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[MACharlie1]

....who asks money back from a charity?

[Shadow2G]

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect


 

Fair enough. If they don't wish to have their charity associated with a particular cause we should respect that choice and find another constructive outlet

[Vasparian]

I thought this take back thing was a good idea. Now I know it's not. Bashing people that run a charity(PA in this case), selling merchandise via their facebook, and other things. It just makes me sick. I loved most of ME3, the endings are all that bugged me. I refuse to be a part of a group that acts this way. The take back people should be ashamed.

[WizenSlinky0]

To start off I'll say that the Retake Mass Effect drive was never about charity, but about fundraising. Even if the funds raised did not directly benefit the movement it did act as a method of spreading and promoting the message. The movement inherently benefited from it.

However, I am of the opinion that there is very little true charity. Penny Arcade's founders benefit from the public image of running a charity. It is not charity, but again, fundraising. The only true charity is from the people you never hear about. Who never talk about it. Who never think twice about how good a person it makes them. Who just help because they can. They don't deduct it from their taxes to get the money back.

That's why it's really hard to find true charity in the world. It ceases to be "charity" once you benefit in some way. At least in this posters opinion.

Anyhow. With that said closing it down was not the proper way to handle this situation. A charity exists to fundraise for the needy who can't fundraise for themselves. It is not a good idea for the organizers to refuse funds for their cause because it is raised by a group of people associated with a certain movement. Nor was it ever right for the few people to use it as some sort of weapon but to punish the entire fundraising because a few people used their donation inappropriately, is folly.

Where do we draw the line? If a cancer association decides to use its name to gather funds for Childs Play, should they be refused because they have their own goal? An extreme example but an unfortunate consequence of this decision. Obviously the Retake movement was not clear with how they presented this charity drive. Whether it was done maliciously, accidently, or if people just can't read...is irrelevent. 

I will not go so far as to assume they did this because of pressure from Bioware. I haven't lost THAT much faith in humanity. However, I will say it is likely a mistake born of them being unable to separate their own opinions from their cause.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 23 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[Dreogan]

OP is an idiot on two levels: the combative stance on twitter, and talking to Gabe instead of Tycho.

Make that three levels, where three is actually bringing this up after they'd already posted on their main page.

[CavScout]

RetakeME folks can still donate directly to the charity. If they refuse to do so, it kinda of makes his point, doesn't it?

[The Angry One]

Who the hell would be so stupid as to think donating to this charity would buy a new ending?
The reasons for donating were made abundantly clear. I can't help but think trolls are afoot.

[Blackmind1]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

Goose1004 wrote...

Marixus99.9 wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect

Their response.

Needs to be quoted again

Very well said. As it stood, Child's Play was being used as a tool, and it was disgraceful that it got as far as it did. People were using it as an emotional weapon against Bioware so they could get their ending fixed.

If you think this was the only reason people donated, you are a fool.

I'm sorry, but what was the other reason, then? Because it wouldn't have been there if ME3 turned out fine.

You keep convincing yourself that you were doing it just for charity. I'll just sit here and watch the spaghetti fall from your pockets.

[SirCrimz]

The moment someone started saying that our donations were us "buying the ending", it went sour. Not to mention the people they mentioned that were asking for refunds to a freaking charity. Seriously? Why would anyone ask for a refund on their charity?

[The Angry One]

CavScout wrote...

RetakeME folks can still donate directly to the charity. If they refuse to do so, it kinda of makes his point, doesn't it?

No it doesn't, because again charities are used to promote agendas all the time, he has no point and is just stamping his feet to please his sponsors and PAX guests.

[Actinguy1]

I understand those that feel I shouldn't have been so negative. I'm a human, I have emotions, and when I learned that someone I trusted had done something I saw as a betrayal, I had a knee jerk reaction.

I will continue to support Child's Play. Unfortunately, I can not continue to support Penny Arcade.

[thesnake777]

Ive been very annoyed with PA lately. But i read Tychos post and can respect his reasoning.
Regardless alot of good came out of it and it did help us.

[garf]

Narsilsword wrote...

Guys' I'm hesitant to say this but it sort of is wrong to use a charity to further another cause.

The best thing for them was to do this. Using a charity to give your cause a positive vibe is kind of insulting to the charity.

I support fixing the endings, but I feel that morally this is the right thing. I mean this respectfully

Agreed. I think it did have a positive spin in that it cut the legs out from the 'entitled' crowd but any point that needed to be proved was proved. and If the operator of the charity was experiencing problems .. Then it's a good idea to stop. We don't want to make problems for anyone other than Bioware's bottom line and that ONLY becuase it's the only resource we have. If we could solve it just by saying 'please' I'm sure we would have.

[Marixus99.9]

The Angry One wrote...

Who the hell would be so stupid as to think donating to this charity would buy a new ending?
The reasons for donating were made abundantly clear. I can't help but think trolls are afoot.

Who knows, but they created problems for the charity ..

[Budgier]

Hold the line.

