Rewrite, god please. The last talks with your squadmates and the fight to the beam are beautiful...everything after NEEDS to be rewritten. Except, of course, Anderson's death. I was crying like a schoolgirl...then I met the Catalyst and proceeded to use the f-bomb in ways I didn't even know were possible.
Would you prefer a re-write or an explanation?
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#102
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:38
Tony208
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Rewrite...
How do you explain plot holes?
How do you explain plot holes?
#103
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:38
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I personally was fine with the endings but felt it need some clarification. Not everything, things should be left to speculation and discussion in a final ending.
Something like DA:O's ending with a few things left out (like did we ever rebuild the Mass Relays) would be fine with me.
Something like DA:O's ending with a few things left out (like did we ever rebuild the Mass Relays) would be fine with me.
#104
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:38
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I would prefer an explanation as I respect their right to artistic integrity (even though I disagree with their ending story).
#105
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:39
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Hudathan wrote...
No new ending. Tighten the existing ones as much as they can and let the chips fall where they may. As unfortunate as it might be to have so many people upset with the ending, I personally wouldn't enjoy the works of storytellers who second guess their own vision. If it turns out that I really dislike their vision, then that's fine in my book. But it's those rare times when creators come up with something unexpectedly good that I look forward to, and I don't want to get in the way of that.
The some of the best stories are from authors who get their work vetted by various peers. Very rarely does a writer create a great story without strong editors to keep their message on the right path. Remember, Stories are to be enjoyed by viewers, not simply written for the sake of writing.
A great example of a creators "vision" getting in the way audience enjoyment is Star Wars Ep: 1,2 & 3.
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#107
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:40
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Rewrite anything that happened after Shepard rode the magic elevator to Space Child, at LEAST, I could plausibly deal with everything else.
#108
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:40
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Honestly?
A re-write. Because the Star Child and everything about the ending premise is severely flawed and IMO poor writing. The Dark Energy plot was much better, and if I had my way, they would just fall back on that.
I think even if they tried to explain the current ending, it would still ultimately be bad due to the core of it being bad. That's just my own personal take on it.
All this said, if they were going to go with the current ending, I wish it would have been fleshed out more. So in that sense, I would be okay with them releasing DLC to further explain it. I would probably still find the ending to be poor, but at least it would be more fleshed out and coherent.
A re-write. Because the Star Child and everything about the ending premise is severely flawed and IMO poor writing. The Dark Energy plot was much better, and if I had my way, they would just fall back on that.
I think even if they tried to explain the current ending, it would still ultimately be bad due to the core of it being bad. That's just my own personal take on it.
All this said, if they were going to go with the current ending, I wish it would have been fleshed out more. So in that sense, I would be okay with them releasing DLC to further explain it. I would probably still find the ending to be poor, but at least it would be more fleshed out and coherent.
#109
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:44
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If it's one or the other: rewrite, easily. Explaing things wouldn't help at all since it still doesn't change that whatever explanation they had didn't show up in the final scenes. It would still look cheap every time I saw the same recycled footage. It's really not a matter of comprehension. It's a matter of poor execution.
That said, I'd like to see them add to it. A complete rewrite is very unlikely, and adding to it would give them a chance to keep what they've done while improving on it.
That said, I'd like to see them add to it. A complete rewrite is very unlikely, and adding to it would give them a chance to keep what they've done while improving on it.
#110
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:45
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instead of a rewrite, I would like to see a contuation on the current ending. So I kind of hope Bioware will go like HAHA we got you! that ws not the real ending and will slap on extra game content with the "real" ending.
Also I do hope that the EMS you gather actually matters, that you can see in the movies you actually gathered a LARGE fleet and you manage to push back the reapers abit.
that you see during your gameplay or through movies which forces you gathered.
so yeah...seems I am also in the rewrite camp
Also I do hope that the EMS you gather actually matters, that you can see in the movies you actually gathered a LARGE fleet and you manage to push back the reapers abit.
that you see during your gameplay or through movies which forces you gathered.
so yeah...seems I am also in the rewrite camp
#111
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:45
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An explanation to a ****ty ending is still a ****ty ending.
Rewrite.
Rewrite.
#112
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:45
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Rewrite.
You could easily get around this. When Shepard entered the Geth VR on Rannoch they were infected by the Reaper code strands, which activated when Harbinger showed up in proximity to Shepard in London. Considering we saw David Archer's AI virus do the same thing and temporarily possess Shepard and direct their actions by infecting their implants, this isn't too far fetched. In fact this would actually be more in keeping with canon and lore as we know that Reapers can possess those who are hard-wired with synthetic devices, such as Saren and the Collectors.
It isn't too far flung either to presuppose that while Shepard really is Shepard, at least some Reaper tech was involved in resurrecting them.
You could easily get around this. When Shepard entered the Geth VR on Rannoch they were infected by the Reaper code strands, which activated when Harbinger showed up in proximity to Shepard in London. Considering we saw David Archer's AI virus do the same thing and temporarily possess Shepard and direct their actions by infecting their implants, this isn't too far fetched. In fact this would actually be more in keeping with canon and lore as we know that Reapers can possess those who are hard-wired with synthetic devices, such as Saren and the Collectors.
It isn't too far flung either to presuppose that while Shepard really is Shepard, at least some Reaper tech was involved in resurrecting them.
#113
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:45
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I'd prefer rewrite.
I understand the ending as it is. I think it was not only a bad direction to go but also that it was poorly done. Explaining it to me would be redundant and wouldn't make me enjoy it any more or less.
I understand the ending as it is. I think it was not only a bad direction to go but also that it was poorly done. Explaining it to me would be redundant and wouldn't make me enjoy it any more or less.
