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[groundhogie]

The problem I see happening if they rewrite the ending is what will happen in future games. Will we have fans who do not like certain scenes demanding rewrites all the time? I can just imagine people starting up movements again for ridiculous (I am not saying "Retake ME" is ridiculous) reasons just because this particular one has been so popular.

"Well, you done it that time with ME3, Bioware..."

[eventhewaves]

groundhogie wrote...

The problem I see happening if they rewrite the ending is what will happen in future games. Will we have fans who do not like certain scenes demanding rewrites all the time? I can just imagine people starting up movements again for ridiculous (I am not saying "Retake ME" is ridiculous) reasons just because this particular one has been so popular.

Obviously, we can't exactly scry the future in a crystal ball, but this kind of situation has happened all of -- what -- three times this entire console generation?  Maybe four?  I don't really rate this as a problem.  Most consumers, most gamers, most anybody?  We're a placid breed who usually take what's offered even if it's full of problems; and we might grumble and gripe and complain online, but it's usually not so organized or specific.

You need some kind of special circumstances to really make this kind of thing happen, and Mass Effect 3 has those in spades.  Illogic, discontinuity, unpossibility, never mind the sudden turn from result/goal-oriented storytelling which mostly favors clean lines and concrete resolutions to a bunch of willfully-obscure cosmic crap that doesn't easily fit with what's come before -- "AND YOU WILL INTERPRET IT OR ELSE!"  And this at the end of game three of three.  And, hell, if it'd been a stand-alone title, still none of us would be having this conversation right now.

[Scyldemort]

I want an ending that actually takes into account the things I did in game. An ending that discards everything and just says, "Pick A, B, or C" is utterly worthless. Complete rewrite.

[Hydralysk]

groundhogie wrote...

The problem I see happening if they rewrite the ending is what will happen in future games. Will we have fans who do not like certain scenes demanding rewrites all the time? I can just imagine people starting up movements again for ridiculous (I am not saying "Retake ME" is ridiculous) reasons just because this particular one has been so popular.

"Well, you done it that time with ME3, Bioware..."

I don't think this is really valid simply because the fact we're asking for the change isn't because we simply didn't 'like' it. The problems are that the plot holes make the ending a joke, the fact that none of your choices matter in the end kills any replay value, and Bioware straight out lied to us about the ending in interviews about it.

A single scene would have to work pretty hard to screw up that hard, and even so would just any series or scene be able to conjure up this much outrage? The reason this earns so much ire is that it's the culmination of 5 years of waiting and 100s of ours of gameplay accross multiple playthroughs, and that it fails so spectacularly at the last 15 minutes after being pure gold for almost the entire series. I doubt any old 6-12 hour game would be able to say the same.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 24 mars 2012 - 01:01 .

[FierceReaper]

Rewrite. And I don't see 'you did it before' being a problem, since people aren't just unhappy, they're unilaterally pissed to a massive degree. This kind of backlash doesn't happen with every 'meh' ending.

Modifié par FierceReaper, 24 mars 2012 - 12:57 .

[Tony208]

Right... every game with a bad ending will cause this much commotion.

Except it won't, stuff like this happens once a decade.

Fact is the ending is total crap and they need to do a new one.

[ArenCordial]

Rewrite. I posted this in another thread and I think it sums up how Bioware SHOULD be thinking.
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The best thing they could do at this point is say lets make an ending that makes the awesomeness of ME1 and ME2's endings look like they were written by apprentice gamers. Something that blows the suicide mission out of the water.

That way
1. The ending haters get what they wanted.
2. The ending supporters say "that was too good not to love it, even if I liked the original."

Tall order? Yes, but its the best Bioware can hope for at this point and what they should be aiming for.

[hippanda]

Rewrite. There's no danger for setting precedent, because you can't "fake" a movement like this. The reason why the "retake mass effect" movement gained the momentum that it did is because the ending, as it currently stands, is legitimately terrible and is almost universally despised.

Modifié par hippanda, 24 mars 2012 - 01:05 .

[CDHarrisUSF]

I want a rewrite with the many and wildly different endings BioWare claimed we would get rather than the one ending in three flavors we ended up with... everything ranging from happy ending (while honoring sacrifices made) to bitter defeat.

