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[M12311]

longtimecoming00 wrote...

If integrity of the charity was so important to them, then why did it take this long for them to tell you guys to stop?

I guess EA got scared the donation drive was raising $5,000 a day with no slowing down in sight.

[SamFlagg]

longtimecoming00 wrote...

If integrity of the charity was so important to them, then why did it take this long for them to tell you guys to stop?

Be the bigger people damn it.

Can't all of you see what you're doing?  You're taking an expression of positive good will and turning it in to political backbiting.

Don't mar what good we did because of this.

Understand their position about the long term impact this could have on the charity, and move on.

Keep donating to them, or donating to others, but move on from your anger.

Anger at Bioware for the endings is productive.
Anger over this is not.

[deimosmasque]

bucyrus5000 wrote...

Don't take this the wrong way, but the Retakers are not villains here either. Sure we used the cause to rally around, but only in the context of consolidating the movement while raising money for a remotely similar noble cause. Essentially trying to develop solidarity though a charitable drive. No one is suggesting that money was fraudulently siphoned off. If there were a few people who gave money to CP thinking it would buy them a new ME3 ending, then that is on them for not reading what was written.

No one is the villian here.  Not Penny Arcade and Child's Play or the Retake Mass Effect group.  It's just what happened.

[GigaTheToast]

Very, very reasonable, I always thought the concept was a little iffy. Though I did take this opportunity to chip in $5, I'd been putting off donating for too long and I figured this would also make a statement.

Wow, people actually thought this was a fundraiser for a new ending? That's both funny and sad. Though I gotta imagine how it would have gone down if this money actually WAS going to the game, $80K mighta been enough to fund the whole thing.

[leondes1]

Tyrzun wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

OP please please delete this thread or at least change the topic into something resembling gibberish!

It's obvious no mods are on and these people are burying the Retake movement!!!!

I'm not sure what you're asking me to do, or why you're asking me to do it.  I have editted the original post to include Tycho's more reasonable response, my own apology for initailly reacting with anger, and urging people not to use this as an attack on a worthy charity.  What more would you have me do?

Are there some knuckleheads in here?  Of course.  Show me a forum thread where there isn't.

You're post is fine.  Trolls have control of this thread.

They are making it clear they don't care about the kids.  <----- The media has been paying attention to this whole thing.  IF just one source takes one of these posts and runs with it, about how Retake pretended to care about kids charity to get noticed.

We will have lost all good will.  We will have become the entitled whinner. 

Can you think of a lower form of life than someone that would use kids for their own beneift?  That's what people will assume we all are.

When "Defenders" troll us we have responses that defend are movement... we cannot defend what these people are saying.  Let's get another charity... AKA we aren't getting anything out of it, so lets use ANOTHER charity that will mention us.  Exploting kids is unacceptable to everyone.  They'll think that's why Retake started giving to the charity in the first place.  

If you can't delete it, I asked you to change the title to something totally off topic and keep doing it. if they keep trying to damage the cause more till it sinks away into the nothing where it belongs.

You don't have to, of course.  It's not your fault, I'm just asking you to do something about it, because they are intent on their course.  Shows they don't care about Holding the Line at all.

You'll notice the trolls intent on sinking the movment said don't delete it.  That's all you really need to know.

Quit feeding them, it has been reported, get out now.

[SpiritReaver72]

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

SpiritReaver72 wrote...

We can't still donate money to Child's Play without it needing to be attached to our movement. By acting this way instead of posting a link to the charity and encouraging people to donate directly we are in fact reinforcing the view that we're using the charity as a shield. If the goal is to do something good with our energy then we can still donate to Child's Play. Nothings changed except our acknowledgement. Either we choose to do use our anger constructively and use good for good's sake or we act the way people are accusing us of and use another charity to bolster our cause. I don't think donating to Child's Play the way we were was us using a shield to protect us against negative stereotypes. Emotions were too high and we were nowhere near organized enough to think in such a calculated manner. But moving away from our already picked charity and picking another one because we're not getting the recognition is calculated.

No good deed goes unpunished. But those kids deserve every penny of what was coming to them. Regardless of the way the movement used it as a shield and regardless of how he used it simply to disarm your movement, taking it away from the children is wrong. Bottom line.

Seriously? I just said it doesn't have to go away, we can keep doing it. We just won't get the pat on the back. No one is taking the option away from anyone. I just think the community needs to highlight and push that.

[CheeseEnchilada]

deimosmasque wrote...

