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[IndustrializedTaco]

M12311 wrote...

vometia wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

 "We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back." - Tycho

How EMBARRASSING. If that was you, **** you. Seriously.

I must admit I'm finding this extremely difficult to believe.

It likely started AFTER they stopped the donation drive due to political reasons.

I hate people. That's ****ed up.

[Marixus99.9]

Actinguy1 wrote...

I've editted the original post to include Tycho's link (which was posted AFTER my convo with Gabe), plus a few other items.

Thanks. You got my message?

[Jayce]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I have not seen what PAX or PA is doing. I am talking about right way to go about it and wrong way.  A simple change of stance and description and all could of been avoided. What I just said is how he viewed it going by his statements and as others in here have also agreed with his stance. I was more disgusted by some (not many) asking for donations back.

The goal was perfectly clear. You're being just as disengenuous as the PA crew  trying to make it seem otherwise.

It was perfectly clear the drive was a charity donation to a childrens charity. Anyone who was stupid enough to think otherwise must need help tying their shoes. Tycho completely blows any credibility he might've had by claiming the drive stopped cause 'they won' when it stopped because they pulled the plug.

It clearly was not "clear" at all. That is why they stopped it and that is why some idiots are asking for their money back.

Some idiots are asking for their money back because Penny Arcade turned the donation drive into a football by pressuring Retake to end it.

It's douchey to want your money back no matter the circumstances, but I can understand why some feel getting their money back is a way of disassociating their charitable donations from the behavior of Penny Arcade.

Modifié par Jayce F, 23 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[CavScout]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

We were giving money to charity. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. Even if we were using the charity as a "shield." The children still benefit. WHY SHUT THIS DOWN IT'S BULL****! We were doing good. Why ruin a good thing.

If helping children was the "doing good" part you can conitnue to do good. Donate directly to CP.

If the "doing good" was building rep for RetakeME3... I don't know what to say.

[Sainta117]

I don't agree with folks who want to take their money back, but this does certainly feel like a slap in the face from the PA folks, who have been kind of insulting regarding their attitude toward us anyway. People regularly donate money to charities for their own reasons - because they want to remember someone, or because they want to make a point. The point is the money and the good that can be done with it, not the specific purity of the donator's motives.

[aMytallica]

deimosmasque wrote...

Nuclear Pete wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Nuclear Pete wrote...

How is this any differant to McDonald's supporting charities?

You really see RetakeME as a corporation?

Not really the point, mate.

Those that donated only voiced dissatisfaction with a game. Nobody is profiting from this.

To turn away money like that makes no sense.

That would be the point right there.   They didn't all donate because they believed in Child's Play.  They did it to voice their own cause.

But people did still willingly donate to a charity - no matter what their motivations. So why is this a bad thing? Those kids still benefit, don't they?

[xdognatex]

Just say glad we could donate, and let this die. Makes use look better.

Find a new charity, im sure some out there would like the money/publicity, pick one out ill be the first to donate.

[Dragoonlordz]

Quietness wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I have not seen what PAX or PA is doing. I am talking about right way to go about it and wrong way.  A simple change of stance and description and all could of been avoided. What I just said is how he viewed it going by his statements and as others in here have also agreed with his stance. I was more disgusted by some (not many) asking for donations back.

The goal was perfectly clear. You're being just as disengenuous as the PA crew  trying to make it seem otherwise.

It was perfectly clear the drive was a charity donation to a childrens charity. Anyone who was stupid enough to think otherwise must need help tying their shoes. Tycho completely blows any credibility he might've had by claiming the drive stopped cause 'they won' when it stopped because they pulled the plug.

Unfortunately this is the internet, and there are people who are really just that plain f***** stupid

Which is why you have to be careful how you word something when attach yourself to another cause or charity. It annoys me that the group Retake never had enough foresight to simply use a phrase which did not imply that by donating it would be supporting your cause but this is offset (annyoance) by the money you raised for those kids which is a good thing. It annoys me even more that people are taking money back from the charity but I do blame the way you as a group affiliated yourselves as to why it came to an end. You can still donate and I hope you do and do not forget you did a good thing overall even if it came crashing down because lack of foresight.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mars 2012 - 06:03 .

[SuperTeal]

This is turning into a fiasco. Good job Penny Arcade - good job.

[Quietness]

RedShft wrote...

