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[Valo_Soren]

Not to pour salt on the wound but I believe I've already stated several times how wrong it is for you all to be piggy backing a charity in the first place just to draw attention to yourselves in order to get a video game ending change. None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game. I'm sorry but they are right to shut this down, not when the cause is not for the children.

[Nostradamoose]

Well. let's create a trust, give the money to it and give the interests comming out of it to a charity.

it would make a lot of effect, I do believe, if we still manage to get another 100 K$

[Rafe34]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Not to pour salt on the wound but I believe I've already stated several times how wrong it is for you all to be piggy backing a charity in the first place just to draw attention to yourselves in order to get a video game ending change. None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game. I'm sorry but they are right to shut this down, not when the cause is not for the children.

Right. How dare we express our displeasure by donating 80k to children. And I'm glad you know the motivations of everyone who donated to the ME movement.

You know what? Reported. Saying the bolded part crosses a line to me. You have no ****ing clue about anything, I've donated to CP before this, and I do care about the children. You're just a holier-than-thou troll who I've frankly gotten sick of reading.

Modifié par Rafe34, 23 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[randalbattalis]

Zeratul20 wrote...

randalbattalis wrote...

Zeratul20 wrote...

Ehm, guys, come on, read the OP. He's posted a link to Tycho's statement about it, which seems rather reasonable.

If they wanted to "shut it down because they're EA tools", they would've done so before it garnered a significant amount of press/money.

What I would like to know, though, is this: Did they accept the donations (up to 80k), or not? Because I've seen posts that claim that they haven't accepted anything, and posts that claim that they just capped the drive.

(Background: I don't agree with the retake movement, if you're wondering.)

My problem with this whole line is that they use Child's Play for this all the time. Every single Humble Bundle is "Raise support for indie developers and some of the proceedes go to child's play" I suppose that case is ok because the PA guys agree with that message?

It just sounds like the message out of all of this is "Child's Play is only to be used as a tool for a message when I agree with the message. -Penny Arcade"

Yeah, but like they said, this sort of thing has never really happened before. (Not on such a large scale, anyway.) The humble bundle doesn't really carry a message, it's intended to support small-scale/indie developers, who usually can't afford any kind of press anyway. (Though I didn't know part of the proceeds went to child's play?)

It has happened before the only problem is this time they don't agree with the message.

By default humble bundle is like 50% of your donation goes to the indie devs, 40% to charity, 10% to the humble bundle web hosting. That is 100% exactly the situation Tycho says they never ever want to do any refuse to.

Oh but there it's ok because they agree.

http://www.penny-arc...le-indie-bundle

It's an honor in fact to be associated with that message. But it's ok because they agree with it.

If they want Child's Play to not be a tool for messages then it can't be a pick and choose only when Tycho and Gabe agree with the message situation.

[blacqout]

Thrawn81 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Thrawn81 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

leondes1 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

May i suggest you give the $70k that was raised to BioWare instead?

Think of it as damages, as your underhanded tactics, such as "review bombing", have resulted in a poor metacritic score and several retailers offering full refunds.

Reported. 

As someone that has familiarised himself with the rules and regulatiions, i can quite honestly tell you that your reporting me was a wasted effort... and it further shows how petty and underhanded the Retake movement is.

So here is the Deal Troll: Your reported for harassing other people here.

You may wish to familiarise yourself better with the definition of the word "harassment". Calmly replying to an incredibly negative comment is not "harassment".

It would be more accurate to state that i am the victim of harassment here. Several users have taken it upon themselves to attempt to intimidate me and make personal attacks. I'm yet to insult anyone.

Ok and i dont want to attack someone here. So lets keep it clear here on both sides pls!

Apology accepted.

In the future, it might be nice if those of you who are so quick to misuse the "troll" label could make a better effort to remain as civil and polite as the person you are collectively harassing.

