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[blacqout]

Rafe34 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

maki0129 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

May i suggest you give the $70k that was raised to BioWare instead?

Think of it as damages, as your underhanded tactics, such as "review bombing", have resulted in a poor metacritic score and several retailers offering full refunds.

Fellow retakers.

BEFORE YOU REPLY TO THIS READ THE SIGN.

Do not feed the troll.

I'm pretty sure that name calling is against the TOS. Your little movement has hurt BioWare financially. You should want to make that right.

If the shoe fits... 

I mean, just look at your sig. You're an obvious troll, asking people to give money to a company because they "hurt" the sales of a game they were disatisfied with?

It's not even a good troll. A good troll realizes he has to stay within the realm of believability. That someone would actually hold to your stated opinion isn't within that realm.

Just a helpful tip for your future trolling endeavors.

My signature? My heartfelt belief that misogny should not have an impact on the creative process is quite reasonable.

I wish that i was able to just write off contrasting opinions as having been made up to mildly annoy a web community. Life would be simpler... though it's probably indicative of some sort of mental illness.

[DemGeth]

No not at all OP. I could tell by the tone of your posts it was out of character. Forums like this can make you crazy sometimes.

[Claym0re]

Silveralen wrote...

This is occuring because people ike you have no diea what you are talking about. Do you know why charity drives exisit? Because theywork better than normal donations!!!!!!!! They always do! You are letting people paint us this way, rather than explaining, or trying to understand, the logic behind it.

We don't want to donate to "buy" and ending, we want to show people we are capable of generosity. It is a duel goal. That is how it works when companies give donations to charities, or celebrities do. You create goodwill this way, it is nothing new.

My god, do people really have no idea how the world works? http://childsplaycha...unity-spotlight

Scroll to the bottom of the page. They have their sponsors ranked by how much the donated. Oh yeah, they totally disapprove of being used as a shield, lol what a joke!

Listen to this guy. After reading the thread instead of commentiong I am quoting this. Sadly not everyone understands how donations in general work but he does and sums it up well.

Modifié par Claym0re, 23 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[longtimecoming00]

@blacqout

Bioware, as a division of EA, is responsible for development only. They don't lose money if people return their games, nor will they gain money if people buy their games. All that revenue goes to their parent company, Electronic Arts.

[Actinguy1]

McScroggz24 wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

Jesus OP what were you thinking with those tweets?

The first tweet was out of anger and betrayal.  The rest were my honest feelings about how they are losing touch with where they came from.

I apologize for my emotions in the editted OP.  I'm a human.  Sometimes, I feel things.  I try to own up to that.

Well, you seem like a nice guy, maybe you should do some a little work in your community for a day or two, it'd make you feel better.  I'm sure there's shelters where you live.  Those are tough things you said.

****And I really don't mean that in a mean or sarcastic sense.  trust me you'll feel better

I didn't want to be one of those guys...but if you're going to call me out: I served my country in the military for six years, volunteer at a crisis call center, and actually did create a charity called Kids of Iraq, which distributed 200 boxes of donated school supplied to kids throughout a war-torn country...with all volunteers.  We never collected one penny.

I don't care if this is off topic, but THANK YOU OP for your service, it means a lot to me.

Thank ye kindly.  Of course, that's not my intent with posting it, just defending myself, but I appreciate it!

[blacqout]

longtimecoming00 wrote...

@blacqout

Bioware, as a division of EA, is responsible for development only. They don't lose money if people return their games, nor will they gain money if people buy their games. All that revenue goes to their parent company, Electronic Arts.

The company has still been hurt by the actions of the Retake movement. If you care about BioWare and the quality of Mass Effect 3, you should want to undo some of that damage.

[Thrawn81]

blacqout wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

May i suggest you give the $70k that was raised to BioWare instead?

Think of it as damages, as your underhanded tactics, such as "review bombing", have resulted in a poor metacritic score and several retailers offering full refunds.

Reported. 

As someone that has familiarised himself with the rules and regulatiions, i can quite honestly tell you that your reporting me was a wasted effort... and it further shows how petty and underhanded the Retake movement is.

So here is the Deal Troll: Your reported for harassing other people here.