Yeah, I never understood why Retake was donating money to charity other than as some sort of publicity stunt. Your motivation is in no way connected to Childs Play.

This is actually a gross abuse of charities and you guys should have really thought this through before you decided on this course of action.

I agree 100% with the founders of Child's Play.

Actually as said a rediculous amount of times through-out the whole time of it.

It was used for people to turn all that crap feeling into something good. 

Sure it could have and should have been worded better, there was even a lot of debate about a week ago from simply removing the full retake portion out of the name, but it was decided against as that is what it originally operated under.

[VettoRyouzou]

Would it be enough to ask for both side to back away? This is getting pretty dang ugly and no mods are on to lock it.

[defenestrated]

vometia wrote...

M12311 wrote...

It likely started AFTER they stopped the donation drive due to political reasons.

I suppose I find that more plausible, though I'm still surprised at the claims of a "high number".

I can believe that a "high number" for this to trigger PayPal's interest isn't what we'd necessarily consider "high". Hopefully, anyway. I'm still disappointed anyone did.

[agathokakological]

I don't think the charity was the original goal, even if that sounds awful. I think the goal was to show that RetakeME3 supporters are willing to raise a lot of money for a proper ending, in a tangible way, and then letting that money go to a worthy cause.

[CavScout]

Nuclear Pete wrote...

deimosmasque wrote...

Nuclear Pete wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Nuclear Pete wrote...

How is this any differant to McDonald's supporting charities?

You really see RetakeME as a corporation?

Not really the point, mate.

Those that donated only voiced dissatisfaction with a game. Nobody is profiting from this.

To turn away money like that makes no sense.

That would be the point right there.   They didn't all donate because they believed in Child's Play.  They did it to voice their own cause.

Both parties benefit. thats the point...

CP didn't want to be a shield for RetakeME3, that's their point...

[Thornne]

Well, it is their charity. If they don't want to take money from certain groups, that is their call.

Now, that doesn't mean you cannot donate to Child's Play in the name of Retake, you just can't do it 'officially' in a way that's tallied for everyone to see, I guess. It's not like Child's Play knows you're part of Retake if you donate as an individual. And donating to Child's Play is a win either way.

[McScroggz24]

Silveralen wrote...

McScroggz24 wrote...

I read what Jamie said, and while it saddens me that it happens I have to agree with her point. Imagine this, the charity continues with ReME3, then another group starts a fund as part of a Artistic Integrity for ME3 writers. It's easy to say that both are for charity so they can coexist but the nature of what they start for are at odds with one another. Also, just the name Retake Mass Effect 3 implies, nay states that while the money is for a good cause ultimately ulterior motives are the end goal.

Actually, that would have been perfect. We could hav channeled the vitrol into a competition to raise more money.

Honestly, my opinion of it always was that it was silly, but some people will donate to it jwho normally wouldn't because it supports the retake. Which is always good. I give a annual donation anyways, but I know this probably convinced more than a few people to donate.

I guess I don't understand why he wouldn't want to milk that group for extra money. Some people normally don't, this was gettng them too. It gets more money in, so who cares? I guess he just hates the movement to much to milk it for cash? That doesn't even make sense.

I don't think a charity should milk money from supporters. Maybe some do, maybe most do I don't know. Charity SHOULD be about altruism not personal gain. I didn't donate because I knew that it would have manifested from a desire to get attention for better endings and it didn't sit right with me though I think CP is an awesome charity.

[deimosmasque]

Maria Caliban wrote...

deimosmasque wrote...


The problem is indentifying why they donated in the first place.

1. You'll never know.
2. It doesn't matter.

Your mostly right on the first part, on the second you are wrong.  If someone donated because they thought they were donating to something else (IE the Retake Mass Effect ideal of new or atleast more coherent endings) then Child's Play can be considered fraudlent for taking their money.

[IndustrializedTaco]

Tyrzun wrote...

Calm down people and read this. He flat out says he supports our cause!

Stop with the freaking attacks! You all should damn well apologize for saying anything about people that have been doing that charity for years!

That is NOT holding the line, it's attacking people that do not deserve it!

"You have almost certainly heard of “Retake Mass Effect” by now. One of many grassroots efforts to get a new ending to Mass Effect 3, it’s part community, part online petition, and part (here is where things get complicated) Child’s Play Donation Drive. They have stopped taking donations now partly because they basically won and partly because we don’t know how to feel about this use of the charity.

