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[Qutayba]

Why I donated, and why I would do it again:

Like many I was appalled at the more over-reactions to the ending: ratings bombs, twitter harrassment, forum trolls and flames. Those just didn't seem to be the right way to go about it. The charity drive caught my eye, and I said to myself, well, here's a chance to take a stand for civility. If I'm going to support the Retake movement, I want it to be because I am passionate about gaming and this game, in particular, bot because I hate BioWare or want to ruin the lives of BioWare employees.

The way I looked at it, it was an attempt to retake Retake. I actually can understand that they don't want their charity politicized. I get that. But unfortunately, removing the drive has much the same effect. Why not just let it finish its term in early April as planned?

[Space Magic]

ConradsLaces wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Read Tycho's post, guys. He liked the charity drive, but he needed to make a policy decision regarding donation drives for causes to prevent future uncomfortable situations. It's not an unfair move, and if you still want to help kids, just donate. They haven't banned you from donating.

This.
Whilew it can be perceived as a d!ck move by some... it openes up dangerous territory for them - as Gabe said in the twitter posts..

What if <BAD PERSON/ORGANIZATION/CAUSE> decided to follow your lead, and use Child's Play as thier rallying banner. garnering close to 100,000 dollars for the charity? I don't want to fill in a particular organization/person/cause, because we're all fully capable of thinking up one for ourselves... and what I find deplorable, someone else might find ok. Actually, being the internet being what it is... what I find deplorable, someone else will be a staunch defender of.

Yeah, I thought Tycho's points pretty much made sense.

[DarkSpider88]

Marixus99.9 wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect

Their response.

Hey I can understand if the charity was causing them problems running the organization. Technically it is their charity and we are hurting their reputation, even if the people who think so are misinformed, it is their right to be able to ask us to stop. Although I must disagree with his assessment that we won, nobody will know that until April.

[nytraven]

I can agree with Tycho's response in that linked blog post. If the person in charge of the charity there at penny arcade was getting numerous emails inquiring about things like how much money it would take to get the ending made, etc, that would be causing a problem. Lots of the donators might not have realized that it was just being a way to vent our frustration into something positive and possibly thought the charity was directly connected to Bioware.

[charmedmeat]

tamperous wrote...

Hypocrite, like he didn't use that charity to drum up attention for Penny Arcade.

And PAX

[msp]

It's their charity and their rules. I can certainly see where they are coming from - just imagine what kind of mess they would have to deal with if, say, some of the anti- or pro- abortion movements decided to start a "donate to Child's Play" drive.

They had to draw a line somewhere, and their answer seems to be a rather simple "donations with no other causes attached" rule. However I might feel about PA's position on ME3 ending controversy, this call makes perfect sense to me. No hard feelings here.

[The Angry One]

CavScout wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

CavScout wrote...

RetakeME folks can still donate directly to the charity. If they refuse to do so, it kinda of makes his point, doesn't it?

No it doesn't, because again charities are used to promote agendas all the time, he has no point and is just stamping his feet to please his sponsors and PAX guests.

Is everything that's not supporting RetakeME a conspiracy to you?

It's not a conspiracy, it's a greedy man putting his own interests first. That simple.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Vasparian wrote...

I thought this take back thing was a good idea. Now I know it's not. Bashing people that run a charity(PA in this case), selling merchandise via their facebook, and other things. It just makes me sick. I loved most of ME3, the endings are all that bugged me. I refuse to be a part of a group that acts this way. The take back people should be ashamed.

But not all of us are doing that, so...? Best not to judge a group based on the actions of a few.

And the idea that people were actually asking for refunds...ugh. I guess it's their prerogative, but the idea makes me uncomfortable to the nth degree. But I echo my earlier sentiment: we raised money and helped a bunch of kids in need. And we can continue to donate, even if the Retake movement isn't attached.

[Blackmind1]

The Angry One wrote...

CavScout wrote...

RetakeME folks can still donate directly to the charity. If they refuse to do so, it kinda of makes his point, doesn't it?

