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[xsdob]

Really, your attacking a charity cause they didn't want you guys hijacking their cause. **** you BSN, **** you with a M90-cain.

[IndustrializedTaco]

We were giving money to charity. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. Even if we were using the charity as a "shield." The children still benefit. WHY SHUT THIS DOWN IT'S BULL****! We were doing good. Why ruin a good thing.

[SamFlagg]

FunstuffofDoom wrote...

Guys, the negativity is crap. No, seriously. Walk through it from the top.

The Child Play drive was started with the specific goal of proving that we are a dedicated, respectful group of people with a grievance we wanted to air in a civil manner. It was a proof-of-integrity thing. Sort of a, "BioWare, we're nice and polite, and we just want to talk. You can see this, because we donated a bunch of money to charity. Aren't we nice and dedicated?" If BioWare took that to mean, additionally, that we had a bunch of money we were also willing to spend on DLC, well, so much the better. But the initial point was, we were trying to prove we're sincere and approachable.

Guess what getting mad at Gabe and Tycho doesn't prove? No, really. Go walk on it for a moment or two. I'll be here when you get back.

We wanted BioWare to listen to us. We wanted them to talk with us about the future. They will. We want different/better endings. Those details are going to get hammered out, but only if we can keep our cool.

Even if you're not wild about what's been said so far, the chraity drive did exactly what it was supposed to. It helped out some people in need, and it got BioWare to recognize us. Gabe and Tycho are well within their rights to not want their charity to get politicized, and when people are donating, not to donate, but specifically because they want a new ME3 ending, then they've missed the point, and we need to reign things back in.

We're winning, guys. Things are moving along just as they need to, and they'll keep doing that, unless we do something drastic to screw it up. Raging out and discrediting ourselves? That'll ruin things.

So, calm down. Be polite, be patient. Hold the line.

I agree with this.  In the fervor surroudning the ending there are many people who aren't thinking before they act. 

Asking for charity donations back? What the hell is wrong with you?

And we also have to understand that this Charity is bigger than all of us, if the long term goals of the charity are harmed by the publicity from this, then don't we accidently destroy the thing we tried to do good with?

I understand the decision from the Charity, I also respect it.  You still have the ability to donate money, just not with the 'cause' tied to the fund raiser.  And that's not a bad thing.

Child's play is going to be around a hell of a lot longer than this ending controversy is going to be.  And everyone who turned their rage into something positive should understand at the end of the day, this was always about making sure something good happens for some one no matter what happens to us.

[effortname]

Quietness wrote...

effortname wrote...

Their corporate benefactors told them to get rid of the mass effect thing because it made them look bad. Platinum members or whatever trump random folks giving them free money, it seems.

No. Read the post. Dont assume. Ume is a nice person.

As if I'm going to go read a thing.

[M12311]

vometia wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

 "We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back." - Tycho

How EMBARRASSING. If that was you, **** you. Seriously.

I must admit I'm finding this extremely difficult to believe.

It likely started AFTER they stopped the donation drive due to political reasons.

[Nuclear Pete]

deimosmasque wrote...

Nuclear Pete wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Nuclear Pete wrote...

How is this any differant to McDonald's supporting charities?

You really see RetakeME as a corporation?

Not really the point, mate.

Those that donated only voiced dissatisfaction with a game. Nobody is profiting from this.

To turn away money like that makes no sense.

That would be the point right there.   They didn't all donate because they believed in Child's Play.  They did it to voice their own cause.

Both parties benefit. thats the point...

[Quietness]

Jayce F wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I have not seen what PAX or PA is doing. I am talking about right way to go about it and wrong way.  A simple change of stance and description and all could of been avoided. What I just said is how he viewed it going by his statements and as others in here have also agreed with his stance. I was more disgusted by some (not many) asking for donations back.

The goal was perfectly clear. You're being just as disengenuous as the PA crew  trying to make it seem otherwise.

It was perfectly clear the drive was a charity donation to a childrens charity. Anyone who was stupid enough to think otherwise must need help tying their shoes. Tycho completely blows any credibility he might've had by claiming the drive stopped cause 'they won' when it stopped because they pulled the plug.

Unfortunately this is the internet, and there are people who are really just that plain f***** stupid

[Sett101]

I think it went something like this.
Two weeks ago "ha stupid whiners lets take their cash and talk down about them hehe"
This week Remember they claim we won and get what we want. Not that that's true at least yet. "OMG Bioware caved screw that we don't want anything to do with it."

[Shanook]

I'm sorry, but even as a fellow Retaker, I have to side with the Penny Arcade guys on this.