No one is the villian here.  Not Penny Arcade and Child's Play or the Retake Mass Effect group.  It's just what happened.

Quoted for great justice. $80,000 is going to children in need, and the drive is over now. The kids win, and now it's time for everyone to stay civil and move on. I encourage everyone to donate regardless; just because the Retake banner isn't attached doesn't mean we can't still do some good.

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 23 mars 2012 - 06:35 .

[defenestrated]

SamFlagg wrote...

Be the bigger people damn it.

Can't all of you see what you're doing?  You're taking an expression of positive good will and turning it in to political backbiting.

Don't mar what good we did because of this.

Understand their position about the long term impact this could have on the charity, and move on.

Keep donating to them, or donating to others, but move on from your anger.

Anger at Bioware for the endings is productive.
Anger over this is not.

Seriously, thank you for your posts.

[McScroggz24]

Revanmug not everyone who is incapable of writing eloquently and also disagrees with a general consensus is a troll. And for that matter I'd say it's impossible to know how many supported ReME3 for the right reasons and who didn't. That's part of the reason right there.

[Ultra Prism]

Stupid retards....I cant say anymore...some people are dumbos....We got so many donations and made people aware about it .... now they shut us off....

[Actinguy1]

Tyrzun wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

OP please please delete this thread or at least change the topic into something resembling gibberish!

It's obvious no mods are on and these people are burying the Retake movement!!!!

I'm not sure what you're asking me to do, or why you're asking me to do it.  I have editted the original post to include Tycho's more reasonable response, my own apology for initailly reacting with anger, and urging people not to use this as an attack on a worthy charity.  What more would you have me do?

Are there some knuckleheads in here?  Of course.  Show me a forum thread where there isn't.

You're post is fine.  Trolls have control of this thread.

They are making it clear they don't care about the kids.  <----- The media has been paying attention to this whole thing.  IF just one source takes one of these posts and runs with it, about how Retake pretended to care about kids charity to get noticed.

We will have lost all good will.  We will have become the entitled whinner. 

Can you think of a lower form of life than someone that would use kids for their own beneift?  That's what people will assume we all are.

When "Defenders" troll us we have responses that defend are movement... we cannot defend what these people are saying.  Let's get another charity... AKA we aren't getting anything out of it, so lets use ANOTHER charity that will mention us.  Exploting kids is unacceptable to everyone.  They'll think that's why Retake started giving to the charity in the first place.  

If you can't delete it, I asked you to change the title to something totally off topic and keep doing it. if they keep trying to damage the cause more till it sinks away into the nothing where it belongs.

You don't have to, of course.  It's not your fault, I'm just asking you to do something about it, because they are intent on their course.  Shows they don't care about Holding the Line at all.

You'll notice the trolls intent on sinking the movment said don't delete it.  That's all you really need to know.

I understand your intent...but an organization with no clear leader or spokesperson will always be misrepresented by it's own followers.  They might say that it is you who is misrepresenting the organization.  That is simply the case with any leaderless group of people (Tea Party, Occupy, Anonymous, etc.) .  Hopefully, debates like these will help us make decisions as a group.  Personally, I'll take my donating dollars elsewhere.  I won't continue to make it a "retake" thing, but I also won't reward Mike and Jerry (Gabe and Tycho).  I'll find other kids to help.

[MissMaster_2]

RedShft wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Wait! what do they have to do with the charity?

They are the co-founders of the charity.

That is bull. lol. For real. Donate to another charity. Stay the to the plan.

hold the line.

[Vergil_dgk]

I understand where they are coming from, but this really hurts us. It makes all gamers look bad. I wish they would have either stopped it at the beginning or stayed the course and then said "never again". Damn.

[Geirahod]

longtimecoming00 wrote...

If integrity of the charity was so important to them, then why did it take this long for them to tell you guys to stop?

because it was convinient...and now that the matter went out ot their hands...they "shut us down"

Or that's the most accurate answer that I can elaborate.

Still, It felt good to help kids....but, somehow now that I think of it, I feel bad for them....mostly because they look evil now (reasons or whatever)....

[maki0129]

SamFlagg wrote...

Something good was accomplished with all of this. 80,000 was raised.

DO NOT.  I repeat DO NOT try and tarnish it by calling out the charity because you think we should be able to dictate their long term interests.

DO NOT. I reapeat DO NOT try and rationalize or approve of or do anything less than call the utter hypocratic bull**** of anyone who tried to get their money back from a charitable donation.

THIS DRIVE WAS SOMETHING GOOD.