[Vox Draco]

My simple video-gamey mind won't be capable of even understanding an explained ending like this, it is simply too high above lowly humans like me...

So I prefer a rewrite, but that won't happen anyway.

My favorite would be (look at my signature) an expansion of the current ending, with shepard rising from the rubble of London and finishing the Reapers off in a several hours long epic "Retake Earth" DLC, finished with a sad or not so sad epilogue

[Zix13]

Rewrite/ Indoc. You can't explain the current endings away.

[iRAWRasaurusREX]

I am still hopefully for a rewrite.

[DOYOURLABS]

Re-write preferable. I'll be fine with explanation though, as long as its well done.

[Xelar1979]

I am sure they could get away w/ a rewrite using most of the current assets available. However, there will probably just be a patronizing psuedo-epilogue.

[mass_zotz]

Rewrite

[IS1296]

rewrite, a thousand times rewrite

[jedsithor]

It won't be a rewrite. For me, a rewrite would need to be a pretty drastic one and I don't see that happening.

Which would I prefer? Personally, a rewrite. But then if it was up to me, Bioware would be hiring me to actually do the rewrite so I could craft a series of endings I'd like to see (in fact I've already done it) but I'm just one person and I don't represent every single Mass Effect player out there.

Even if Bioware rewrite the ending, some people who want a rewrite still won't be happy because it may not be the rewrite they wanted. Bioware is in a difficult position. If they offer clarification, say Shepard questions Starchild about relays going supernova and Starchild says it won't happen because of the nature of the energy pulse sent out or whatever, thus fixing that lore-busting scenario through technobabble, people will say that destroying the Mass Relays is wrong, even if they don't destroy planetary systems. If Shepard argues that he united the Synthetics and Organics and Starchild proves that it's a temporary reprieve rather than a proper solution, people will call BS.

An explanation or clarification is a difficult road to go down, as is rewriting the ending. That leaves the indoctrination theory or something along those lines but that would probably require another six months of content creation to build new levels, record new dialogue, new ending sequences etc and by then many will have moved on from ME3 and word of mouth will have ensured a sales drop.

Bioware's in a tough position. Whatever they do, they can't please everyone. In an ideal world, we'd travel back in time a year and show them this forum.

[hippanda]

jedsithor wrote...

It won't be a rewrite. For me, a rewrite would need to be a pretty drastic one and I don't see that happening.

I think everyone knows they won't do a rewrite (as has already been said on their twitter, see below), but that doesn't mean it isn't the solution that a lot of us want.



It's pretty obvious what they're trying to do (and what they'll probably be successful in achieving). They recognize that their ending was terrible and had a whole collection of problems - plot holes, thematic shift, character assassinations, deus ex machina, lack of closure, etc. They know that some people hate the ending because "all of the above," but they also know that they can satisfy a large segment of the people currently involved in the movement by addressing 1 or 2 of those concerns (they'll probably attempt to fill in "some" of the plot holes and add an expanded epilogue that provides more closure).

This action will probably be successful in fracturing the movement. A decent number of people who currently support "retake mass effect" will break off and join the satisfied camp, which will lead to in-fighting and (ultimately) the movement's self-destruction.

Modifié par hippanda, 24 mars 2012 - 01:54 .

[Heather Cline]

re-write of the ending to make the 16 different varying endings that we were promised. Explanations do not fix the endings it only adds salt to the wound.

[CitizenSnips]

I would prefer a good rewrite. I will accept an explanation if it fixes the plotholes and provides a high level of closure.

[Senario]

Re-write please, I do not want to be bothered with an "Explaination" of the God Child's faulty logic and existence. You cannot solve bad writing with more writing.

[yahtzo]

Good luck trying to explain why your LI is smiling when Shepard is either dead or rotting away on Earth barely alive.

[mrpoultry]

Adding more endings on top of their own(including different ways to resolve the reeaper threat), adressing plot holes and lore contradictions AND providing closure.

[Pyromatic Tabby]

Rewrite, I'll still call it a day on Bioware if *Whatever* they're doing with the ending isn't up to snuff however.

[FortitudeSon]

Current ending: Bioware pissed on us and called it rain.

Clarification: For a week leading up to release, they ate nothing but asparagus and pissed in a bucket. Upon release, they poured it on our collective heads.

Closure: You're covered in ******, go take a shower.