526 réponses à ce sujet

[DemGeth]

Jesus OP what were you thinking with those tweets?

[Boceephus]

bucyrus5000 wrote...

We should move on to find another charity if that is what the majority want, and only for the purpose of bringing people together.

I love this idea. Let's just keep helping people who need it and showing the world that not all gamers fit the raging basement dweller stereotype.

[maki0129]

bucyrus5000 wrote...

Agreed

We should move on to find another charity if that is what the majority want, and only for the purpose of bringing people together.

We should probably get their permission first this time around though.

And put a big damn sign on it that says "You're not paying to get the new endings produced, you're just donating to charity to bring attention to our cause".

But I'm pretty sure there are plenty of charities to pick from that wouldn't turn back on this kind of help.

[McScroggz24]

maki0129 wrote...

SamFlagg wrote...

Something good was accomplished with all of this. 80,000 was raised.

DO NOT.  I repeat DO NOT try and tarnish it by calling out the charity because you think we should be able to dictate their long term interests.

DO NOT. I reapeat DO NOT try and rationalize or approve of or do anything less than call the utter hypocratic bull**** of anyone who tried to get their money back from a charitable donation.

THIS DRIVE WAS SOMETHING GOOD.

Each one of us can be proud that we did something good with it.  We're going to receive flak from all sides, some logic and some not.

But each one of us can stand tall.  Say I'm glad the money we raised went to a good cause.  And then move on.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES ALLOW YOURSELF TO GET MIRED IN SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE
TO BE A QUAGMIRE!

*format edited because quagmire seems to drop off the page.*

This.

For the record, I donate to Child's Play every year. I had a little brother in the hospital with terminal cancer, so the first time I heard of their charity it moved to tears, I have donated every year to Child's Play ever since, consistently every year.

This year, I did it through the re-take mass effect movement.

There is nothing wrong with the decision Tycho and Gabe have made, and as hard as it is, we must accept that him and Gabe made the move they felt was right to keep their charity going. 

The fault here lies on the retake mass effect donors who donated without taking time to research what they were giving money for, and most specially to the ****s that tried to claim their money back.

We accomplished something good with this drive, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, and Tycho and Gabe HELPED us IMMEASURABLY in doing so.

But as all good things, it had to come to a close. It's not a fair way for it to end, but it's not Tycho or Gabe's fault. We can at least hold our head high knowing that we accomplished something great though, by turning our love for Mass Effect and outrage about the ending, into something positive, constructive and BEAUTIFUL.

And to those who tried to take their donations back?

I hope you trip down some stairs and break every bone in your body then fall eye first into a spiky ******.

Cheers.

Very cool of you to do that, I'm in the same boat (the V Foundation) and I appreciate those with your sentiment. Maybe hoping somebody trips downs stairs is harsh, lol.

[crapmonster13]

Lugaidster wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I have to agree though. It took a video game ending to get people to donate.

That was the whole point. Channel negative emotions to positive actions. When you take a psychopath on jail and teach him to draw so he can channel his negative emotions into art, you don't complain on the why. The result is positive action.

Pretty much my thoughts.  I get why they shut it down though and I think its fine.  I think if anything, its more about them remaining neutral on the issue as opposed to being "against" us.

I say we just find another charity tbh and try and do more good.

[DemGeth]

mayrabgood wrote...

It's sad that this ended in this way but I am happy that the kids will benefit from what we did. I just don't exactly understand their reasoning for shutting it down.

That's why I have always just donated for animal charities. Animals never let you down. I don't know how that makes sense but what I'm trying to say is that humanity is such a let down sometimes.

This whole thing was setup bad don't let that discourage from giving to things in the future.  It's easy enough to do research online, find a cause you like, see where all the money goes (for the most part), how much is spent on AC.

[Xandurpein]

Xandurpein wrote...

Would it be unfair to speculate that some major Game producers, like maybe EA, donate a lot of big money to this charity and that EA have now threatened to withdraw their money?  

Edit: Apparently this was due to peole asking money back when they realized this was a charity, not money to actually somehow finance a new ending. Makes me sad people should act like that. Still, might as well man up and apologize to EA for my hasty words.

[SuperTeal]

Qutayba wrote...

I'm disappointed, too, but let's recognize class when you see it.  They kept it going as long as they could.  If it was indeed political, they would have stopped it last week.