Each one of us can be proud that we did something good with it.  We're going to receive flak from all sides, some logic and some not.

But each one of us can stand tall.  Say I'm glad the money we raised went to a good cause.  And then move on.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES ALLOW YOURSELF TO GET MIRED IN SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE
TO BE A QUAGMIRE!

*format edited because quagmire seems to drop off the page.*

This.

For the record, I donate to Child's Play every year. I had a little brother in the hospital with terminal cancer, so the first time I heard of their charity it moved to tears, I have donated every year to Child's Play ever since, consistently every year.

This year, I did it through the re-take mass effect movement.

There is nothing wrong with the decision Tycho and Gabe have made, and as hard as it is, we must accept that him and Gabe made the move they felt was right to keep their charity going. 

The fault here lies on the retake mass effect donors who donated without taking time to research what they were giving money for, and most specially to the ****s that tried to claim their money back.

We accomplished something good with this drive, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, and Tycho and Gabe HELPED us IMMEASURABLY in doing so.

But as all good things, it had to come to a close. It's not a fair way for it to end, but it's not Tycho or Gabe's fault. We can at least hold our head high knowing that we accomplished something great though, by turning our love for Mass Effect and outrage about the ending, into something positive, constructive and BEAUTIFUL.

And to those who tried to take their donations back?

I hope you trip down some stairs and break every bone in your body then fall eye first into a spiky ******.

Cheers.

[spacefiddle]

Actinguy1 wrote...
Are there some knuckleheads in here?  Of course.  Show me a forum thread where there isn't.

Can I make this my sig?

I've only now, I assume, seen your completely edited / updated OP.  Very brave of you to keep it honest with your own words, and take ownership of the, uh, suboptimal way the convo started, and I mean that seriously.  I would hope that at this point, anyone who actually READS all the info there, especially Tycho's most recent post you link, sees there's nothing nefarious here.

If you have people calling your charity for kids in hospitals, asking about when the filming starts, that's bad.  If nimrods are actually doing CHARGEBACKS to un-donate, that's worse, but it's more than just the loss of potential donations.  Chargebacks are not something you want to happen on your merchant account, and would YOU want to try to explain all this to Bank of America?

I say all this as someone who was really, really critical of PA's snark to us from the start (and no longer really consider myself a PA fan).  But the facts above remain the facts, and I do not for a second believe that they would make all this &^*)#@?!! up just to cancel a drive that's already been quite successful.

As for the additional snark about "took a game to donate," bite me.  Let me know how much you've donated to charities in the last year, and we'll compare.  Pro tip: don't bother if it's under a grand.

[Claym0re]

That technically says everything how they look on our "positive feedback".

[deimosmasque]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

deimosmasque wrote...

No one is the villian here.  Not Penny Arcade and Child's Play or the Retake Mass Effect group.  It's just what happened.

Quoted for great justice. $80,000 is going to children in need, and the drive is over now. The kids win, and now it's time for everyone to stay civil and move on. I encourage everyone to donate regardless; just because the Retake banner isn't attached doesn't mean we can't still do some good.

Exactly.  The Retakers did a good thing.  Child's Play decided to stay out of the quagmire of the ME3 Endings debate.  All was good on all sides.  PA isn't a tool of Bioware of EA.  The Retakers are not entitled brats.  

The End.

[Boceephus]

I'm a bit confused by the timing. PA said they support the cause but don't want future causes attached they might not agree with. Fair enough. But wasn't this drive self-capped to end in a couple weeks anyway? Might as well let the clock run out and then quietly change your charter.

Oh well. We dun good people! This is not a time to rage, it's a time to pat each other on the back for getting 80k to kids who need it.

now, BACK TO THE LINE.

[M12311]

Vergil_dgk wrote...

I understand where they are coming from, but this really hurts us. It makes all gamers look bad. I wish they would have either stopped it at the beginning or stayed the course and then said "never again". Damn.

Exactly.

[Lugaidster]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I have to agree though. It took a video game ending to get people to donate.

That was the whole point. Channel negative emotions to positive actions. When you take a psychopath on jail and teach him to draw so he can channel his negative emotions into art, you don't complain on the why. The result is positive action.

[SamFlagg]

Boceephus wrote...

I'm a bit confused by the timing. PA said they support the cause but don't want future causes attached they might not agree with. Fair enough. But wasn't this drive self-capped to end in a couple weeks anyway? Might as well let the clock run out and then quietly change your charter.

