to Charity?

Read his article... There are a lot of complete f***nuts that are CHARGING BACK donations. God damn im pissed.

This is probably the only time we have agreed, as a person who also donated to charty only last night the thought of getting money back kind of disgusts me but the charity is not to blame and sorry for this but the movement is for the reason I stated here. However I am glad so many donated but make no mistakes if the group aka the movement had done it right, worded it right the charity would still be accepting donations from the group as a group.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mars 2012 - 05:56 .

[Midarc2nd]

Qutayba wrote...

If they can just refuse money because of some petty squabble, it makes me wonder what kind of board has oversight over the charity.

Keep in mind folks.
They haven't refused the money.
They've just asked to put a halt to the drive due to the problems it was creating (listed elsewhere).

We should be taking pride in what we accomplished and leave it at that.
Childsplay is a damned good cause.
It's privilege enough to be able to help as a group for a short time.

Perhaps, as I said before, when this is all over it'll be something we can do again.
Sans media attention and associated barnies.

[Dragoonlordz]

Jayce F wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I have not seen what PAX or PA is doing. I am talking about right way to go about it and wrong way.  A simple change of stance and description and all could of been avoided. What I just said is how he viewed it going by his statements and as others in here have also agreed with his stance. I was more disgusted by some (not many) asking for donations back.

The goal was perfectly clear. You're being just as disengenuous as the PA crew  trying to make it seem otherwise.

It was perfectly clear the drive was a charity donation to a childrens charity. Anyone who was stupid enough to think otherwise must need help tying their shoes. Tycho completely blows any credibility he might've had by claiming the drive stopped cause 'they won' when it stopped because they pulled the plug.

It clearly was not "clear" at all. That is why they stopped it and that is why some idiots are asking for their money back.