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[CronoDragoon]

Blackmind1 wrote...

I'm sorry, but what was the other reason, then? Because it wouldn't have been there if ME3 turned out fine.

You keep convincing yourself that you were doing it just for charity. I'll just sit here and watch the spaghetti fall from your pockets.

I donated because it made me feel good when I was feeling crappy, being able to benefit someone instead of just raging on a message board. But you can keep spouting hate as a way to get back at the retake movement, if you like.

[Vengilus]

Narsilsword wrote...

Guys' I'm hesitant to say this but it sort of is wrong to use a charity to further another cause.

The best thing for them was to do this. Using a charity to give your cause a positive vibe is kind of insulting to the charity.

I support fixing the endings, but I feel that morally this is the right thing. I mean this respectfully

No need to be hesitant, speak your peace. I, for one, agree.

Regardless of what charity has or has not been used as a platform in relation to other motives, for us it should never be about trying to "buy an ending" or garner sympathy.

I 'm just starting to hope we collectively can calm down a bit. Never stop holding the line, of course, just be more civil and understanding.

Be excellent to each other. Love and tolerance. Golden rule. Tomorrow is another day.

[GnusmasTHX]

Quietness wrote...

Actually im more pissed now at the random A**Hats who chargedback on donations.

Yep. 

[tamperous]

I do see his point though, the contribution was becoming very large, Its not a stretch to say it would have reached over 100k.

At some point it would become the story instead of their work. He's still a hypocrite because the charity was founded to bring attention to his business.

[Statulos]

CavScout wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

CavScout wrote...

RetakeME folks can still donate directly to the charity. If they refuse to do so, it kinda of makes his point, doesn't it?

No it doesn't, because again charities are used to promote agendas all the time, he has no point and is just stamping his feet to please his sponsors and PAX guests.

Is everything that's not supporting RetakeME a conspiracy to you?

Conspiracy? Nah, not really. Fear? Maybe closer.

If PA wanted nothing from Retake, they could at least have stopped the donation days ago. Not, how curious, when it got to a huge amount of money.

Modifié par Statulos, 23 mars 2012 - 05:37 .

[The Angry One]

Quietness wrote...

Actually im more pissed now at the random A**Hats who chargedback on donations.

I just don't understand the logic.
Money + charity = new ending?
Spacebrat displayed more coherent thought than this.

[NeecHMonkeY]

Wow... just wow.

I hope they refunded the money that was raised.

[Nuclear Pete]

How is this any differant to McDonald's supporting charities?

Can't believe they would turn money away because of a harmless campaign.

Modifié par Nuclear Pete, 23 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[Cody211282]

CavScout wrote...

RetakeME folks can still donate directly to the charity. If they refuse to do so, it kinda of makes his point, doesn't it?

Good point, plus do I really need that $10?

Modifié par Cody211282, 23 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[defenestrated]

Quietness wrote...

Actually im more pissed now at the random A**Hats who chargedback on donations.

It's part of the reason I just donated an extra $10 bucks. I understand being a bit hurt and disappointed at the move - I am too - but asking for the money back is crass.

The charity drive was a nice gesture. I'd hate to see it turn into something meanspirited.

[Quietness]

The Angry One wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Actually im more pissed now at the random A**Hats who chargedback on donations.

I just don't understand the logic.
Money + charity = new ending?
Spacebrat displayed more coherent thought than this.

and not by much. Im just shocked at how disgusting people are, the whole point of this was to turn all that crap into something positive. Now this? are you f****** kidding me?

[magikbbg]

Vorodill wrote...

Hmm... these guys have to learn a little more about human nature. People always give to get something in return (the "something" can be simple satisfaction).

Too bad. Well, it DID help kids. Just don't buy them ME3.

HAHA what a waste of money it would be if they were given Copies of ME3 with the our donations from Retake. hahahaha

[Jayce]

Vasparian wrote...

I thought this take back thing was a good idea. Now I know it's not. Bashing people that run a charity(PA in this case), selling merchandise via their facebook, and other things. It just makes me sick. I loved most of ME3, the endings are all that bugged me. I refuse to be a part of a group that acts this way. The take back people should be ashamed.

Balls. The Takeback crew were completely open that they wanted to get retake supporters to also support Childsplay. It's right there in bold print. The whole purpose was to benefit the charity as an aside. That it was good publicity for retake as well was just gravy.

Tycho's statement reeks of a convinient excuse to disassociate. He even has the audacty to imply the drive stopped because "they won", when anyone who paid attention knows it was because PA asked them to.

Modifié par Jayce F, 23 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[Silveralen]

They just closed it though, right? They didn't do something silly, like refund or return the money? That'd just be sad, to let personal feelings get in the way of what we already accomplish.

[xsdob]

Did anyone actually see the reason, it's because people were using the charity as if they were the ones that created it. You didn't start the charity, they did, you can't just hijack it and turn it into a polarizing talking point about how awesome you are.

It's a policy based around the moral philosophy of the categorical imperative that states that something is moral only if it is moral in all situations. News stories often use a similar philosophy when it comes to reporting and requiring two sources for a story to be shown, no matter what. Is it dumb, yeah, is it unrealistic, yeah it's unrealistic and impractical, but it is a standard many subscribe to.