My point is that as Penny Arcade wish to distance themselves from the movement, and since BioWare have stated they would address the endings, perhaps you could chanel your energies into something that doesn't further harm the company, and maybe even actively benefits them.

[SamFlagg]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Not to pour salt on the wound but I believe I've already stated several times how wrong it is for you all to be piggy backing a charity in the first place just to draw attention to yourselves in order to get a video game ending change. None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game. I'm sorry but they are right to shut this down, not when the cause is not for the children.

No, I'm fairly certain you do mean to pour salt on the wound.

There are those of us who are actively trying to quell this fire and point out that good was done and the stated goal was always that good be done no matter what happens to the endings.  And a fair amount of us do care what happens to the children.

I've even noted that it was probably in the charities best interest to close this before it snowballed into a PR nightmare, which it could very well have.

So please, if you're going to pour salt on the wound at least have the common decenency to not impune the motives of every single person who donated as if we didn't care one whit about who we were donating too.

[Wowlock]

you know, the reasons won't matter to those kids.

These kind of political or self-interest acts only hurt charities more. I never saw someone who did something as bad as personally attack someone or downright insult someone and go on to say '' I donate to charity ! You can't touch me ! ''...

We never used Charity as a ''shield'' , unlike how many people used ''ART'' as THEIR shield to defend the ending.

We used the charity to show that we are willing to do something positive even if the situation is a mess and a negative. And if we were able to make children happy across the world...then what is the problem with that ?

What, they are afraid we are going to march into the hospital and demand children to support our movement ?

It is just a sad excuse and I am not sad for our movement, I am sad for those kids who got caught up in the middle of these political BS .

No matter, that won't stop people to donate with or without the movement. Our concience is clear....what about theirs ?

[McScroggz24]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Not to pour salt on the wound but I believe I've already stated several times how wrong it is for you all to be piggy backing a charity in the first place just to draw attention to yourselves in order to get a video game ending change. None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game. I'm sorry but they are right to shut this down, not when the cause is not for the children.

For clarification this is untrue. Maybe some viewed it this way but they did so wrongly. A big reason they shut it down, I think, is because of the confusion about motivations.

[Rafe34]

blacqout wrote...
Apology accepted.

In the future, it might be nice if those of you who are so quick to misuse the "troll" label could make a better effort to remain as civil and polite as the person you are collectively harassing.

My point is that as Penny Arcade wish to distance themselves from the movement, and since BioWare have stated they would address the endings, perhaps you could chanel your energies into something that doesn't further harm the company, and maybe even actively benefits them.

He wasn't apologizing.

It's a clear troll when you say we should donate money to ELECTRONIC ARTS because we "hurt" their sales. They're a mega-corporation. They ain't hurting for money.

[Valo_Soren]

I'm not saying there aren't a small few of you who actually care about charity and give to charity but also, as I've stated before, the sad fact is that if you had all liked the Mass Effect ending I highly doubt you would have started donating to donate just because you care about sick children. Sorry, opinion is I agree with Penny Arcade on this one hundred percent.

[Silveralen]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Not to pour salt on the wound but I believe I've already stated several times how wrong it is for you all to be piggy backing a charity in the first place just to draw attention to yourselves in order to get a video game ending change. None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game. I'm sorry but they are right to shut this down, not when the cause is not for the children.

This is simply False. Companies like Bethesda donate to Child's Play, and are a meember of their platinum sponsors. You think they do it for the warm squishy feeling, or the good PR? They probably doit for both. The same way we did. To help people see we aren't some group of hateful pople, by doing something positive.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, we did it in part to get the message out in a positive way. So what? That is how charities get money. It is our corporate sponsorship and donations work. This is the way the world works.

Modifié par Silveralen, 23 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[Valo_Soren]

McScroggz24 wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

Not to pour salt on the wound but I believe I've already stated several times how wrong it is for you all to be piggy backing a charity in the first place just to draw attention to yourselves in order to get a video game ending change. None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game. I'm sorry but they are right to shut this down, not when the cause is not for the children.