As the main point of contact for Child’s Play, Jamie has been buried under mail about this situation. Apparently some of the people giving to the cause seemed to think that they were paying for a new ending to Mass Effect. She’s been asked what the goal is, and how much they need to raise in order to get the ending produced. We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back. This is in addition to readers who simply couldn’t understand how this was connected to Child’s Play’s mission. We were dealing with a lot of very confused people, more every day, and that told us we had a problem.

We have policies in place to deal with direct abuse: we don’t allow companies to use Child’s Play in order to sell more stuff. To that end we do not allow deals like “1 cent of every dollar goes to Child’s Play!” or whatever. But this isn’t anywhere on that continuum! This is a passionate community that formed around one thing, and some of that passion was expressed in charitable giving. I actually support this cause, but I am a pessimist, and I’m thinking about the next time something like this happens - when someone attaches Child’s Play to something we can’t get behind, or leverages your history of generosity and fellow feeling for their own weird bull****. So, we need to have something like a policy on this. This is the best way I can think to say it:

Child’s Play cannot be a tool to draw attention to a cause. Child’s Play must be the Cause.

Nothing like this has ever happened in the almost ten years the charity has been running, so it kind of threw me for a loop. Thanks for listening."

http://www.penny-arcade.com/

By allowing US to be a part of that charity at all they helped us a ton! They got us our first big news notice. They are getting into a sticky situation being associated with the Retake movement as they explain above. They also think we have won and we don't need their help anymore.

IF you care about the kids you can still give them money and you should. They didn't shut it down. Just made their lives easier. By associating with us their lives obviously more difficult if you read.

None of you complaining have the "kids" as your priority.  If your cared you'd still give those kids the money even though YOU don't get anything out of it.  

The trolls don't need to make us seem bad, nothing they could ever say could make us look as bad as some of the comments in this thread.

Okay my rage is re-directed. I'm sorry PA. Now I'm angry at stupid people!

[Midarc2nd]

dcal31 wrote...

And finally, a quote.

"Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience."

Now, that I like.

Anyway.
Focus on the positive folks.
We did good.
Leave it at that.

[Nyila]

ticklefist wrote...

Nyila wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

 "We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back." - Tycho

How EMBARRASSING. If that was you, **** you. Seriously.

How can you be sure that's a true statement? I mean, is there a way to be certain people are asking for refunds? And if they really are, is it wrong of them to give the money to another charity that isn't linked with all this political bull****?

For the first part of the question: Then I guess nobody has to **** themselves, problem solved. As for the second part, it's charity. Not your stock portfolio. You don't move your money around.

I'm just having a hard time taking his word for it. If Paypal tells someone else that people are asking for refunds, then I'll believe it.

[wook77]

Look, if you'd like to continue to donate, do so. If they ask where they can send the acknowledgment form, give them the corporate address for BioWare/EA. It's a simple way of getting the message across as the mail comes in.

So donate. Know that you're doing a good thing. AND get that card sent to the company. In the end, the important part is getting the kids some help.

[RogueBot]

OP, I give you props for the way you've handled this thread, especially with your edit. I know some people might have used the momentum here to personally attack Child's Play and Penny Arcade. Even though you did ask them if they were out of their minds, you've admitted you were wrong to say that and that's cool.

Modifié par RogueBot, 23 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[CronoDragoon]

RedShft wrote...

Yeah, I never understood why Retake was donating money to charity other than as some sort of publicity stunt. Your motivation is in no way connected to Childs Play.

This is actually a gross abuse of charities and you guys should have really thought this through before you decided on this course of action.

I agree 100% with the founders of Child's Play.

Kayjin23 wrote...

You know a lot of the posts in this thread are just proving that at least some people WERE using the charity as a shield. There's no reason to stop donating money if you want to donate money to help children. ALL they are asking is that you please stop trying to use it to support Retake Mass Effect 3. If so many of you will only donate when you can donate it under that banner, how are you NOT using it as a shield?

 

This is true. It's pretty sickening behaviour.

The soldier who donated her daily food money shortly before shipping out did it as a publicity stunt? Most of you people who think it was done for one purely selfish reason never even went into that thread at length, I wager.

[Actinguy1]

Marixus99.9 wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...

I've editted the original post to include Tycho's link (which was posted AFTER my convo with Gabe), plus a few other items.

Thanks. You got my message?

Yeah, yours was probably the fifth one saying the same thing.  ;c)