Even if you do not agree with it, it doesn't mean they value the policy more than the children's health, but it works in stopping illegitimate causes saying that because we were the exception, that they should be excused as well. Also, it stops people from accusing Child's Play of purposely discriminating against other causes by showing biases towards some.

[deimosmasque]

M12311 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Who the hell cares why people donate, if people want to donate to promote a cause let them.
Stop pretending this has anything to do with using a charity to promote a cause, that's done all the time. The charities benefit either way.

This is the biased fools at PA making it clear that they don't want to be associated with anything that may jeapordise their relationship with BioWare.
Gabe and Mike are a pair of shills, and they disgust me.

THIS ^

Bull!  Read their own statement.  People were actually contacting paypal and canceling their donations when they realized it was Child's Play not "New Mass Effect Ending."  It has nothing to do with bias or their relationship with Bioware.  Gabe and Tycho could live off their PAX money alone.  

If you want to promote a charity fine, promote the charity.  If you want to attach your own groups goals to that charity drive, then you are in the wrong.  If only because you are confusing those who donate.

Think of it this way, divorced from the 'ending controversy:'

If the 'League of Christians Against Abortion' suddenly started raising money for an orgainzation that was meant to watchdown malpractice in hospitals and free clinics.  And part of the LoCaA stated as their mission "To elimiate and criminalize the abortion problem in the USA and abroad," do you think that organization would really think that money was just because those poeple believed in malpractice watchdoging? 

Would those donating only think they were donating only to watchdog malpractice?  Or would they think their donation would help the stated goal of "eliminating the abortion problem?"

It's a complex issue, and I like I said, its said that they ending the drive, but honestly I'd rather Child's Play be serperated from this issue all together.  If you really want to start a charity drive of Mass Effect players.  Call it "Mass Effect Fans in Support of Child's Play"

[Jack Harper24]

Yeah, they just probably take money from someone else for an other cause...

What causes?<_<

Someone probably give them more than the fans so they can just shut their mouth!

[CronoDragoon]

garf wrote...

msp wrote...

It's their charity and their rules. I can certainly see where they are coming from - just imagine what kind of mess they would have to deal with if, say, some of the anti- or pro- abortion movements decided to start a "donate to Child's Play" drive.

They had to draw a line somewhere, and their answer seems to be a rather simple "donations with no other causes attached" rule. However I might feel about PA's position on ME3 ending controversy, this call makes perfect sense to me. No hard feelings here.

Exactly. all my hard feelings for PA comefrom them being part of the 'entitled whiners shouldn't change ART' crowd.

Except Tycho said that the "this is art so it can't be changed" angle was utterly insane, so you can't generalize about that, either.

[Darksaber2]

This just completely proves that Penny Arcade has jumped the shark. They're so scarred by their run in with the fallout from their **** wolves skit, that literally they're incapable of seeing anything from any perspective that doesn't 100% support an artist's right to do whatever they want without consequence.

Penny Arcade doesn't have a clue what it even is to be a gamer anymore, and they've been showing it more and more and more, and here's the result of it. We used it as a shield, absolutely. Perhaps if the very moment there was a bit of dissenting opinion before the movement was even an idea they didn't explode all over us with negative press from every single source they could leverage claiming that we had no right to be dissatisfied that they lied through their teeth, and calling us entitled because we expected to receive what we were promised.

[CavScout]

Nuclear Pete wrote...

How is this any differant to McDonald's supporting charities?

You really see RetakeME as a corporation?

[Midarc2nd]

The only thing I hope is that when everything is over, one way or another, ChildsPlay would be open to recieving further (perhaps annual) group donations from whatever we become when 'retake' no longer applies.

We did a good thing.
The people who started it did so as a way of using our enthusiasm in a positive direction to the betterment of others.
There's nothing to say we can't do it again.

Perhaps when the attention, divisiveness and associated problems of everything that's going on has faded.

[Dragoonlordz]

defenestrated wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

So he is refusing money for a charity because he doesn't agree with us? WTF

He's not refusing money but the ChipIn for RetakeME3 is no more because he doesn't want Child's Play associated with any causes that aren't Child's Play.

Thats how I read it too and to be honest it is a valid reason. A charity is not one groups way to attack another group, it should not be for personal gain. A way that could avoided them no longer being linked would of been simple soultion like another person said of changing your stance and description used to drum up donations. It should of been along the lines of give to the charity so at least some good can come from your disappointment but that is not what was done. It was donate to the charity in support of your cause. The latter ethically wrong, the former is completley acceptable. I am glad the charity got some money for the kids but you as a group should of gone about it in another way however because if did as I just explained he would not have had to take such action.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[defenestrated]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

Wow... just wow.

I hope they refunded the money that was raised.

Why? We didn't donate it with strings attached, did we? It's still going to sick kids.

[Marixus99.9]

If this thread is going to continue to grow .. it might help if the OP add this link since not everybody reads the 2nd page ..

http://penny-arcade....ke-mass-effect 

[McScroggz24]

I read what Jamie said, and while it saddens me that it happens I have to agree with her point. Imagine this, the charity continues with ReME3, then another group starts a fund as part of a Artistic Integrity for ME3 writers. It's easy to say that both are for charity so they can coexist but the nature of what they start for are at odds with one another. Also, just the name Retake Mass Effect 3 implies, nay states that while the money is for a good cause ultimately ulterior motives are the end goal.