First of all, cursing and asking if someone is crazy as an introduction to a discussion is not how we want our movement viewed. We just proved Colin Moriarty's view of us being whiny and obnoxious true.

Secondly, no matter how you spin it, this charity drive was done for selfish purposes. We need to come to terms with that. Yes, the children benefited. But children also benefit when politicians use it to further their own agendas. I don't want to be put in the same group as politicians.

Third, the charity has to remain neutral, as nearly all successful charities do. If people start thinking they support an opinion they themselves do not share, they're not going to donate. Period.

Finally, them cancelling the Retake ME3 drive does not mean you can't continue to donate. Don't say, "They're denying money for the children." You are denying money for the children. They are more than happy to take further donations from us so long as we are not doing it under the Retake name. If you are truly so concerned for the children, by all means, continue to donate.

I have honestly never been so disappointed in the Retake movement. Come on, guys.

[Tyrzun]

Calm down people and read this. He flat out says he supports our cause!

Stop with the freaking attacks! You all should damn well apologize for saying anything about people that have been doing that charity for years!

That is NOT holding the line, it's attacking people that do not deserve it!

"You have almost certainly heard of “Retake Mass Effect” by now. One of many grassroots efforts to get a new ending to Mass Effect 3, it’s part community, part online petition, and part (here is where things get complicated) Child’s Play Donation Drive. They have stopped taking donations now partly because they basically won and partly because we don’t know how to feel about this use of the charity.

As the main point of contact for Child’s Play, Jamie has been buried under mail about this situation. Apparently some of the people giving to the cause seemed to think that they were paying for a new ending to Mass Effect. She’s been asked what the goal is, and how much they need to raise in order to get the ending produced. We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back. This is in addition to readers who simply couldn’t understand how this was connected to Child’s Play’s mission. We were dealing with a lot of very confused people, more every day, and that told us we had a problem.

We have policies in place to deal with direct abuse: we don’t allow companies to use Child’s Play in order to sell more stuff. To that end we do not allow deals like “1 cent of every dollar goes to Child’s Play!” or whatever. But this isn’t anywhere on that continuum! This is a passionate community that formed around one thing, and some of that passion was expressed in charitable giving. I actually support this cause, but I am a pessimist, and I’m thinking about the next time something like this happens - when someone attaches Child’s Play to something we can’t get behind, or leverages your history of generosity and fellow feeling for their own weird bull****. So, we need to have something like a policy on this. This is the best way I can think to say it:

Child’s Play cannot be a tool to draw attention to a cause. Child’s Play must be the Cause.

Nothing like this has ever happened in the almost ten years the charity has been running, so it kind of threw me for a loop. Thanks for listening."

http://www.penny-arcade.com/

By allowing US to be a part of that charity at all they helped us a ton! They got us our first big news notice. They are getting into a sticky situation being associated with the Retake movement as they explain above. They also think we have won and we don't need their help anymore.

IF you care about the kids you can still give them money and you should. They didn't shut it down. Just made their lives easier. By associating with us their lives obviously more difficult if you read.

None of you complaining have the "kids" as your priority.  If your cared you'd still give those kids the money even though YOU don't get anything out of it.  

The trolls don't need to make us seem bad, nothing they could ever say could make us look as bad as some of the comments in this thread.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 23 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[TLK Spires]

denying anyone who wants to donate to something, for whatever reason, that can help children is flat out wrong. the natural solution is to donate elsewhere, but in the mean time, enjoy the negative feedback that goes with it.

[Maria Caliban]

deimosmasque wrote...


The problem is indentifying why they donated in the first place.

1. You'll never know.
2. It doesn't matter.

[Red Viking]

Calm down, everyone, I understand the frustration, but we did a good thing here. Regardless of what happened, sick kids ultimately benefited from our actions and that's what really matters in the end.

I really don't think there's a conspiracy here. I can understand where Gabe and Tycho are coming from since their reasoning is completely sound.

[ticklefist]

Nyila wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

 "We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back." - Tycho

How EMBARRASSING. If that was you, **** you. Seriously.

How can you be sure that's a true statement? I mean, is there a way to be certain people are asking for refunds? And if they really are, is it wrong of them to give the money to another charity that isn't linked with all this political bull****?

For the first part of the question: Then I guess nobody has to **** themselves, problem solved. As for the second part, it's charity. Not your stock portfolio. You don't move your money around.

