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[Statulos]

The Angry One wrote...

Who the hell cares why people donate, if people want to donate to promote a cause let them.
Stop pretending this has anything to do with using a charity to promote a cause, that's done all the time. The charities benefit either way.

This is the biased fools at PA making it clear that they don't want to be associated with anything that may jeapordise their relationship with BioWare.
Gabe and Mike are a pair of shills, and they disgust me.

Nobody said being a sold out was an easy task, lady.

[CronoDragoon]

magikbbg wrote...

I just wanted to add that its terrible that they ended this donation drive because of "political" reasons. If they don't agree with our message will they refund our money back? Nope. They just treated us like a terrorist organization then said "thanks for the money though". I feel really dirty that I gave some money to the cause. I bet that money is gone, if you called childsplay they'd be like we dunno wut retake movement is. lol (jk just being cynical)

Why do I keep getting bad endings since 3-6-12 ??!


dont charities always get used as tools for movements in america? kinda like invisiblechildren to start a war for natural resoucres in uganda?

Please don't tell me that if they actually offered your money back you would take it...

[rexx1888]

O.o isnt it a bit cross purpose for them to tell us to bugger off, not 2 days they were expounding about how retake was a bunch of whiners that should stfu :|

still, it was always a bit odd that we had a SPECIFIC charity linked up, it would have made more sense to pool all the cash and then divvy it up at the final goal, like a kickstarter or something, so no charities caught the flack for our 'cause'*

* i say cause like this because im not convinced we are a cause specifically, we are a group of very disgruntled consumers asking not to be taken for a bunch of mooks by big business

[Meteor_VII]

brian_breed wrote...

How about you don't go search out another charity? How about instead, if you seriously want your donations to be for the sake of helping sick children and negating the stereotype of gamers as detached and apathetic, you continue to donate to Child's Play independently of Retake? I think that sends a more beautiful message.

Totally agree here. Also for those that donate make sure you don't think thats it going toward getting what you want. It was suppose to be just for a good cause. Just being nice and all.

[garf]

Goose1004 wrote...

Marixus99.9 wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect

Their response.

Needs to be quoted again

Gabe's response was very well written. Let's be honest folks. The charity drive was a nice idea and it did good things but it opens up a can of worms for any charities that accept it. I personally have already diverted all my 'fun money' for the next 8 to twelve months (6 if Include movies and eating out) to child's play and have no money left for further donations OR DLC.  unless perhaps something comes out as DLC that looks more interesting than the prometheus movie.

This card, as a card, has been played. By all means let's continue with any planned private donations we chartibly minded folk plan to make but it does NOT have to be done under a banner. We have nothing to prove here and flogging a dead horse won't help our cause.

That's just my opinion... no need to go spreading it around.

No Closure
No Sense
No Future
No Choice

No Surrender. Hold the Line.

Modifié par garf, 23 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[Obliterati]

Their charity, their rules.

I don't agree with their choice, but we raised a sh*t-ton of money for a very worthy cause. That's what this was about, and I'm happy with how things worked out overall.

[Xoirun]

The top reason why it was shut down was because people where asking for their money back when Wednesday Bioware announcement came and because people where emailing them about how much money was needed for the ending.

They are obviously not Bioware, and some of the people that donated didn't read what the whole purpose of the donation drive was.

[CavScout]

MystaisPC wrote...

Who the heck would ask for their money back... from a charity? Wow

The same ones that want their money back from a game they've fully played....

[magikbbg]

The Angry One wrote...

Who the hell cares why people donate, if people want to donate to promote a cause let them.
Stop pretending this has anything to do with using a charity to promote a cause, that's done all the time. The charities benefit either way.

This is the biased fools at PA making it clear that they don't want to be associated with anything that may jeapordise their relationship with BioWare.
Gabe and Mike are a pair of shills, and they disgust me.

yep charities are always used as tools to promote another non related message. i agree with you. - but the charity benefits anyways. and yeah it shows whos in bed with who - rEApers got its tentacles in every nook and cranny its amazing.

[Marixus99.9]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

Goose1004 wrote...

Marixus99.9 wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect

Their response.

Needs to be quoted again

Very well said. As it stood, Child's Play was being used as a tool, and it was disgraceful that it got as far as it did. People were using it as an emotional weapon against Bioware so they could get their ending fixed.

If you think this was the only reason people donated, you are a fool.

The problem is that some people were doing this apparently:

They have stopped taking donations now partly because they basically won and partly because we don’t know how to feel about this use of the charity. 

As the main point of contact for Child’s Play, Jamie has been buried under mail about this situation. Apparently some of the people giving to the cause seemed to think that they were paying for a new ending to Mass Effect. She’s been asked what the goal is, and how much they need to raise in order to get the ending produced. We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back.

Modifié par Marixus99.9, 23 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[The Angry One]

joshko wrote...

It's very sad that they did that.
Doesn't everyone who has a charity for a cause using to advance their cause and use it as a shield?
Isn't that the point?
If this makes them uncomfortable why even have it in the first place, or at least let us start Retake charity in the first place?

That's what I keep saying, but apparently some people are oblivious to this fact.

[Jayce]

@cwgabriel:@TheFroats it's not your tool to fight your negative stereotype. you can not use the charity as a shield.