No it doesn't, because again charities are used to promote agendas all the time, he has no point and is just stamping his feet to please his sponsors and PAX guests.

Now this is just precious.

[evisneffo]

Verkir wrote...

WHO THE **** WITHDREW THEIR DONATIONS BECAUSE IT WASN'T FOR A "NEW ENDING"

GO ROT IN HELL.

Yeah I'd like to know who did this. That would have to be either a wild misunderstanding or an absolutely appalling attitude.

[xdognatex]

Pick a new charity, Ok it with them first im sure theres a good one out there that would like the money/publicity. Once we find one ill be the fist to donate.

[DiabolicallyRandom]

I guess I can see what he is saying, given the policy they apparently are going to apply. I can't say I agree with it though, honestly. This is just the inverse of the games people have been playing lately - example - Komen pulling support for planned parenthood, because of abortions. This would be like planned parenthood refusing to take money from people because Komen was telling people to donate to planned parenthood to support breast cancer screening.

I can see requiring clear specification of exactly what the donations are for, where they are going, etc. And perhaps Retake ME3 didn't do the BEST job possible being crystal clear about what the deal was.

But honestly, anyone asking for their donations back? They were complete idiots who didn't bother to read what they were clicking. I agree that Retake ME3 should have had a clearer and more prominent disclaimer on their chip-in page, but to outright basically shut them down, and codify a rule that nothing like that will EVER be allowed again is stupid.

I guess they should be pulling out of humble bundles now too, right? Because with humble bundles, Childs Play is not THE cause - you can just choose to give them SOME money, to get a game in return. How is this any different, aside from unclear disclaimers? Honestly, I think PA got it wrong on this subject.

[The Angry One]

msp wrote...

It's their charity and their rules. I can certainly see where they are coming from - just imagine what kind of mess they would have to deal with if, say, some of the anti- or pro- abortion movements decided to start a "donate to Child's Play" drive.

They had to draw a line somewhere, and their answer seems to be a rather simple "donations with no other causes attached" rule. However I might feel about PA's position on ME3 ending controversy, this call makes perfect sense to me. No hard feelings here.

I assume therefore that they will no longer accept any developer promotions or anything of the sort for CP as they have in the past. After all, one shouldn't donate for ulterior motives.

[GnusmasTHX]

It's obvious he was worried about Team Rocket using the charity for their nefarious ends.

[garf]

msp wrote...

It's their charity and their rules. I can certainly see where they are coming from - just imagine what kind of mess they would have to deal with if, say, some of the anti- or pro- abortion movements decided to start a "donate to Child's Play" drive.

They had to draw a line somewhere, and their answer seems to be a rather simple "donations with no other causes attached" rule. However I might feel about PA's position on ME3 ending controversy, this call makes perfect sense to me. No hard feelings here.

Exactly. all my hard feelings for PA comefrom them being part of the 'entitled whiners shouldn't change ART' crowd.

[bucyrus5000]

Ask them to give back the money, I'm sure Wounded Warriors does not have the same "scruples" *COUGH* corporate pandering *COUGH*

[yllamana]

People should stop acting like "penny arcade" has some unified opinion. It's easy to read the comic they made as an attack if you're going into it with a defensive mindset, but that wasn't the intent. Read the news post. The first line says it:

It occurred to us that, like the Council of Elrond, we had the power to unite the mortal races against a common foe. We could just make our own new ending everyone could rally around.

Tycho and Gabe are not one person. Gabe liked the ending. Tycho can see the complaints fine and all his posts reflect that.

[WizenSlinky0]

nytraven wrote...

I can agree with Tycho's response in that linked blog post. If the person in charge of the charity there at penny arcade was getting numerous emails inquiring about things like how much money it would take to get the ending made, etc, that would be causing a problem. Lots of the donators might not have realized that it was just being a way to vent our frustration into something positive and possibly thought the charity was directly connected to Bioware.

That's a problem with presentation, not the actual drive itself. It would have been more prudent to try and work with the organizers of the drive to clarify the message and what the money was going towards. If they refused, you could remove the drive then, and explain as such.