[dcal31]

OK, everyone. Take a deep breathe. Count to 10. Go read the official response. We raised a lot of money that will help a lot of sick kids. Isn't that the important thing here? Let's just keep our cool, regardless of anyone's motives or responses, and spent a day or two figuring out what our next move. Calming. Like the mature, rational adults we are. And finally, a quote.

"Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience."

[Marixus99.9]

Marixus99.9 wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect

Read ^

I'm going to keep posting this since the OP isn't responding >_>

[DarkSpider88]

Okay just reread Tyco's response and only problem I have is that he said we shut down partly due to us kind of winning. From what I understand the reason it was shut down is it was causing problems for Child's Play?

I am a little miffed that you guys running the drive were nice enough to shut down for them, but in his response he makes it sound like we were only going to donate until we got what we wanted. On the opening page it said the drive would go until April 6, there was nothing about 'until' we get what we want.

Maybe I am oversensitive but he could have worded that better. It almost sounds like a barb at us. Still we need to abide by their rules, their charity.

Modifié par DarkSpider88, 23 mars 2012 - 06:00 .

[CavScout]

longtimecoming00 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

It is the point. Corporate sponsorship is not the same thing as the Retake ME branding.

Retake donating to Child's Play for publicity purposes = selfish

Corporate sponsorship to enhace corporate image = selfish

Therefore:

Corporate sponsorship = retake donations

Selfish is selfish.  That doesn't change just because you agree with one side and disagree with the other.

/facepalm

[vometia]

M12311 wrote...

It likely started AFTER they stopped the donation drive due to political reasons.

I suppose I find that more plausible, though I'm still surprised at the claims of a "high number".

[Kayjin23]

You know a lot of the posts in this thread are just proving that at least some people WERE using the charity as a shield. There's no reason to stop donating money if you want to donate money to help children. ALL they are asking is that you please stop trying to use it to support Retake Mass Effect 3. If so many of you will only donate when you can donate it under that banner, how are you NOT using it as a shield?

[Quietness]

Shanook wrote...

I'm sorry, but even as a fellow Retaker, I have to side with the Penny Arcade guys on this.

First of all, cursing and asking if someone is crazy as an introduction to a discussion is not how we want our movement viewed. We just proved Colin Moriarty's view of us being whiny and obnoxious true.

Secondly, no matter how you spin it, this charity drive was done for selfish purposes. We need to come to terms with that. Yes, the children benefited. But children also benefit when politicians use it to further their own agendas. I don't want to be put in the same group as politicians.

Third, the charity has to remain neutral, as nearly all successful charities do. If people start thinking they support an opinion they themselves do not share, they're not going to donate. Period.

Finally, them cancelling the Retake ME3 drive does not mean you can't continue to donate. Don't say, "They're denying money for the children." You are denying money for the children. They are more than happy to take further donations from us so long as we are not doing it under the Retake name. If you are truly so concerned for the children, by all means, continue to donate.

I have honestly never been so disappointed in the Retake movement. Come on, guys.

Actually number 2 not so much. There was the whole petition attached but it was changed almost immediately for a way for people to channel all that crap feeling into something good. Actually donating to this chartiy gave me the catharsis that was robbed in the ending...

[SamFlagg]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

We were giving money to charity. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. Even if we were using the charity as a "shield." The children still benefit. WHY SHUT THIS DOWN IT'S BULL****! We were doing good. Why ruin a good thing.

Because certain elements were starting to petition Pay Pay for give backs, and the long term goals of the charity were starting to be impacted by what is becoming negative publicity.

Whether or not it is fair that there is negative publicity isn't the issue.  The operators of the charity have both the right and duty to protect their long term charitable interests.

[agathokakological]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I have to agree though. It took a video game ending to get people to donate.

I have a sinking suspicion the kids don't give a sh**.

[Actinguy1]

I've editted the original post to include Tycho's link (which was posted AFTER my convo with Gabe), plus a few other items.

[RedShft]

Yeah, I never understood why Retake was donating money to charity other than as some sort of publicity stunt. Your motivation is in no way connected to Childs Play.

This is actually a gross abuse of charities and you guys should have really thought this through before you decided on this course of action.

I agree 100% with the founders of Child's Play.

Kayjin23 wrote...

You know a lot of the posts in this thread are just proving that at least some people WERE using the charity as a shield. There's no reason to stop donating money if you want to donate money to help children. ALL they are asking is that you please stop trying to use it to support Retake Mass Effect 3. If so many of you will only donate when you can donate it under that banner, how are you NOT using it as a shield?

 

This is true. It's pretty sickening behaviour.

Modifié par RedShft, 23 mars 2012 - 06:01 .