[maki0129]

blacqout wrote...

I'm pretty sure that name calling is against the TOS. Your little movement has hurt BioWare financially. You should want to make that right.

No, their terrible ending to an otherwise great saga has hurt Bioware financially.

[Actinguy1]

blacqout wrote...

longtimecoming00 wrote...

@blacqout

Bioware, as a division of EA, is responsible for development only. They don't lose money if people return their games, nor will they gain money if people buy their games. All that revenue goes to their parent company, Electronic Arts.

The company has still been hurt by the actions of the Retake movement. If you care about BioWare and the quality of Mass Effect 3, you should want to undo some of that damage.

I don't know...if we hadn't damaged them, would they ever fix it?  More importantly: would they ever learn for future games?  I like to think that we're not just fighting for ME3...we're fighting for the sake of all their future releases as well, so that we never have to go through this again.

[McScroggz24]

Actinguy1 wrote...

McScroggz24 wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

Jesus OP what were you thinking with those tweets?

The first tweet was out of anger and betrayal.  The rest were my honest feelings about how they are losing touch with where they came from.

I apologize for my emotions in the editted OP.  I'm a human.  Sometimes, I feel things.  I try to own up to that.

Well, you seem like a nice guy, maybe you should do some a little work in your community for a day or two, it'd make you feel better.  I'm sure there's shelters where you live.  Those are tough things you said.

****And I really don't mean that in a mean or sarcastic sense.  trust me you'll feel better

I didn't want to be one of those guys...but if you're going to call me out: I served my country in the military for six years, volunteer at a crisis call center, and actually did create a charity called Kids of Iraq, which distributed 200 boxes of donated school supplied to kids throughout a war-torn country...with all volunteers.  We never collected one penny.

I don't care if this is off topic, but THANK YOU OP for your service, it means a lot to me.

Thank ye kindly.  Of course, that's not my intent with posting it, just defending myself, but I appreciate it!

Haha, I know. My brother-in-law is in the army so I can't help but be vocal.

[Boceephus]

I'm conflicted by this.

On the website they specifically say they agree with the cause and are capping it to prevent future drives they may not agree with. But then in OPs twitter discussion he deliberately accuses OP of using the cause as a shield.

Sigh.

I'm starting to get really frustrated and want to channel this into something good. Who's got ideas for the next charity drive?

Modifié par Boceephus, 23 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[Actinguy1]

McScroggz24 wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...

McScroggz24 wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

Jesus OP what were you thinking with those tweets?

The first tweet was out of anger and betrayal.  The rest were my honest feelings about how they are losing touch with where they came from.

I apologize for my emotions in the editted OP.  I'm a human.  Sometimes, I feel things.  I try to own up to that.

Well, you seem like a nice guy, maybe you should do some a little work in your community for a day or two, it'd make you feel better.  I'm sure there's shelters where you live.  Those are tough things you said.

****And I really don't mean that in a mean or sarcastic sense.  trust me you'll feel better

I didn't want to be one of those guys...but if you're going to call me out: I served my country in the military for six years, volunteer at a crisis call center, and actually did create a charity called Kids of Iraq, which distributed 200 boxes of donated school supplied to kids throughout a war-torn country...with all volunteers.  We never collected one penny.

I don't care if this is off topic, but THANK YOU OP for your service, it means a lot to me.

Thank ye kindly.  Of course, that's not my intent with posting it, just defending myself, but I appreciate it!

Haha, I know. My brother-in-law is in the army so I can't help but be vocal.

Then I thank him for his service as well!

[Zeratul20]

Ehm, guys, come on, read the OP. He's posted a link to Tycho's statement about it, which seems rather reasonable.

If they wanted to "shut it down because they're EA tools", they would've done so before it garnered a significant amount of press/money.

What I would like to know, though, is this: Did they accept the donations (up to 80k), or not? Because I've seen posts that claim that they haven't accepted anything, and posts that claim that they just capped the drive.

(Background: I don't agree with the retake movement, if you're wondering.)

[Actinguy1]

Boceephus wrote...

I'm conflicted by this.

On the website they specifically say they agree with the cause and are capping it to prevent future drives they may not agree with. But then in OPs twitter discussion he deliberately accuses OP of using the cause as a shield.