[leondes1]

Actinguy1 wrote...

Greetings, super friends!  Like many of you, I was appalled by Penny Arcade's decision to shut down the charity.  I tweeted "Tycho" and "Gabe" (Penny Arcade's founders) about my dismay.  Gabe was kind enough to respond.  I am @TheFroats.

 @TheFroats:
@cwgabriel @TychoBrahe We say, here, free money to go buy sick children toys...and you say NO??? Have you guys lost your God Damned MINDS?

@TheFroats:
@cwgabriel @TychoBrahe CP used to be about helping kids and combating negative gamer stereotypes. What changed? You forgot your mission.

@cwgabriel:
@TheFroats I don't know what to tell you man. If you read what Jamie said and still think that way I'm sorry.

@TheFroats
I did and I do. If someone says "Support child's play if you like Kiddie Porn", shut that down, totally. But a blanket policy?

@cwgabriel:
@TheFroats Child's Play is not a tool to draw attention to your cause. Child's Play is the cause. That's our feeling on it.

@TheFroats
@cwgabriel It was not a tool to draw attention. It was a tool to fight a negative stereotype...which is why you guys created it, remember?

@cwgabriel:
@TheFroats it's not your tool to fight your negative stereotype. you can not use the charity as a shield.

@TheFroats
@cwgabriel It was a tool to fight "our" negative stereotype...the one you created the charity to fight. Gamers. Not ME3 detractors. Gamers.

@TheFroats
@cwgabriel Maybe I can't change your mind. But you were one of the good guys...and you broke my heart tonight. We wanted to help and we did.

@cwgabriel
@TheFroats I'm sorry man. I hope me taking the time to talk with you about it at least shows you that I care about it.

@TheFroats
@cwgabriel I don't doubt you care, I doubt that you're making the right call. Who's helping the kids, who's hurting them? Thx for your time.
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Thought I'd post this so people at least can see where they're coming from.  Am I wrong?  Is he?

Don't know if anyone told you this, but forward this to forbes. Seriously.

[SuperTeal]

And I'm done giving any support to Penny Arcade.

[Quietness]

Actually im more pissed now at the random A**Hats who chargedback on donations.

[aliengmr1]

CavScout wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

CavScout wrote...

RetakeME folks can still donate directly to the charity. If they refuse to do so, it kinda of makes his point, doesn't it?

No it doesn't, because again charities are used to promote agendas all the time, he has no point and is just stamping his feet to please his sponsors and PAX guests.

Is everything that's not supporting RetakeME a conspiracy to you?

Can we just stop please. You said your piece. lets all just drop it.

[CavScout]

The Angry One wrote...

CavScout wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

CavScout wrote...

RetakeME folks can still donate directly to the charity. If they refuse to do so, it kinda of makes his point, doesn't it?

No it doesn't, because again charities are used to promote agendas all the time, he has no point and is just stamping his feet to please his sponsors and PAX guests.

Is everything that's not supporting RetakeME a conspiracy to you?

It's not a conspiracy, it's a greedy man putting his own interests first. That simple.

Retake ME can still solicit donations to be made to CP. They just have to be made directly and not for "the cause". If these stop because of this, then yes self-interest was always at the heart of the drive.

[Vorodill]

Hmm... these guys have to learn a little more about human nature. People always give to get something in return (the "something" can be simple satisfaction).

Too bad. Well, it DID help kids. Just don't buy them ME3.

[charmedmeat]

Blackmind1 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

Goose1004 wrote...

Marixus99.9 wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect

Their response.

Needs to be quoted again

Very well said. As it stood, Child's Play was being used as a tool, and it was disgraceful that it got as far as it did. People were using it as an emotional weapon against Bioware so they could get their ending fixed.

If you think this was the only reason people donated, you are a fool.

I'm sorry, but what was the other reason, then? Because it wouldn't have been there if ME3 turned out fine.

You keep convincing yourself that you were doing it just for charity. I'll just sit here and watch the spaghetti fall from your pockets.

So do you feel that it's just as disgraceful for PA to promote PAX and PA through Child's Play?