That says it all right there. He disagrees with Retake and he didn't feel could say anything against it without being accused of hypocrisy. Douchey of him really, as it makes the issue more about his own attitude than about the benefit to the charity or even the people the charity is trying to support.

[garf]

Hit quote instead of Edit. Sorry.

Modifié par garf, 23 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[Narsilsword]

Guys' I'm hesitant to say this but it sort of is wrong to use a charity to further another cause.

The best thing for them was to do this. Using a charity to give your cause a positive vibe is kind of insulting to the charity.

I support fixing the endings, but I feel that morally this is the right thing. I mean this respectfully

[KingKhan03]

Whatever, 80,000+ for those kids good stuff.

[magikbbg]

CronoDragoon wrote...


Please don't tell me that if they actually offered your money back you would take it...

of course not i was just venting.

[The Angry One]

CavScout wrote...

MystaisPC wrote...

Who the heck would ask for their money back... from a charity? Wow

The same ones that want their money back from a game they've fully played....

Do you even bother to think before you type? 

[Imortalfalcon]

Makes sense, I see what he means.

Sure he can be the "bad guy" for shutting down something that is obviously giving money to a great cause, which this is doing, but it's not the only message in this campaign.

- The message is "Help us change the ending of Mass Effect 3 and support Child's Play"
- But can also be taken as "Help us change the ending of Mass Effect 3, oh and btw we support a charity so you can't refuse or else you're cold hearted."

They saw it as the latter, which any owner of anything like this would see it, unfortunately. It's just the 'spin' of things I believe messed it up. I see where he is coming from because it would seem like we're using it as a shield -- As previously mentioned. There's no neutral ground here, and they went with the safe option of just ending it because of this 'spin' someone could see it rollin' with.

Now if he -really- stood by his opinion and thinks supporting Retake ME3 is equivalent to supporting Child porn, he should refund everyone who donated their money back.

But I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

[Torga_DW]

to be honest, it didn't seem like much of a conversation. He said 1 thing, right?

[The Almighty Ali]

Hold on, he shut down the charity because he didn't agree with us?

I guess that's more important then helping the kids.
Such a shame.

[longtimecoming00]

Just switch your donations to a charity that plants tress. It's so dull no one would bother to attack it.

[Dark Cider]

Too much negativity. I'm happy money was raised, but everyone starting to go negative about a charity retracting should stop. It's just proving that their donations we're full of ulterior motives. Let them be what they're supposed to be, donations meant to help kids, not herald a cause. I for one an happy the money was raised, but you got to respect their wishes as it's their charity. The fact that people looked to retract the donations is appalling. Respect their wishes, and continue to fight the good fight, that's all you can do. Cause soon as you go negative, the whole thing was for naught. Hopefully this brought more light to the charity and they'll end up getting more support down the road.

[CronoDragoon]

Marixus99.9 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

Goose1004 wrote...

Marixus99.9 wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect

Their response.

Needs to be quoted again

Very well said. As it stood, Child's Play was being used as a tool, and it was disgraceful that it got as far as it did. People were using it as an emotional weapon against Bioware so they could get their ending fixed.

If you think this was the only reason people donated, you are a fool.

The problem is that some people were doing this apparently:

They have stopped taking donations now partly because they basically won and partly because we don’t know how to feel about this use of the charity. 

As the main point of contact for Child’s Play, Jamie has been buried under mail about this situation. Apparently some of the people giving to the cause seemed to think that they were paying for a new ending to Mass Effect. She’s been asked what the goal is, and how much they need to raise in order to get the ending produced. We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back.

Yeah, that's just really sad.

[deimosmasque]

GuretoOnizuka wrote...

Seriously If I wanted to donate for 2 causes in which I strongly believe in why take one away?

If you believe in Child's Play, then donate to it.  Don't donate to it because you want to support the Retake Mass Effect group.  That's the problem many have had to with it.  

I've donated to Child's Play three times since it's come into existence and never once was it also in protest of something I saw a game company do.  I did it because I had some extra money and it was a cause I believed in. 

Honestly I think Tycho said it best on Penny Arcade.. and this quote is what made me think to quote GuretoOnizuka specifically:

"Apparently some of the people giving to the cause seemed to think that they were paying for a new ending to Mass Effect. She’s been asked what the goal is, and how much they need to raise in order to get the ending
produced. We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back.  This is in addition to readers who simply couldn’t understand how this was connected to Child’s Play’s mission.  We were dealing with a lot of very confused people, more everyday, and that told us we had a problem."

Do you see the problem there?  Some people donated to Child's Play, an organization set up to make sure children in hospitals could recive and play the games they wanted, thinking they were donating to get a new ending for Mass Effect 3. 

While it does suck that Gabe and Tycho think that they have to not accept the money, I can understand why they wouldn't.  Some people, it doesn't matter how small a number, thought they were donating to something else entirely.  It would be disingenious and unethical to take that money because it would not be going to what some people thought it was going towards.

Modifié par deimosmasque, 23 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[M12311]

The Angry One wrote...

Who the hell cares why people donate, if people want to donate to promote a cause let them.
Stop pretending this has anything to do with using a charity to promote a cause, that's done all the time. The charities benefit either way.

This is the biased fools at PA making it clear that they don't want to be associated with anything that may jeapordise their relationship with BioWare.
Gabe and Mike are a pair of shills, and they disgust me.

THIS ^