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[Actinguy1]

Tyrzun wrote...

OP please please delete this thread or at least change the topic into something resembling gibberish!

It's obvious no mods are on and these people are burying the Retake movement!!!!

I'm not sure what you're asking me to do, or why you're asking me to do it.  I have editted the original post to include Tycho's more reasonable response, my own apology for initailly reacting with anger, and urging people not to use this as an attack on a worthy charity.  What more would you have me do?

Are there some knuckleheads in here?  Of course.  Show me a forum thread where there isn't.

[SamFlagg]

charmedmeat wrote...

SamFlagg wrote...

charmedmeat wrote...

Kayjin23 wrote...

You know a lot of the posts in this thread are just proving that at least some people WERE using the charity as a shield. There's no reason to stop donating money if you want to donate money to help children. ALL they are asking is that you please stop trying to use it to support Retake Mass Effect 3. If so many of you will only donate when you can donate it under that banner, how are you NOT using it as a shield?

WHY IS USING THE CHARITY AS A SHIELD A PROBLEM?!?  

There seems to be this innate assumption that this is a bad thing.  It happens all the time.  It would be one thing for an extremely negative or controversial group to be doing this, but a group trying to combat negative stereotypes about gamers, donating money as a way to channel anger into a charity designed to combat negative stereotypes about gamers is not it.

Look, if I have money, and I can donate it to a charity, or I can donate it to a charity AND have it be tallied as part of RetakeME, I'm going to choose the latter right now.

That said, the PA folks have every right to say what they will do with their charity.  I disagree with many of their assertions in their statement, but again it's their call.  I do have to point out that this charity has been used by them to promote and support both PA and PAX, so I consider this move very hypocritical on their part.

The fact that people use charity as a shield is not a defense for doing so.  It is a good philosophical arguement to have, but like all philosophical arguements the time to have them is not right when controversy is at it's highest, because then it all gets mired in the politics of the situation and actual discussion of the issue becomes irrelevant.

If we've got any hope of not coming out of this like the bad guy, we shouldn't be trying to defend those who used it as a shield, or go on the offensive against PA. 

We should be meeting in the middle.  Shaking hands, donate the 80,000 and then say we were pleased to be a part of it.

THIS IS THE TIME TO DO GOOD, NOT SETTLE SCORES.

I agree with your points.  Now, where exactly did I state we should go on any offensive?  If anything, we should find another charity ASAP to hit 100K!

Sorry, my first comment I think was to you, and then the rest of the post was sort of a general attempt to diffuse everything in the rest of the thread.  (Apologies as I can see how upon rereading it it looks like I'm calling you out specifically)

[NeecHMonkeY]

defenestrated wrote...

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

Wow... just wow.

I hope they refunded the money that was raised.

Why? We didn't donate it with strings attached, did we? It's still going to sick kids.

Sorry, I should have worded that better.

I just meant, I hope they (Penny Arcade) didn't take the money. I assumed that if the charity was shut for RetakeME that they also wouldn't be accepting the money already raised from the group. If that was the case, it should be redistributed to another charity... or several other charities.

If it still goes toward the Child's Play charity and they're just not accepting further donations, that's fine

[VettoRyouzou]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

defenestrated wrote...

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

Wow... just wow.

I hope they refunded the money that was raised.

Why? We didn't donate it with strings attached, did we? It's still going to sick kids.

Sorry, I should have worded that better.

I just meant, I hope they (Penny Arcade) didn't take the money. I assumed that if the charity was shut for RetakeME that they also wouldn't be accepting the money already raised from the group. If that was the case, it should be redistributed to another charity... or several other charities.

If it still goes toward the Child's Play charity and they're just not accepting further donations, that's fine

By law it has to go to CP, nor would I ever say PA would even do that, that beyond low.

You may disagree with there viewpoint but never assume some one that low.

[M12311]

Actinguy1 wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

OP please please delete this thread or at least change the topic into something resembling gibberish!

It's obvious no mods are on and these people are burying the Retake movement!!!!

I'm not sure what you're asking me to do, or why you're asking me to do it.  I have editted the original post to include Tycho's more reasonable response, my own apology for initailly reacting with anger, and urging people not to use this as an attack on a worthy charity.  What more would you have me do?

Are there some knuckleheads in here?  Of course.  Show me a forum thread where there isn't.

Don't you dare deleting this thread. If anything Quietness should delete that other stupid one.

[CavScout]

CyanidPontifex wrote...

If they don't want us, I'm sure there are other charities we can get behind.

The kids are still there. You can still donate to CP. This wasn't about the ME3 ending, was it?

[Actinguy1]

Editted the OP one last time to clarify my own personal position: 

My own personal view is that I understand Child's Play's position (now that Tycho has added new details)...but that I am still insulted. I was insulted in how they've covered the story to begin with (acting like authority figures when they admit in their tv series that they are only casual fans), and this is the icing on the cake. People are free to continue to donate to Child's Play. This is their right. I will take my dollars where they are appreciated. This is my right. Child's Play remains a worthy charity...there are also others.

Modifié par Actinguy1, 23 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[Geirahod]

CavScout wrote...

