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Would you prefer a re-write or an explanation?
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#27
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:20
byne
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Rewrite.
I dont want a better explanation about why the best way to save the galaxy was to destroy galactic civilization.
I dont want a better explanation of why green light turns people into robots.
I dont want a better explanation of why my crew, who have always stuck by me, no matter what, decided to ditch me.
You know why I dont want a better explanation?
Because its all ridiculous on the face of it.
You're never going to be able to properly explain why Liara, who even if she didnt romance you, risked her life to recover your body and bring you back to life, decided to just abandon you at the end. Even less so if she romanced you.
You're never going to be able to explain how green light turns people into robots without space magic.
You may be able to explain destruction of the relays, but it seems like a choice made just to make the ending extra dark, and less because it needed to happen.
You may be able to 'explain' it with indoctrination theory, but even if indoctrination was the plan all along, its still less of an explanation and more of a rewrite.
I dont want a better explanation about why the best way to save the galaxy was to destroy galactic civilization.
I dont want a better explanation of why green light turns people into robots.
I dont want a better explanation of why my crew, who have always stuck by me, no matter what, decided to ditch me.
You know why I dont want a better explanation?
Because its all ridiculous on the face of it.
You're never going to be able to properly explain why Liara, who even if she didnt romance you, risked her life to recover your body and bring you back to life, decided to just abandon you at the end. Even less so if she romanced you.
You're never going to be able to explain how green light turns people into robots without space magic.
You may be able to explain destruction of the relays, but it seems like a choice made just to make the ending extra dark, and less because it needed to happen.
You may be able to 'explain' it with indoctrination theory, but even if indoctrination was the plan all along, its still less of an explanation and more of a rewrite.
Modifié par byne, 23 mars 2012 - 07:23 .
#28
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:20
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Rewrite. My major problems were the crew getting marooned for the rest of their lives and the galactic dark age. Explaining those two parts won't make it any better. Not a fan of the Catalyst, but I could live with it as long as the other two were changed.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:21
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Rewrite.
The Catalyst/Citadel invalidates ME1 and the rest of the series.
The Catalyst/Citadel invalidates ME1 and the rest of the series.
#30
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:22
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A dlc that says shepard really did die at the end of ME2 and none of this actually happened. Here's a new game picking up right where 2 left off with a new character. have fun.
#31
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:23
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Rewrite or make use of the indoctrination theory which I think perfectly could make sense.
#32
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:24
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Rewrite. All of it is horrible.
Explanation would be OK, I guess, but it still leaves the ending as crap and unfinished. Indoctrination theory is just a way to explain a terrible ending that shouldn't have been there to begin with.
Explanation would be OK, I guess, but it still leaves the ending as crap and unfinished. Indoctrination theory is just a way to explain a terrible ending that shouldn't have been there to begin with.
#34
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:24
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I'd like to see them try to explain the ending as it currently exists, but purely as an intellectual exercise that doesn't need to be anywhere near the game. There's so much frank impossibility involved in what's presented that it'd be like trying to add a sumo wrestler and a Chevrolet together to come up with a Great White Shark.
So... rewrite. Extensive rewrite.
So... rewrite. Extensive rewrite.
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#35
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:24
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Rewrite, holy god a rewrite. Explaining why you let your two year old smear its **** all over my walls isn't going to help the situation.
I think I'm getting better with these comedic metaphors as time goes on, or at least they're coming to me faster. I used to have to think for a few seconds, now they're just there.
I think I'm getting better with these comedic metaphors as time goes on, or at least they're coming to me faster. I used to have to think for a few seconds, now they're just there.
#36
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:26
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I would pay for a rewrite. If it's an explanation, I'd rather it be patched. I don't care if it's a damn text prompt like in DA: Origins. "Scotty beamed Liara and Garrus up onto the Normandy and Joker, sensing a disturbance in The Force, got the hell out of dodge; Liara, having secretly impregnated herself with Femshep's blue babies during their final moments together, found a secluded spot on the tropical world Joker crashed on and spent the next four hundred years mourning her lost love while raising their damned kids alone, eating foreign world mangos and having the occasional threesome with Joker and EDI. Fin."
Seriously, though, I'd pay for a DLC rewrite.GLADLY.
Seriously, though, I'd pay for a DLC rewrite.GLADLY.
#37
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:28
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I agree.byne wrote...
Rewrite.
I dont want a better explanation about why the best way to save the galaxy was to destroy galactic civilization.
I dont want a better explanation of why green light turns people into robots.
I dont want a better explanation of why my crew, who have always stuck by me, no matter what, decided to ditch me.
You know why I dont want a better explanation?
Because its all ridiculous on the face of it.
You're never going to be able to properly explain why Liara, who even if she didnt romance you, risked her life to recover your body and bring you back to life, decided to just abandon you at the end. Even less so if she romanced you.
You're never going to be able to explain how green light turns people into robots without space magic.
You may be able to explain destruction of the relays, but it seems like a choice made just to make the ending extra dark, and less because it needed to happen.
You may be able to 'explain' it with indoctrination theory, but even if indoctrination was the plan all along, its still less of an explanation and more of a rewrite.
Just adding scenes to the current ending does not satisfy.
But I see how they wouldn't want to undo their work on the current ending.
So an alternative would be for the best. The more quality alternatives are made the better the ending will truly represent the gameplay that made Bioware popular.
#38
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:30
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If they could explain it to me not only in a way that made it logical and good, I’d actually be interested in hearing it. However, I’m diametrically opposed to the use of the Catalyst, so my vote is rewrite. (I'd be willing to pay for a rewrite but not an explanation.)