Oh well. We dun good people! This is not a time to rage, it's a time to pat each other on the back for getting 80k to kids who need it.

now, BACK TO THE LINE.

My guess is like everything else it was snowballing out of control, I mean look at how everything has happened in the 2 weeks post launch, they probably figured that there was no way to make it till 2 weeks from now without it all going south.

[Silveralen]

Tyrzun wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

OP please please delete this thread or at least change the topic into something resembling gibberish!

It's obvious no mods are on and these people are burying the Retake movement!!!!

I'm not sure what you're asking me to do, or why you're asking me to do it.  I have editted the original post to include Tycho's more reasonable response, my own apology for initailly reacting with anger, and urging people not to use this as an attack on a worthy charity.  What more would you have me do?

Are there some knuckleheads in here?  Of course.  Show me a forum thread where there isn't.

You're post is fine.  Trolls have control of this thread.

They are making it clear they don't care about the kids.  <----- The media has been paying attention to this whole thing.  IF just one source takes one of these posts and runs with it, about how Retake pretended to care about kids charity to get noticed.

We will have lost all good will.  We will have become the entitled whinner. 

Can you think of a lower form of life than someone that would use kids for their own beneift?  That's what people will assume we all are.

When "Defenders" troll us we have responses that defend are movement... we cannot defend what these people are saying.  Let's get another charity... AKA we aren't getting anything out of it, so lets use ANOTHER charity that will mention us.  Exploting kids is unacceptable to everyone.  They'll think that's why Retake started giving to the charity in the first place.  

If you can't delete it, I asked you to change the title to something totally off topic and keep doing it. if they keep trying to damage the cause more till it sinks away into the nothing where it belongs.

You don't have to, of course.  It's not your fault, I'm just asking you to do something about it, because they are intent on their course.  Shows they don't care about Holding the Line at all.

You'll notice the trolls intent on sinking the movment said don't delete it.  That's all you really need to know.

This is occuring because people ike you have no diea what you are talking about. Do you know why charity drives exisit? Because theywork better than normal donations!!!!!!!! They always do! You are letting people paint us this way, rather than explaining, or trying to understand, the logic behind it.

We don't want to donate to "buy" and ending, we want to show people we are capable of generosity. It is a duel goal. That is how it works when companies give donations to charities, or celebrities do. You create goodwill this way, it is nothing new.

My god, do people really have no idea how the world works? http://childsplaycha...unity-spotlight

Scroll to the bottom of the page. They have their sponsors ranked by how much the donated. Oh yeah, they totally disapprove of being used as a shield, lol what a joke!

[Actinguy1]

spacefiddle wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...
Are there some knuckleheads in here?  Of course.  Show me a forum thread where there isn't.

Can I make this my sig?

I've only now, I assume, seen your completely edited / updated OP.  Very brave of you to keep it honest with your own words, and take ownership of the, uh, suboptimal way the convo started, and I mean that seriously.  I would hope that at this point, anyone who actually READS all the info there, especially Tycho's most recent post you link, sees there's nothing nefarious here.

If you have people calling your charity for kids in hospitals, asking about when the filming starts, that's bad.  If nimrods are actually doing CHARGEBACKS to un-donate, that's worse, but it's more than just the loss of potential donations.  Chargebacks are not something you want to happen on your merchant account, and would YOU want to try to explain all this to Bank of America?

I say all this as someone who was really, really critical of PA's snark to us from the start (and no longer really consider myself a PA fan).  But the facts above remain the facts, and I do not for a second believe that they would make all this &^*)#@?!! up just to cancel a drive that's already been quite successful.

As for the additional snark about "took a game to donate," bite me.  Let me know how much you've donated to charities in the last year, and we'll compare.  Pro tip: don't bother if it's under a grand.

Thanks for the kind words, and you're welcome to the quote for your sig!  ;c)

[bucyrus5000]

deimosmasque wrote...

bucyrus5000 wrote...

Don't take this the wrong way, but the Retakers are not villains here either. Sure we used the cause to rally around, but only in the context of consolidating the movement while raising money for a remotely similar noble cause. Essentially trying to develop solidarity though a charitable drive. No one is suggesting that money was fraudulently siphoned off. If there were a few people who gave money to CP thinking it would buy them a new ME3 ending, then that is on them for not reading what was written.

No one is the villian here.  Not Penny Arcade and Child's Play or the Retake Mass Effect group.  It's just what happened.

Agreed

We should move on to find another charity if that is what the majority want, and only for the purpose of bringing people together.