Sigh.

I'm starting to get really frustrated and want to channel this into something good. Who's got ideas for the next charity drive?

Two guys.  The co-founders of Penny Arcade and Child's Play.  They rarely agree on anything, which used to be part of their charm.  Used to be.

[McScroggz24]

@blacqout please just try to calm down this thread in spots is informing and brings about discussion that enlightens people, myself included, and getting upset only derails a thread and gets it locked.

[longtimecoming00]

blacqout wrote...

longtimecoming00 wrote...

@blacqout

Bioware, as a division of EA, is responsible for development only. They don't lose money if people return their games, nor will they gain money if people buy their games. All that revenue goes to their parent company, Electronic Arts.

The company has still been hurt by the actions of the Retake movement. If you care about BioWare and the quality of Mass Effect 3, you should want to undo some of that damage.

That's just the thing, I don't care about Bioware or EA.  They had a product and I had money.  We had a mutual exchange of goods.  The was the beginning and end of our relationship.

[ek5000]

crapmonster13 wrote...

Woah, I wasn't even aware of people asking for their money back. That's a f*king shame.

I'd really like them to provide some numbers on that.

If hundreds of people asked for their money back, then I totally agree with them for doing what they did. But if it was just a few dozen idiots, it's silly to argue that the charity had become compromised in some way.

Nevertheless, 80.000$ and great publicity for a worthy cause is never a bad thing, I doubt anyone would dissagree no matter what you think of the motives behind the drive.

Modifié par ek5000, 23 mars 2012 - 07:12 .

[blacqout]

Thrawn81 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

May i suggest you give the $70k that was raised to BioWare instead?

Think of it as damages, as your underhanded tactics, such as "review bombing", have resulted in a poor metacritic score and several retailers offering full refunds.

Reported. 

As someone that has familiarised himself with the rules and regulatiions, i can quite honestly tell you that your reporting me was a wasted effort... and it further shows how petty and underhanded the Retake movement is.

So here is the Deal Troll: Your reported for harassing other people here.

You may wish to familiarise yourself better with the definition of the word "harassment". Calmly replying to an incredibly negative comment is not "harassment".

It would be more accurate to state that i am the victim of harassment here. Several users have taken it upon themselves to attempt to intimidate me and make personal attacks. I'm yet to insult anyone.

[randalbattalis]

Zeratul20 wrote...

Ehm, guys, come on, read the OP. He's posted a link to Tycho's statement about it, which seems rather reasonable.

If they wanted to "shut it down because they're EA tools", they would've done so before it garnered a significant amount of press/money.

What I would like to know, though, is this: Did they accept the donations (up to 80k), or not? Because I've seen posts that claim that they haven't accepted anything, and posts that claim that they just capped the drive.

(Background: I don't agree with the retake movement, if you're wondering.)

My problem with this whole line is that they use Child's Play for this all the time. Every single Humble Bundle is "Raise support for indie developers and some of the proceedes go to child's play" I suppose that case is ok because the PA guys agree with that message?

It just sounds like the message out of all of this is "Child's Play is only to be used as a tool for a message when I agree with the message. -Penny Arcade"

[Boceephus]

Actinguy1 wrote...

Boceephus wrote...

I'm conflicted by this.

On the website they specifically say they agree with the cause and are capping it to prevent future drives they may not agree with. But then in OPs twitter discussion he deliberately accuses OP of using the cause as a shield.

Sigh.

I'm starting to get really frustrated and want to channel this into something good. Who's got ideas for the next charity drive?

Two guys.  The co-founders of Penny Arcade and Child's Play.  They rarely agree on anything, which used to be part of their charm.  Used to be.

That makes more sense then. At first I was impressed they took the time to support the cause and explain why they were capping it. Then I was offended that they questioned your reasons for donating to their charity. Now I know to just be disappointed in one of them.

Now lets try to raise 80k for a different charity. Wouldn't that be something?

[Zeratul20]

randalbattalis wrote...

Zeratul20 wrote...

Ehm, guys, come on, read the OP. He's posted a link to Tycho's statement about it, which seems rather reasonable.