I don't think this is true.  I think that when it started they said nothing because they didn't think it was going to grow to be this powerful of a movement.  I think that they saw how much steam the movement was gaining and they worried that it was going to become a headline article soon.

I think it's wrong to cancel a charity drive that is doing good, just because you don't agree with the movement behind the drive.  Childs Play has plenty of support from multiple sources - they have no good reason to worry about Retake Mass Effect damaging their reputation.  The only thing that makes sense to me is that their choice is partly political - and that's disgusting.

[M12311]

My god, do people really have no idea how the world works? http://childsplaycha...unity-spotlight

Scroll to the bottom of the page. They have their sponsors ranked by how much the donated. Oh yeah, they totally disapprove of being used as a shield, lol what a joke!

I have no problem with their original position about not wanting to be associated with a controversial cause.

But the moment Penny Arcade changed their excuse to "Take Back ME3 gamers are asking for the money back in high volume", they brought this to a whole other level. I cannot wait for this excuse to be picked up by the media tomorrow to show what Penny Arcade thinks about us gamers.

Shame on you.

[Hendrik.III]

They did WHAT?

They went: "Thanks for the cash guys, now gtfo."

I'm sorry, but....petty bastards. Seriously. Some respect might be due for supporting a mutual cause.
Child's Play was never a shield, for we don't need a damn shield! I call BS. 

HOLD THAT DAMN LINE 

(seriously pissed and trying to calm down...) 

Modifié par Hendrik.III, 23 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[Actinguy1]

DemGeth wrote...

Jesus OP what were you thinking with those tweets?

The first tweet was out of anger and betrayal.  The rest were my honest feelings about how they are losing touch with where they came from.

I apologize for my emotions in the editted OP.  I'm a human.  Sometimes, I feel things.  I try to own up to that.

[Renessa]

Wow - there must have been a lot of pressure on these guys. Heck, slowly I start understanding the negativity of the gamer sites. EA must be out in force.

They must have been shivering in their shoes, that the $100,000 might be cracked.

Who'd have thought EA would feel so threatened by the Retake movement?

[SamFlagg]

maki0129 wrote...

bucyrus5000 wrote...

Agreed

We should move on to find another charity if that is what the majority want, and only for the purpose of bringing people together.

We should probably get their permission first this time around though.

And put a big damn sign on it that says "You're not paying to get the new endings produced, you're just donating to charity to bring attention to our cause".

But I'm pretty sure there are plenty of charities to pick from that wouldn't turn back on this kind of help.

I'd actually recommend setting something like $5000 donation goals and rotating through charities.  That way we help the widest range while not bringing any one group into focus and accidently tying that charity to changing the ME3 ending.

[DemGeth]

crapmonster13 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I have to agree though. It took a video game ending to get people to donate.

That was the whole point. Channel negative emotions to positive actions. When you take a psychopath on jail and teach him to draw so he can channel his negative emotions into art, you don't complain on the why. The result is positive action.

Pretty much my thoughts.  I get why they shut it down though and I think its fine.  I think if anything, its more about them remaining neutral on the issue as opposed to being "against" us.

I say we just find another charity tbh and try and do more good.

I suggested this somewhere along the lines, but anyways all donations should be made by individuals in, in lieu, form.  If the charity is down, they will keep track of the numbers for you.  

[crapmonster13]

Woah, I wasn't even aware of people asking for their money back. That's a f*king shame.

[RedShft]

 I'm not sure why i'm posting this again, but you guys seem to miss the point here. 
Child's Play felt that you were using their charity as a tool for the retake movement. Why? Because the retake movement's intentions and motivations did not coincide with the mission of Child's Play.

For your reference here is the mission of Child's Play: 

Child's Play is dedicated to improving the lives of children in hospitals around the world through the kindness and generosity of the video game community and the power of play.

Their mission is to improve the lives of children in hospitals.

The retake movement's mission was to change the ending of ME3.

Do these missions coincide? NO.

Is this a problem? YES.

This is a problem because, by donating to CP, it is perceived AS A POLITICAL MANEUVER TO RAISE AWARENESS FOR YOUR MOVEMENT.

The only thing this is about, this discourse between Retake and CP, is Retakes perceived use of CP AS A TOOL.

[Maria Caliban]

Actinguy1 wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

Jesus OP what were you thinking with those tweets?

The first tweet was out of anger and betrayal.  The rest were my honest feelings about how they are losing touch with where they came from.