Geirahod wrote...

Now I get it.

But seriously, who cares if the donations were to get attention??, our main goal was to make kids happy.

If that was the main goal, then I hope you and others keep donating. If the donations stop because of this action then the main goal was RetakeME3.

I always give money to charities, well its little because I can't afford to give more, but it helps and it feels good to think that with that little you were helping other people (specially kids) to have a better life.

There's a lot of bull**** in this world, so I'm glad that we were united by something crappy and we turned it into something good.
Like I said, I didn't knew what Child's play was before I joined the movement, sadly I live in other place of the earth, but now that I know...I'll keep helping with everything I can...

and I say it again, with our movement we did a lot of publicity to the charity too...so it wasn't all "yeah, the whiners from the RTM were getting attention thanks to our charity".

In any case, complain about us helping kids is so damn stupid (but that again, is their decision, stupid and dumb...but their decision), it doesn't matter the reasons....the only thing that matters is that we did it for a good cause.

[RedShft]

CronoDragoon wrote...

RedShft wrote...

You obviously can't or won't see it from the non-profits perspective. You have no say in it, you're wrong. The founders of CP don't like how you handled their organization, get over it.

Calling it a mistake implies that you would hop in a time travel machine and prevent that 80k from going to Child's Play. If that's how you really feel, so be it.

It's a mistake to use a nonprofit in this manner: 

Child’s Play cannot be a tool to draw attention to a cause.  Child’s Play must be the Cause.[/b] 

Your motivation behind your cause must coincide with the motivation behind the nonprofit you are raising money for. Otherwise, your cause and use of CP will be perceived as a political manuver to raise awareness.

[dcal31]

Actinguy1 wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

OP please please delete this thread or at least change the topic into something resembling gibberish!

It's obvious no mods are on and these people are burying the Retake movement!!!!

I'm not sure what you're asking me to do, or why you're asking me to do it.  I have editted the original post to include Tycho's more reasonable response, my own apology for initailly reacting with anger, and urging people not to use this as an attack on a worthy charity.  What more would you have me do?

Are there some knuckleheads in here?  Of course.  Show me a forum thread where there isn't.

"There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it." - Larry Niven

90% of the people in this thread (on both sides of the arguement) are trying to reign in said followers.

[Nilofeliu]

People please,

Stay Civil,
Be Polite..

We are all gamers here, and though we might not agree on everything, we must learn to agree to disagree.

Here is FORBES latest article regarding the Child's Play drive..

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/

I may not agree with the Child's Play decision, but it is their decision to make, and I must respect that.

On a last note, for those of us who have been on the RetakeME3 from the very beginning, and talked about the fund raiser before it began, it was always about helping the children. We didn't think about getting publicity, we didn't think about showing we are respectable. In the beginning it was just about a simple thought "if we can't be happy playing ME3 at least we can make some children happy!"

Whatever further reasons are attached to the Child's Play's donations came afterwards and it was never our intention to make it so. Mostly these attachments were "manufactured" by the press in general trying to discredit the movement, but once again I say it had nothing to do with Child's PLay.It was our decision to donate, and we felt good about it just for the sake of donating.

For those of you asking for you money back, shame on you. How can you even look yourself in the mirror? This wasn't about you, or me, the ME3. It was about the kids, and that's how it should have ended.

Anyhow, despite everything those of us who wanted to donate did it, and we are happy about it. I hope in the future those who didn't know about Child's Play will keep donating to them , even if you dissagree with their policy, as I do, because it isn't about them either, it's all about the kids...

/Salute

[MissMaster_2]

Wait! what do they have to do with the charity?

[Silveralen]

Qutayba wrote...

It's already been posted in this thread, but if you have not already, please read Tycho's explanation.  It makes a lot of sense.  It wasn't just the political use of the charity.  It was becoming a logistical nightmare, and a lot of donors didn't quite understand what they were signing up for.  These are reasons enough.

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect

I'm disappointed, too, but let's recognize class when you see it.  They kept it going as long as they could.  If it was indeed political, they would have stopped it last week.

We did the right thing by giving, but so did they.  Do NOT troll them.

None of us suggested trolling. I personally suggested use this to our benefit. Afterall, places like penny arcade use misrepresentations about our opinions, say that all we want is a super happy ending, to mock us, which is in turn used by outher sources to discredit us.

I would never suggest lieing or misleading anyone however. We simply state facts. We were trying to do something for a good cause. We raised alot of money. It was cut short in part due to a group that has already shown a bias against us (keep this on penny arcade). Not being assoiatd with us was more important than ensuring a large steady stream of doantions from our drive. Personally, I was made to feel as though our money was unwelcome.

See? That is a rather reasonable group of statements, don't you agree?

[RedShft]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Wait! what do they have to do with the charity?

They are the co-founders of the charity.

[longtimecoming00]

If integrity of the charity was so important to them, then why did it take this long for them to tell you guys to stop?

[SamFlagg]

M12311 wrote...

Qutayba wrote...

It's already been posted in this thread, but if you have not already, please read Tycho's explanation.  It makes a lot of sense.  It wasn't just the political use of the charity.  It was becoming a logistical nightmare, and a lot of donors didn't quite understand what they were signing up for.  These are reasons enough.