For clarification this is untrue. Maybe some viewed it this way but they did so wrongly. A big reason they shut it down, I think, is because of the confusion about motivations.

There was no confusion about motivations, it was pretty cut and dry what was happening here. You guys wanted the ending changed, the best way to garner attention is in fact, charities. I don't see how that can be confusing.

[dcal31]

Note: Do not feed the trolls, real or perceived.

That is all.

[Valo_Soren]

Silveralen wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

Not to pour salt on the wound but I believe I've already stated several times how wrong it is for you all to be piggy backing a charity in the first place just to draw attention to yourselves in order to get a video game ending change. None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game. I'm sorry but they are right to shut this down, not when the cause is not for the children.

This is simply False. Companies like Bethesda donate to Child's Play, and are a meember of their platinum sponsors. You think they do it for the warm squishy feeling, or the good PR? They probably doit for both. The same way we did. To help people see we aren't some group of hateful pople, by doing something positive.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You are not a video game company, you are a vocal minority of disgruntled fans.

[Rafe34]

Valo_Soren wrote...

I'm not saying there aren't a small few of you who actually care about charity and give to charity but also, as I've stated before, the sad fact is that if you had all liked the Mass Effect ending I highly doubt you would have started donating to donate just because you care about sick children. Sorry, opinion is I agree with Penny Arcade on this one hundred percent.

You specifically  *did* said that.

You said 

Valo_Soren wrote...
None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game.

 

None. Zero.

So don't come back with that.

And you don't know the vast majority of us, so how can you say that only a small few actually care about charity?

Modifié par Rafe34, 23 mars 2012 - 07:30 .

[Lankist]

You folks raised a metric assload of money for a great cause in the span of days. Let's call it a win, shall we?

[Valo_Soren]

[quote]Rafe34 wrote...

[quote]

He wasn't apologizing.

It's a clear troll when you say we should donate money to ELECTRONIC ARTS because we "hurt" their sales. They're a mega-corporation. They ain't hurting for money.

[/quote]

^This

[Valo_Soren]

Rafe34 wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

I'm not saying there aren't a small few of you who actually care about charity and give to charity but also, as I've stated before, the sad fact is that if you had all liked the Mass Effect ending I highly doubt you would have started donating to donate just because you care about sick children. Sorry, opinion is I agree with Penny Arcade on this one hundred percent.

You specifically said that.

You said "None of you actually care about the children"

None. Zero.

So don't come back with that.

And you don't know the vast majority of us, so how can you say that only a small few actually care about charity?

Alright then, sit there and with a straight face, tell me that if you had liked the ending you would suddenly decide to start giving to charity.

[Valo_Soren]

Rafe34 wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

I'm not saying there aren't a small few of you who actually care about charity and give to charity but also, as I've stated before, the sad fact is that if you had all liked the Mass Effect ending I highly doubt you would have started donating to donate just because you care about sick children. Sorry, opinion is I agree with Penny Arcade on this one hundred percent.

You specifically said that.

You said 

Valo_Soren wrote...
None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game.

 

None. Zero.

So don't come back with that.

And you don't know the vast majority of us, so how can you say that only a small few actually care about charity?

Excuse me for generalizing, perhaps you're taking my 'opinion' too personally.

[maki0129]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Not to pour salt on the wound but I believe I've already stated several times how wrong it is for you all to be piggy backing a charity in the first place just to draw attention to yourselves in order to get a video game ending change. None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game. I'm sorry but they are right to shut this down, not when the cause is not for the children.

I donate to Child's Play every year, this year I did it through retake.

Additionally I volunteer for children charity functions every year here in Mexico as a performer and two times host. I also regularly donate to public schools, and my family runs a community center. Additionally, I teach self defense lessons to kids for free at my temple every weekend.

You could stand to consider that there are sorts of different people playing these games, before you try to color everyone in the retake movement with the same brush.

You are correct that they were  right to shut this down. It's what's best for their charity and their cause if it was causing so much trouble.

