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[Lankist]

Sepharih wrote...

Lankist wrote...

As unfortunate as it is that the drive is stopping, the connection between an agenda-related petition aimed to bring legitimacy to its outcries and a charity-based organization was very weird from the get-go, and wasn't exactly clear on how it was relevant.

Honestly, I really thought it was a good idea because it helped channel a lot of negativity into something that was actually good and helped combat the ienvitable stigma that the retakemasseffect movement were just whinny and entitled.
It was a good idea with noble goals......but this is why we can't have nice things.

It was good for us, but awkward and possibly unwanted for them. You've got to put yourself in their shoes; they're running a charity with noble goals and they don't want their charity to become that thing everybody uses when they get pissy or they start trying to flex their consumer muscles. While they do not necessarily condemn nor endorse whatever goals are attached to that drive, they do not want to be associated with them directly for fear of losing the message in the clutter of ancillary crap.

Imagine you're throwing a house party and you've invited all of your college friends, but then one of them invites his stoner friends over without asking you and they start toking up. You don't really have anything against them, but you don't want your house smelling like pot in the morning, either.

It's a conflict of interests to which ends Child's Play has never had to deal with until now. Naturally, they're going to be far more protective of their core message than anything surrounding it.

Modifié par Lankist, 23 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[Maria Caliban]

Forbes has a new article up.

Nilofeliu wrote...


Here is FORBES latest article regarding the Child's Play drive..

Why Child's Play Stopped Taking Donations from Retake Mass Effect

[garf]

Bump

let's see if the internet rage machine will finally spool down soon.

[Sepharih]

Lankist wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Lankist wrote...

As unfortunate as it is that the drive is stopping, the connection between an agenda-related petition aimed to bring legitimacy to its outcries and a charity-based organization was very weird from the get-go, and wasn't exactly clear on how it was relevant.

Honestly, I really thought it was a good idea because it helped channel a lot of negativity into something that was actually good and helped combat the ienvitable stigma that the retakemasseffect movement were just whinny and entitled.
It was a good idea with noble goals......but this is why we can't have nice things.

It was good for us, but awkward and possibly unwanted for them. You've got to put yourself in their shoes; they're running a charity with noble goals and they don't want their charity to become that thing everybody uses when they get pissy or they start trying to flex their consumer muscles. While they do not necessarily condemn nor endorse whatever goals are attached to that drive, they do not want to be associated with them directly for fear of losing the message in the clutter of ancillary crap.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm totally on Child's Play's side here.   I'm just saying that the idea behind the charity from the retake crowd was a good idea.....it just had some unfortunate consequences.

[Quietness]

Sepharih wrote...

Lankist wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Lankist wrote...

As unfortunate as it is that the drive is stopping, the connection between an agenda-related petition aimed to bring legitimacy to its outcries and a charity-based organization was very weird from the get-go, and wasn't exactly clear on how it was relevant.

Honestly, I really thought it was a good idea because it helped channel a lot of negativity into something that was actually good and helped combat the ienvitable stigma that the retakemasseffect movement were just whinny and entitled.
It was a good idea with noble goals......but this is why we can't have nice things.

It was good for us, but awkward and possibly unwanted for them. You've got to put yourself in their shoes; they're running a charity with noble goals and they don't want their charity to become that thing everybody uses when they get pissy or they start trying to flex their consumer muscles. While they do not necessarily condemn nor endorse whatever goals are attached to that drive, they do not want to be associated with them directly for fear of losing the message in the clutter of ancillary crap.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm totally on Child's Play's side here.   I'm just saying that the idea behind the charity from the retake crowd was a good idea.....it just had some unfortunate consequences.

I guess trusting people to have the ability to have any portion of reading comprehension is a bad thing these days =/

[Erield]

morph4037 wrote...

I hope the people asking for refunds from a charity never reproduce...

[Gulkin]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

How did people actually get confused by this?

Probably people whose first language isn't English.

My first language isn't english and it was really clear. Ok, I have a good reading comprehension but still I mean it was so easy to understand... I have no word.

I think it isn't the only factor here. I think the fact they didn't want us to  be associated with them is one of those too. Few stupids won't change their minds. The pressure from the media and others most be the real reason (good or bad).

Modifié par Gulkin, 23 mars 2012 - 06:47 .

[Quietness]

Erield wrote...

morph4037 wrote...

I hope the people asking for refunds from a charity never reproduce...

yea im all for this.

[Quietness]

bump bump bump

[EdensRainbow]

Thank you for clarifying the issue. This resolves a lot of confusion I had on why the charity was shut down.

[Tyrzun]

Quietness wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Lankist wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Lankist wrote...

As unfortunate as it is that the drive is stopping, the connection between an agenda-related petition aimed to bring legitimacy to its outcries and a charity-based organization was very weird from the get-go, and wasn't exactly clear on how it was relevant.

Honestly, I really thought it was a good idea because it helped channel a lot of negativity into something that was actually good and helped combat the ienvitable stigma that the retakemasseffect movement were just whinny and entitled.
It was a good idea with noble goals......but this is why we can't have nice things.

It was good for us, but awkward and possibly unwanted for them. You've got to put yourself in their shoes; they're running a charity with noble goals and they don't want their charity to become that thing everybody uses when they get pissy or they start trying to flex their consumer muscles. While they do not necessarily condemn nor endorse whatever goals are attached to that drive, they do not want to be associated with them directly for fear of losing the message in the clutter of ancillary crap.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm totally on Child's Play's side here.   I'm just saying that the idea behind the charity from the retake crowd was a good idea.....it just had some unfortunate consequences.

I guess trusting people to have the ability to have any portion of reading comprehension is a bad thing these days =/

PA running a charity for kids for 10 years is just awesome and I actually didn't know they have been doing it for that long until this all came up.  Super Kudos to you PA!!!