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect

I'm disappointed, too, but let's recognize class when you see it.  They kept it going as long as they could.  If it was indeed political, they would have stopped it last week.

We did the right thing by giving, but so did they.  Do NOT troll them.

They posted that excuse 9 hours AFTER the main donation thread announced that Penny Arcade pressured them to end the donation drive.

If you honestly think that they're out and out evil.  Then this is your chance to be the bigger person.

Please recognize that all of this is a very rapidly evolving situation and none of it is nearly so cut and dry as in our heart of hearts we'd like it to be.

We did good.  They protected their long term charitable interests.  This is a time for celebration.  Not for back biting.

[bucyrus5000]

Don't take this the wrong way, but the Retakers are not villains here either. Sure we used the cause to rally around, but only in the context of consolidating the movement while raising money for a remotely similar noble cause. Essentially trying to develop solidarity though a charitable drive. No one is suggesting that money was fraudulently siphoned off. If there were a few people who gave money to CP thinking it would buy them a new ME3 ending, then that is on them for not reading what was written.

[Tyrzun]

Actinguy1 wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

OP please please delete this thread or at least change the topic into something resembling gibberish!

It's obvious no mods are on and these people are burying the Retake movement!!!!

I'm not sure what you're asking me to do, or why you're asking me to do it.  I have editted the original post to include Tycho's more reasonable response, my own apology for initailly reacting with anger, and urging people not to use this as an attack on a worthy charity.  What more would you have me do?

Are there some knuckleheads in here?  Of course.  Show me a forum thread where there isn't.

You're post is fine.  Trolls have control of this thread.

They are making it clear they don't care about the kids.  <----- The media has been paying attention to this whole thing.  IF just one source takes one of these posts and runs with it, about how Retake pretended to care about kids charity to get noticed.

We will have lost all good will.  We will have become the entitled whinner. 

Can you think of a lower form of life than someone that would use kids for their own beneift?  That's what people will assume we all are.

When "Defenders" troll us we have responses that defend are movement... we cannot defend what these people are saying.  Let's get another charity... AKA we aren't getting anything out of it, so lets use ANOTHER charity that will mention us.  Exploting kids is unacceptable to everyone.  They'll think that's why Retake started giving to the charity in the first place.  

If you can't delete it, I asked you to change the title to something totally off topic and keep doing it. if they keep trying to damage the cause more till it sinks away into the nothing where it belongs.

You don't have to, of course.  It's not your fault, I'm just asking you to do something about it, because they are intent on their course.  Shows they don't care about Holding the Line at all.

You'll notice the trolls intent on sinking the movment said don't delete it.  That's all you really need to know.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 23 mars 2012 - 06:31 .

[ericjdev]

You people are killing retake. No civility, no self control, you prove every crappy thing the media has accused us of, shame on you.

[Mushufasa1512]

I doubt those kids care what cause was behind the money donated to them. Its a damn shame politics always seem to get in the way.

[Actinguy1]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Wait! what do they have to do with the charity?

They are the co-founders.

[McScroggz24]

RedShft wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

RedShft wrote...

You obviously can't or won't see it from the non-profits perspective. You have no say in it, you're wrong. The founders of CP don't like how you handled their organization, get over it.

Calling it a mistake implies that you would hop in a time travel machine and prevent that 80k from going to Child's Play. If that's how you really feel, so be it.

It's a mistake to use a nonprofit in this manner: 

Child’s Play cannot be a tool to draw attention to a cause.  Child’s Play must be the Cause.[/b] 

Your motivation behind your cause must coincide with the motivation behind the nonprofit you are raising money for. Otherwise, your cause and use of CP will be perceived as a political manuver to raise awareness.

This should /thread.
But it won't.

[Tyrzun]

ericjdev wrote...

You people are killing retake. No civility, no self control, you prove every crappy thing the media has accused us of, shame on you.

They aren't Retake members, but trolls.  Trying to destroy us from the inside, because they are angry we are winning.

Anyone supporting our cause or that cares about kids would never ever say this garbage.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 23 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[CROAT_56]

2 things op that was painfully rude and unwarranted and secondly just cuz they closed the remake page doesn't mean don't donate this is a great charity and the kids deserve and appreciative anything.

[Revanmug]

Quietness wrote...

CavScout wrote...
CP didn't want to be a shield for RetakeME3, that's their point...

Jesus you are as f**** thick as the people who think we did it to give the money to bioware. If you took any time out, you would have found out that it was used for people to take all that crap feeling (as lots of people were incredibly depressed,frustrated, and just plain angry) and turn it into something good.

Can you please stop answering to the retards? You are simply making yourself look dumber and dumber. Leave him be what he likes to be. Nothing will change it.

The goal with the charity is pretty much done anyway so I really don't the idea of dragging this subject. The only consequence of dragging this down is brigging the reputation increase back in the hole. Our work is done here. Now, there are others mather to take care then cry and moan.

Still feel the need to donate? Do so but I suggest somewhere else really. Nothing wrong in sharing your charity.

On this... Hold the line.