It's no one's fault but the donators themselves for donating under a false impression when the information to tell them otherwise was right in their face. That's still a lousy reason to shut down a successful charity effort, because they didn't want to deal with customer service stress.

[ConradsLaces]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Read Tycho's post, guys. He liked the charity drive, but he needed to make a policy decision regarding donation drives for causes to prevent future uncomfortable situations. It's not an unfair move, and if you still want to help kids, just donate. They haven't banned you from donating.

This.
Whilew it can be perceived as a d!ck move by some... it openes up dangerous territory for them - as Gabe said in the twitter posts..

What if <BAD PERSON/ORGANIZATION/CAUSE> decided to follow your lead, and use Child's Play as thier rallying banner. garnering close to 100,000 dollars for the charity? I don't want to fill in a particular organization/person/cause, because we're all fully capable of thinking up one for ourselves... and what I find deplorable, someone else might find ok. Actually, being the internet being what it is... what I find deplorable, someone else will be a staunch defender of.

[Verkir]

Apparently some of the people giving to the cause seemed to think that they were paying for a new ending to Mass Effect. She’s been asked what the goal is, and how much they need to raise in order to get the ending produced. We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back. This is in addition to readers who simply couldn’t understand how this was connected to Child’s Play’s mission. We were dealing with a lot of very confused people, more every day, and that told us we had a problem.

WHO THE **** WITHDREW THEIR DONATIONS BECAUSE IT WASN'T FOR A "NEW ENDING"

GO ROT IN HELL.

[Quietness]

The Angry One wrote...

CavScout wrote...

RetakeME folks can still donate directly to the charity. If they refuse to do so, it kinda of makes his point, doesn't it?

No it doesn't, because again charities are used to promote agendas all the time, he has no point and is just stamping his feet to please his sponsors and PAX guests.

The Secret World, during last year big fundraiser for CP  one of the developers was giving away free stuff on a tier system based on how much you donated.

[ConradsLaces]

The Angry One wrote...

CavScout wrote...

RetakeME folks can still donate directly to the charity. If they refuse to do so, it kinda of makes his point, doesn't it?

No it doesn't, because again charities are used to promote agendas all the time, he has no point and is just stamping his feet to please his sponsors and PAX guests.

EDIT - removed my own tripe. I was angry, and said something kinda mean. Sorry, AngryOne.

Modifié par ConradsLaces, 23 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[xdognatex]

How can you say this has any affect the charity, other than in good way, gets the name out(I didnt know about it till all this) and raised money. I seriously doubt anyone who was going to donate will suddenly not because oh yea that charity that helps sick kids has something to do with retake mass effect.

On another note who are the douche bags who thought they were buying a new ending and then asked for a refund of their money back after just wow..............................if thats true, then sad stuff.

Modifié par xdognatex, 23 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[The Angry One]

ConradsLaces wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Read Tycho's post, guys. He liked the charity drive, but he needed to make a policy decision regarding donation drives for causes to prevent future uncomfortable situations. It's not an unfair move, and if you still want to help kids, just donate. They haven't banned you from donating.

This.
Whilew it can be perceived as a d!ck move by some... it openes up dangerous territory for them - as Gabe said in the twitter posts..

What if <BAD PERSON/ORGANIZATION/CAUSE> decided to follow your lead, and use Child's Play as thier rallying banner. garnering close to 100,000 dollars for the charity? I don't want to fill in a particular organization/person/cause, because we're all fully capable of thinking up one for ourselves... and what I find deplorable, someone else might find ok. Actually, being the internet being what it is... what I find deplorable, someone else will be a staunch defender of.

Slippery slopes now? Hey, that's spacebrat logic, so why not.

[magikbbg]

The Angry One wrote...

No it doesn't, because again charities are used to promote agendas all the time, he has no point and is just stamping his feet to please his sponsors and PAX guests.

Can you stop being so right? lol, you know there is always an agenda - just don't be so naive 

[Actinguy1]

Dreogan wrote...

OP is an idiot on two levels: the combative stance on twitter, and talking to Gabe instead of Tycho.

Make that three levels, where three is actually bringing this up after they'd already posted on their main page.

As you can see in the OP, I engaged both Gabe and Tycho.  Gabe was the only one to respond. 

And I had the Twitter discussion with them before they posted their response. 

[mghjr6]

I don't mean to sound delusional or naive, but I took the Retake/Child's Play thing as a way to do exactly what Child's Play was supposed to do in the first place: show people that we aren't a bunch of silly, uncivil basement dwellers while doing something good for charity. No offense to anyone who happens to dwell in a basement...

I know I felt good after making a donation.

[CavScout]

The Angry One wrote...

CavScout wrote...

RetakeME folks can still donate directly to the charity. If they refuse to do so, it kinda of makes his point, doesn't it?

No it doesn't, because again charities are used to promote agendas all the time, he has no point and is just stamping his feet to please his sponsors and PAX guests.

Is everything that's not supporting RetakeME a conspiracy to you?