#114
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:46
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LilyasAvalon wrote...
Rewrite anything that happened after Shepard rode the magic elevator to Space Child, at LEAST, I could plausibly deal with everything else.
Yes, there were things that didn't make sense before then but that was really the breaking point for me also.
#115
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:50
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I would've liked a different ending in the original game. I'm not sure how I would feel about a complete rewrite now, the ending happened to me, and changing that now would be odd. Also, in order to really change it to what I think it should've been, they'd need to basically replace the entire London mission with something akin to a blend of Virmire and the Suicide Mission, broken down into segments where past decisions determine how the story develops, and with Shepard being forced to make tough choices that get people killed. That's not feasible because it would cost a fortune and take a year to develop. If they do rewrite the ending, it'll be a band-aid, a few new lines and some cobbled-together existing assets. I'd rather just have a better epilogue that provides more closure than that.
#116
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:57
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Rewrite, otherwise not really worth it, they could have given explanation much earlier, they didnt so at this point only rewrite.
#118
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:59
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A rewrite, explanation would only change from inexplicably bad to clearly bad.
#119
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 09:00
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In all honesty...
I just want some closure. I'm not just talking about the story arc... I just want some personal closure from the disapointment I've been struggling with since I finished ME3.
At this point, I'm satisfied if Hudson et al. just get up on a stage and patiently explain that the ending flew over my head and I don't appreciate the implications / poignancy / maturity / breadth and depth of their artistic vision. This is heavily implied by the gaming press and BioWare's statments, so I'm prepared for them to just come out and say it.
That confirmation will allow me to shrug and move on. No tantrums or threats, just acceptance that BioWare's idea of escapist entertainment no longer matches my expectations. That is closure too... and a point I nearly reached before Retake sparked some small hope of an alternative.
In an ideal world, that alternative will come in the form of more story branches, ones that at least give me the option to bypass the current nihilistic existentialist nonsense and put some heart, soul and player involvement into Shepard's send-off.
But I'm worried that a re-write will create even more controversy and debate. All this meta-discussion is wearing me down. Before this, I've never needed to engage with a company and other players to make sense of my game experience... and it's not particularly fulfilling (even though I have met some wonderful people and had great laughs along the way.)
Just end it already, in-game and out-of-game. Just end it.
For real this time.
I just want some closure. I'm not just talking about the story arc... I just want some personal closure from the disapointment I've been struggling with since I finished ME3.
At this point, I'm satisfied if Hudson et al. just get up on a stage and patiently explain that the ending flew over my head and I don't appreciate the implications / poignancy / maturity / breadth and depth of their artistic vision. This is heavily implied by the gaming press and BioWare's statments, so I'm prepared for them to just come out and say it.
That confirmation will allow me to shrug and move on. No tantrums or threats, just acceptance that BioWare's idea of escapist entertainment no longer matches my expectations. That is closure too... and a point I nearly reached before Retake sparked some small hope of an alternative.
In an ideal world, that alternative will come in the form of more story branches, ones that at least give me the option to bypass the current nihilistic existentialist nonsense and put some heart, soul and player involvement into Shepard's send-off.
But I'm worried that a re-write will create even more controversy and debate. All this meta-discussion is wearing me down. Before this, I've never needed to engage with a company and other players to make sense of my game experience... and it's not particularly fulfilling (even though I have met some wonderful people and had great laughs along the way.)
Just end it already, in-game and out-of-game. Just end it.
For real this time.
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#120
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 09:01
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Rewrite. No explanation could make up for that ending. Plus the inconsistencies have been well documented (see link in my sig)--I don't see all of them getting explained away.
#122
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 09:03
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Rewrite. You can't explain the Godchild and its reasoning.
#123
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 09:07
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I think a rewrite is needed. As soon as it gets to the star child it basically starts to contradict the other two games. As it has been brought up Sovereign specifically said that the Reapers had no maker and that Shepard couldn't understand their motives.
Unless Sovereign meant that the "Star Child's" logic was so stupid that it can't be understood then yeh... it needs a rewrite.
Unless Sovereign meant that the "Star Child's" logic was so stupid that it can't be understood then yeh... it needs a rewrite.
#124
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 09:09
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Rewrite. Everything post Cerberus base needs a rewrite, IMO, but I'd take post-Harbinger if that's all I can get. No amount of explanation can justify Shepard breaking character for the final decision, or the awful degradation of the Reapers' "independence" and purpose that organics are "incapable of understanding", or the entire Normandy-crashing-on-another-world-with-the-squad-who-were-supposed-to-die-with-you thing. They can't even explain how the Reapers moved the Citadel to Earth, or how they did so without anybody noticing, or why Earth when the "heart of Reaper space" should be a batarian planet, or how the Crucible is attached to it without a single Reaper firing at it, or how it is that people created it without knowing what it did and just left it without any safeguards or people aboard to work it, or...
Dammit, I'm tired of typing the same things over and over again. A rewrite is the only acceptable path from both an invested gamer's and a literary critic's point of view. The current ending, from both a gameplay and narrative perspective, should have never made it past a rough draft.
Dammit, I'm tired of typing the same things over and over again. A rewrite is the only acceptable path from both an invested gamer's and a literary critic's point of view. The current ending, from both a gameplay and narrative perspective, should have never made it past a rough draft.
#125
Posté 23 mars 2012 - 09:09
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RW.
An Explanation isn't going to fix the problem, Trying to explain it doesn't fix the plot holes and all the other points people have brought up, all it does is clarifies on -some- speculation.
An Explanation isn't going to fix the problem, Trying to explain it doesn't fix the plot holes and all the other points people have brought up, all it does is clarifies on -some- speculation.