Modifié par Kayawyn4, 23 mars 2012 - 07:31 .
#39
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:30
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Reposting from another thread just 'cause...but this would mostly salvage the "destroy" ending for me (with a minimal amount of work relative to other solutions):
Shepard shoots up that control thing...red light everywhere. The Reapers
shut down...then when that big red beam shoots out of the Citadel, and
it hits the relay, instead of blowing it to pieces, it causes a wave of
red energy to sweep out of it in all directions. Every Reaper ship in
the system that's caught in that wave shuts down immediately. Then we
see the beam going from relay to relay across the galaxy, and we can
logically infer that Reapers are being shut down in every system where
there is a relay (while making it explicitly clear that the energy discharge
does NOT destroy the relays it goes through).
Then, instead of cutting to the Normandy crash landing (because that's
just Bwuh?), we can cut to reaction shots of Shepard's friends both on
Earth, and across the galaxy. Some will be cheering, some will be
mourning, some might even be dead. And we have either a voiceover or at
this point, I'll settle for just text boxes giving us the fate of not
only the various characters, but the various factions and civilizations
that we've interacted with over the course of three games.
Not ideal, but something like this would've given me a much better sense of closure, and certainly wouldn't have annoyed me as much. It would also not make me feel like I wasted so much time and energy investing into the story and the characters.
Shepard shoots up that control thing...red light everywhere. The Reapers
shut down...then when that big red beam shoots out of the Citadel, and
it hits the relay, instead of blowing it to pieces, it causes a wave of
red energy to sweep out of it in all directions. Every Reaper ship in
the system that's caught in that wave shuts down immediately. Then we
see the beam going from relay to relay across the galaxy, and we can
logically infer that Reapers are being shut down in every system where
there is a relay (while making it explicitly clear that the energy discharge
does NOT destroy the relays it goes through).
Then, instead of cutting to the Normandy crash landing (because that's
just Bwuh?), we can cut to reaction shots of Shepard's friends both on
Earth, and across the galaxy. Some will be cheering, some will be
mourning, some might even be dead. And we have either a voiceover or at
this point, I'll settle for just text boxes giving us the fate of not
only the various characters, but the various factions and civilizations
that we've interacted with over the course of three games.
Not ideal, but something like this would've given me a much better sense of closure, and certainly wouldn't have annoyed me as much. It would also not make me feel like I wasted so much time and energy investing into the story and the characters.
#40
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:31
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Re-write. They cannot explain Synthesis. Ever.
#41
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:32
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Rewrite.
Adding new endings while expanding/explaining the old ones would also be good. Presuming the new ones are actually good, and nothing like the current ones. This would make everyone happy with the exception of those who deny us our endings out of spite.
Adding new endings while expanding/explaining the old ones would also be good. Presuming the new ones are actually good, and nothing like the current ones. This would make everyone happy with the exception of those who deny us our endings out of spite.
#42
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:34
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The ending as is is totally morally abhorrent it needs a total rewrite
#43
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:34
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I just don't see a rewrite possible considering the factors at play here. The game has launched, so it'd have to be DLC of some sort, free or otherwise, so it would need to be explained in a vague manner to avoid anyone just picking up the game for the first time being hit with the/an ending before they even play it. Not to mention anyone that wanted to see the ending to the game prior to a DLC alteration.
An explanation would ride heavily on how they go about explaining it and that, in its own right, could be a whole new ending right there.
Fleshing it out with an explanation, perhaps new scenes to clear up the confusion during the events shown at the end (like Joker actually picking people up, that sort of thing), and add an epilogue reflecting our choices throughout the series.
All I know is that, above all else, I want to an explanation of the events shown, why they break what was established as concrete Mass Effect universe facts, and how any of my choices mattered at the end of the battle with the Reapers.
Be that new endings, more choices at the end, explanations for the current endings, new cinematic moments, and/or a Dragon Age: Origins epilogue. I just want to know that what they said, about my choices reflecting my ending, is going to be present.
As it stands now, my roommate's game was completely different from my own. We got the exact same ending. Down to the color and sudden breath.
An explanation would ride heavily on how they go about explaining it and that, in its own right, could be a whole new ending right there.
Fleshing it out with an explanation, perhaps new scenes to clear up the confusion during the events shown at the end (like Joker actually picking people up, that sort of thing), and add an epilogue reflecting our choices throughout the series.
All I know is that, above all else, I want to an explanation of the events shown, why they break what was established as concrete Mass Effect universe facts, and how any of my choices mattered at the end of the battle with the Reapers.
Be that new endings, more choices at the end, explanations for the current endings, new cinematic moments, and/or a Dragon Age: Origins epilogue. I just want to know that what they said, about my choices reflecting my ending, is going to be present.
As it stands now, my roommate's game was completely different from my own. We got the exact same ending. Down to the color and sudden breath.
Modifié par blurryhunter, 23 mars 2012 - 07:39 .
#46
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:35
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Rewrite. Spacechild is just a cheap excuse for an ending.
#48
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:36
Mandemon
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Rewrite, since no matter how much you explain, ending is still full of plot holes and is wrong from narrative point of view. It completely breaks established narrative to introduce Diabolus Ex Machima in the last moment to make grimdark for sake of grimdark.
#49
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:37
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Total Rewrite they should just patch out the ending we have so players that might not of made it to the end yet don't have to suffer the disappointing ending like we did.