Many people think they are doing too much if they give $1 and don't get their name on the wall at X Burger Place...  *cough*  *cough*.

The analogy too much? 

Modifié par Tyrzun, 23 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[Madecologist]

Generally charities do not like being associated with any external movement. Regardless what the movement is. Honestly this has nothing to do with the agenda of Retake ME and the same would have happened if the movement was "Keep ME". It has to do with the fact the movement has an agenda that it is outside of the charity's itself.

The fact there was this... connections was an anomoly. I am sure from now on they will be more catious on how they do thing.

[M12311]

In my opinion pushing this "indian givers" angle will quickly backfire on Penny Arcade / Childs Play.

Bioware destroyed our favorite franchise.

Penny Arcade - with this thread - will destroy the HEART of the Retake Mass Effect movement.

GG. Once that happens trust me, we will never forget.

[Joccaren]

My faith in humanity drops a little more.
Leave them to the Reapers, we must hold the line. If they are unwilling to fight for an ending, and only willing to pay for one, I don't think they need to be considered with us. ESPECIALLY if they fail at basic English skills. Its this sort of stuff that will hurt us in the long run.

[Quietness]

Madecologist wrote...

Generally charities do not like being associated with any external movement. Regardless what the movement is. Honestly this has nothing to do with the agenda of Retake ME and the same would have happened if the movement was "Keep ME". It has to do with the fact the movement has an agenda that it is outside of the charity's itself.

The fact there was this... connections was an anomoly. I am sure from now on they will be more catious on how they do thing.

In my experience most charities are flexable and will work to change any questionable or badly worded portions. When you need donations its all about being flexable.

[Dhraconus]

Just coming along to bump this because a lot of people need to read it.

It's a shame that something intended to be so good has created so much confusion and so many problems. Still a great thing happened and those involved should be proud.

[Gulkin]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Forbes has a new article up.

Nilofeliu wrote...


Here is FORBES latest article regarding the Child's Play drive..

Why Child's Play Stopped Taking Donations from Retake Mass Effect

Good to know. I understand why they did this. It's unfortunate but logical. Worth the try though. 

BUT Penny Arcade reason doesn't fit at all with that one... Maybe he got his anwser from another person but still...

Modifié par Gulkin, 23 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[Quietness]

M12311 wrote...

In my opinion pushing this "indian givers" angle will quickly backfire on Penny Arcade / Childs Play.

Bioware destroyed our favorite franchise.

Penny Arcade - with this thread - will destroy the HEART of the Retake Mass Effect movement.

GG. Once that happens trust me, we will never forget.

Eh, Chargebacks really throw a wrench in things, and PayPal is a really bad racketeering scam ( sorry i dont like PayPal) If they receive too many chargebacks or deem you "high risk" than they will start demanding larger and large amounts to be held on the paypal account until the time that you close it. (even than its a year or 2 after the business/non-profit is closed)

[defenestrated]

M12311 wrote...

In my opinion pushing this "indian givers" angle will quickly backfire on Penny Arcade / Childs Play.

Some forum posters (not many, but some) have spoken out about refunds. Sad as it is, it seems to be legit. Assuming a conspiracy here helps absolutely no one.

It turns a neat charity drive that raised a lot of money for kids into something bitter.

[Tyrzun]

Dhraconus wrote...

Just coming along to bump this because a lot of people need to read it.

It's a shame that something intended to be so good has created so much confusion and so many problems. Still a great thing happened and those involved should be proud.

$5 for kids is great, $80,000 is outstanding!

Nothing anyone says or does can change that.

Not enough praise and admiration can ever be given to people that run charities and help those in need.  More now than ever, in this time of me me me. 

No matter what happens with this game, it will have always been worth it.  That's the best part.

[M12311]

Hehe. You should change the title of this thread to gibberish asap, you don't realize the damage you are going to do to PA/CP/Bioware when the "indian giver" angle gets picked up by the media. 

[Quietness]

M12311 wrote...

Hehe. You should change the title of this thread to gibberish asap, you don't realize the damage you are going to do to PA/CP/Bioware when the "indian giver" angle gets picked up by the media. 

This information will be pulled from PA's website by anyone so that renders that part moot, i am not sure where you are getting how this will negatively affect PA/CP/Bioware.

[Tyrzun]

defenestrated wrote...

M12311 wrote...

In my opinion pushing this "indian givers" angle will quickly backfire on Penny Arcade / Childs Play.

Some forum posters (not many, but some) have spoken out about refunds. Sad as it is, it seems to be legit. Assuming a conspiracy here helps absolutely no one.

It turns a neat charity drive that raised a lot of money for kids into something bitter.

That kind of stuff is to be expected.

I'm not so sure of the helps absolutely no one statement.  If you want to cause harm to the charity, you'd do things like that.  It's well known that many people don't mind harming children around the world.  Trolls and bullies in fact enjoy harming others.  That is what makes them tick.

It's sad and pathetic, but it is a reality we all have to live with.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 23 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[Quietness]

defenestrated wrote...

M12311 wrote...

In my opinion pushing this "indian givers" angle will quickly backfire on Penny Arcade / Childs Play.

Some forum posters (not many, but some) have spoken out about refunds. Sad as it is, it seems to be legit. Assuming a conspiracy here helps absolutely no one.

It turns a neat charity drive that raised a lot of money for kids into something bitter.

Gotta love the tinfoil hats... but its really sad that it has come to this. 

[Tocquevillain]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

This charity was for the KIDS not the ending.

We did good.

But for many people, they donated because of the ending, and that put a burden on CP. Good move on their part, they need to protect the integrity and independence of the charity.