If they wanted to "shut it down because they're EA tools", they would've done so before it garnered a significant amount of press/money.

What I would like to know, though, is this: Did they accept the donations (up to 80k), or not? Because I've seen posts that claim that they haven't accepted anything, and posts that claim that they just capped the drive.

(Background: I don't agree with the retake movement, if you're wondering.)

My problem with this whole line is that they use Child's Play for this all the time. Every single Humble Bundle is "Raise support for indie developers and some of the proceedes go to child's play" I suppose that case is ok because the PA guys agree with that message?

It just sounds like the message out of all of this is "Child's Play is only to be used as a tool for a message when I agree with the message. -Penny Arcade"

Yeah, but like they said, this sort of thing has never really happened before. (Not on such a large scale, anyway.) The humble bundle doesn't really carry a message, it's intended to support small-scale/indie developers, who usually can't afford any kind of press anyway. (Though I didn't know part of the proceeds went to child's play?)

[Thrawn81]

blacqout wrote...

Thrawn81 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

May i suggest you give the $70k that was raised to BioWare instead?

Think of it as damages, as your underhanded tactics, such as "review bombing", have resulted in a poor metacritic score and several retailers offering full refunds.

Reported. 

As someone that has familiarised himself with the rules and regulatiions, i can quite honestly tell you that your reporting me was a wasted effort... and it further shows how petty and underhanded the Retake movement is.

So here is the Deal Troll: Your reported for harassing other people here.

You may wish to familiarise yourself better with the definition of the word "harassment". Calmly replying to an incredibly negative comment is not "harassment".

It would be more accurate to state that i am the victim of harassment here. Several users have taken it upon themselves to attempt to intimidate me and make personal attacks. I'm yet to insult anyone.

Ok and i dont want to attack someone here. So lets keep it clear here on both sides pls!

[McScroggz24]

I'm not quite sure what I feel is the right thing to happen to the 80k~ I mean sure I want the kids to reap the benefits of people's generosity but to allude to ME2 good resulted from the testing on female krogans for a genophage cure but is it morally right to accept the data given it's origins? Not a perfect comparison but my point is if CP stopped taking donations because of the negative image of the movement's ulterior motives (though the original purpose was good and probably most of those that donated) then wouldn't that make that 80k for lack of a better term dirty money? I don't know.

But asking for your money back, not cool.

[Silveralen]

M12311 wrote...

My god, do people really have no idea how the world works? http://childsplaycha...unity-spotlight

Scroll to the bottom of the page. They have their sponsors ranked by how much the donated. Oh yeah, they totally disapprove of being used as a shield, lol what a joke!

I have no problem with their original position about not wanting to be associated with a controversial cause.

But the moment Penny Arcade changed their excuse to "Take Back ME3 gamers are asking for the money back in high volume", they brought this to a whole other level. I cannot wait for this excuse to be picked up by the media tomorrow to show what Penny Arcade thinks about us gamers.

Shame on you.

He said some were. It happens, with anything. People change their minds, or don't understand what they are giving to in the first place.I can't say I like it or support it in the slightest, but I have done things like this charity drive before. It always happens, someone gets cold feet etc.

Though, actually, as I read this........... you almost sound like you think that is bad for penny arcade, rather than us? Something about the way you phrased it cofused me. Just to be clear though, we are in agreement that withdawing your cash is bad, and reflects poorly on those of us who donated to it knowing we were helping others?

Modifié par Silveralen, 23 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[maki0129]

[quote]Zeratul20 wrote...

Ehm, guys, come on, read the OP. He's posted a link to Tycho's statement about it, which seems rather reasonable.

If they wanted to "shut it down because they're EA tools", they would've done so before it garnered a significant amount of press/money.

What I would like to know, though, is this: Did they accept the donations (up to 80k), or not? Because I've seen posts that claim that they haven't accepted anything, and posts that claim that they just capped the drive.

(Background: I don't agree with the retake movement, if you're wondering.)[/quote]
[/quote]

The did accept the donations. They had no option not to, they were direct donations, they just came with a Retake Mass Effect bow.

They just capped it because of the amount of confusion and problems it was generating within the operation of the charity itself.