That doesn't mean the movement is gonna stop giving, our mission is to turn our outrage into something positive and call attention to our grievances in the process, we're not actually doing this in hopes Bioware will feel guilted into doing a new ending. We're simply trying to voice our discontent with the one we got already.

If you consider that to be such a terrible thing then... Too bad, can't please everyone. But we're not doing this for you, we're doing this to help people.

[Nostradamoose]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Silveralen wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

Not to pour salt on the wound but I believe I've already stated several times how wrong it is for you all to be piggy backing a charity in the first place just to draw attention to yourselves in order to get a video game ending change. None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game. I'm sorry but they are right to shut this down, not when the cause is not for the children.

This is simply False. Companies like Bethesda donate to Child's Play, and are a meember of their platinum sponsors. You think they do it for the warm squishy feeling, or the good PR? They probably doit for both. The same way we did. To help people see we aren't some group of hateful pople, by doing something positive.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You are not a video game company, you are a vocal minority of disgruntled fans.

Well perhaps we are a minority in a way.

But once a minority gets about a 3rd of the consumers talking like it has right now, it has weight. And any issue they bring up has to be issued. I believe we hit that mark.


It has to be issued, that simple.

[McScroggz24]

Valo_Soren wrote...

McScroggz24 wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

Not to pour salt on the wound but I believe I've already stated several times how wrong it is for you all to be piggy backing a charity in the first place just to draw attention to yourselves in order to get a video game ending change. None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game. I'm sorry but they are right to shut this down, not when the cause is not for the children.

For clarification this is untrue. Maybe some viewed it this way but they did so wrongly. A big reason they shut it down, I think, is because of the confusion about motivations.

There was no confusion about motivations, it was pretty cut and dry what was happening here. You guys wanted the ending changed, the best way to garner attention is in fact, charities. I don't see how that can be confusing.

Hey, first off I'm not part of ReME3 and didn't support it for my own reasons. That being said making blanket statements when you clearly don't know what it is you are generalizing doesn't help the discussion, it only hurts it.

[longtimecoming00]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Not to pour salt on the wound but I believe I've already stated several times how wrong it is for you all to be piggy backing a charity in the first place just to draw attention to yourselves in order to get a video game ending change. None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game. I'm sorry but they are right to shut this down, not when the cause is not for the children.

The original purpose of Child's Play was thus: to combat the negative stereotype normally associated with gamers by creating a charity for children.  The very purpose of the charity was to combat stereotypes, and helping children was something they piggybacked on to gain traction.

Not everything is so white and black.  The world is covered wiith different shades of grey.

[Boceephus]

Valo_Soren wrote...

I'm not saying there aren't a small few of you who actually care about charity and give to charity but also, as I've stated before, the sad fact is that if you had all liked the Mass Effect ending I highly doubt you would have started donating to donate just because you care about sick children. Sorry, opinion is I agree with Penny Arcade on this one hundred percent.

But half of Penny Arcade agrees with Retake.

[Silveralen]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Silveralen wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

Not to pour salt on the wound but I believe I've already stated several times how wrong it is for you all to be piggy backing a charity in the first place just to draw attention to yourselves in order to get a video game ending change. None of you actually care about the children you're donating the money too, only about the game. I'm sorry but they are right to shut this down, not when the cause is not for the children.

This is simply False. Companies like Bethesda donate to Child's Play, and are a meember of their platinum sponsors. You think they do it for the warm squishy feeling, or the good PR? They probably doit for both. The same way we did. To help people see we aren't some group of hateful pople, by doing something positive.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You are not a video game company, you are a vocal minority of disgruntled fans.

What, so companies can donate to charities, but groups of fans can't? If a compny does it, they are being generous? If fans do it, we are trying to abuse the charity for personal game? It has no bearing on the disussion, noth are collective groups, trying to spead goodwill through positive actions.

I'll say it again, you have no idea what you are talking about.