I apologize for my emotions in the editted OP.  I'm a human.  Sometimes, I feel things.  I try to own up to that.

It's fine. You don't owe anyone on this forum an apology.

[DemGeth]

Actinguy1 wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

Jesus OP what were you thinking with those tweets?

The first tweet was out of anger and betrayal.  The rest were my honest feelings about how they are losing touch with where they came from.

I apologize for my emotions in the editted OP.  I'm a human.  Sometimes, I feel things.  I try to own up to that.

Well, you seem like a nice guy, maybe you should do some a little work in your community for a day or two, it'd make you feel better.  I'm sure there's shelters where you live.  Those are tough things you said.

****And I really don't mean that in a mean or sarcastic sense.  trust me you'll feel better

[SpiritReaver72]

It's my fault for expecting better, but between this and so many other threads I can't shake the thought that being labelled as a bunch of whiney entitled children was right all along. We can be right in the ending was crap but the way we're going about it and the hateful, paranoid, and ridiculous comments i keep reading just really soured my taste on this whole thing.

[DevApp]

CavScout wrote...

Geirahod wrote...

Now I get it.

But seriously, who cares if the donations were to get attention??, our main goal was to make kids happy.

If that was the main goal, then I hope you and others keep donating. If the donations stop because of this action then the main goal was RetakeME3.

Child's Play isn't a 'payment plan' style charity where you throw a couple of bucks a month at an african child.

Retake Mass Effect raised awareness for Child's Play, I had no idea the charity even existed before the inititive and I've donated what I could afford to it. I donated like many others because it was, in my eyes, to the benefit of two good causes at once.

Gabe thinks people should donate purely for his own cause. So, by his logic a charity drive like King of the Web that raised money to drill wells so that poor people can get water shouldn't happen because the people voting in a popularity contest? And those votes benefited the internet celebrities that campaigned for it via gained exposure? If so then a great deal of the money given to charity by corporate interests must be tainted too. How about the charity raffle? I'm gaining the chance at some sort of prize in return for my money, does that devalue the morality of my contribution?

No. No it does not and the mere suggestion of such a thing is just as abhorent as the people who are demanding their money back from Child's Play, if such people exist. In fact, if Gabe feels that the donated money is somehow 'dirty', perhaps he should refund it on principle, no?

No he shouldn't. Because WE RAISED $80,000 TO HELP SICK KIDS. We proved our good intentions through a display of aultruism that Paragon Shepherd would be proud of and NOTHING and NOBODY can take that truth away.

The creator of Retake Mass Effect should switch to another charity. Maybe something that gives money to help sufferers of Autism or Bone Disease in light of what we're aiming to do.

Modifié par DevApp, 23 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[Guglio08]

Sorry but if you can't actually read about what you're dumping money into, then you are an idiot. It's a charity; it makes no attempt to hide that information.

EDIT: In regards to people not knowing that Child's Play is a charity.

Modifié par Guglio08, 23 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[Boceephus]

What happened when we saw ME3's ending:
We got "frustrated"

What did we do about it?:
Channled our frustrations into a worthy cause

What happened when the worthy cause was capped?:
We got "frustrated"

What should we do about it?:
FIND ANOTHER WORTHY CAUSE

We can do this people. Let's find a new charity and hold the line.

[Geirahod]

Xandurpein wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

Would it be unfair to speculate that some major Game producers, like maybe EA, donate a lot of big money to this charity and that EA have now threatened to withdraw their money?  

Edit: Apparently this was due to peole asking money back when they realized this was a charity, not money to actually somehow finance a new ending. Makes me sad people should act like that. Still, might as well man up and apologize to EA for my hasty words.

but we really have to believe that people wanted their money back? sorry, but it's hard for me to think that someone that donated to a charity asks his/her money back after it....
I might doubt what the people from PA wrote there....mostly because of the intention of that particular line....

They keep pissing us (literally)...

[defenestrated]

Renessa wrote...

Wow - there must have been a lot of pressure on these guys. Heck, slowly I start understanding the negativity of the gamer sites. EA must be out in force.

They must have been shivering in their shoes, that the $100,000 might be cracked.

Who'd have thought EA would feel so threatened by the Retake movement?

Or they're telling the truth: it was making them a bit uneasy and raising numerous problems. Maybe there's a conspiracy at play but I don't see how jumping on that bandwagon helps anyone involved. They made a choice and we still raised a ton of money for charity.