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[Strike2k2]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

majormajormmajor wrote...

That's the thing, innit? They wanted LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE- problem is, given how apocalyptic society tends to be these days, that speculation is veering off into profoundly negative directions.

This general pervading outlook, and  deduction from what we know of the ME universe, naturally leads to the assumption of catastrophe from most; whereas it will take an avowed optimist considerable leaps of logic for the ending to seem hopeful.

LOL.  Anybody who thinks Western society is apocalyptic has obviously not travelled widely enough.

Maybe the whole happy ending debacle is more a comment on an out-of-touch western audience than anything else.

Why stop at just putting words into his mouth. Add a ****** as well. Where did he say western society is apocalyptic?

[fealhach]

I hate these films, but...

The galaxy shouldn't have to wait 100/1,000/10,000 years for it's happy ending. A recovery that takes generations will leave little or no reason for the scattered survivors to see Shepherd as some kind of legendary saviour. He'd just be another faceless victim among the tens of billions that died. If he might even be remembered among some as to have even caused the cataclysm in which case he'd be less likely to be called 'The Shepherd'.

'Harbinger' would be a more accurate title.

[CaptainZaysh]

majormajormmajor wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...
Explain to me how you got from that to "Palaven has no atmosphere".

I didn't. It's your own bloody assumption of what I said.

Now try telling me that an atmosphere which is now a breathing hazard is a good long term prospect for healthy living.

:-D

Okay, I'll grant you that the dust cloud on Palaven may cause long term health issues to those who breathe in a lot of it.  What was the point you were trying to make about Palaven?  Because you brought it up as a counter-example to my suggestion that beings all around the galaxy will be not suddenly find themselves without an atmosphere.

[Almostfaceman]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

dfstone wrote...

No thats not true.  I just replayed that mission in ME2 last night, the Doctor says that destroying a relay releases the same amount of power as a Supernova.  That is exactly what she said.

She's hypothesising, based on her intention to ram it with a big rock.  Serious question: can you not understand that smashing a small planet into something might make it blow up in a different way from disabling it with an energy pulse sent from the network's central control unit?  Or are explosions just explosions to you?

You can blather about this all you want. The fact is, Shepard doesn't even make sure that the way the Catalyst wants to destroy the relays won't result in a bunch of giant explosions. That's just stupid. Shepard's only experience with the destruction of a relay is a bad one. An extremely bad one. Shouldn't he have said, "hey, you know there Space Jeebus, um, exactly how is this relay destruction thingeemabob gonna work?"

You guys can talk about rocks and lasers all day - you're metagaming. Put yourself in Shep's shoes as if he doesn't know the future and he doesn't know how this Catalyst thingee is going to work. 'cause that's the position he's in when he derps his way through that conversation with Space Genie from Space.

[CaptainZaysh]

Strike2k2 wrote...

Why stop at just putting words into his mouth. Add a ****** as well. Where did he say western society is apocalyptic?

I was assuming he is a Westerner (a Brit, in fact, is my guess) from his language.  If I'm wrong then I'm happy to apologise.

Love the ****** line, though.  Definitely going to use it myself.  Thanks :-)

[Erixxxx]

A Galactic Dark Age is preferrable to a Galactic Extinction in my mind. Getting rid of the Reapers is a costly victory, but a victory nonetheless. The survivors can now unhindered develop along their own paths, bringing more diversity to the galaxy. And that without the fear of being harvested in 50.000 years.

[Drenick18]

Better than the human race getting wiped out. Also, this "Galactic Dark Age" will mark the beginning of a new ME franchise. Bioware set all the endings up so we ALL get 1 particular ending, so all our endings are "canon" when it's time to step into the new ME age. franchise is too profitable to end here.

[majormajormmajor]

CaptainZaysh wrote...
 Because you brought it up as a counter-example to my suggestion that beings all around the galaxy will be not suddenly find themselves without an atmosphere.

Ahem- point out, in unambigious terms, where I indicated this. All I had to do as a counter-example was to point out an atmosphere that had been wrecked beyond livability, not one that was compeletely sucked away by a giant robo maid in space. Seems to me you're trying to backpedal from your own imagined interpretation of my words and must  now resort to outright fabrication.

[Rune-Chan]

The alternative would have been not to write such an idiotic idea in the first place.

[CaptainZaysh]

Almostfaceman wrote...

All technology is built around the mass relays. Ships are not designed for long range FTL travel...

Yes, of course it is.  It would be crazy to pursue other avenues when there is a relay network you can take advantage of.

New technologies will need to arise to respond to the new post-relay reality.

Almostfaceman wrote...
It would be the same thing as switching off the technology on our planet. People who are now dependent on electricity and cars would go bananas and start killing each other.

Well, that's just your own political beliefs talking, and I'd never try to talk you out of those.  I would simply point out that I utterly disagree, and that societies have weathered major disasters before.

Almostfaceman wrote...
All you positive thinkers out there, you can't escape the fact that the authors intended for this to be an issuing into a Dark Age, and the old man and kid are 10,000 years into the future with still no space travel. When the kid asks about the stars, grandpa doesn't say "Hey, we'll go see them right now! Let's jump on a shuttle!"

Yeah.  What that said to me is that the world they're on is isolated from the others (like Earth today, of course - I think that's the implication they were making, now ME is over we are all back where we started).  It didn't talk to me about the whole galaxy, and nor do I believe that a dark age has to last forever.  Personally, I'm totally looking forward to finding out what's out there.

[BadlyBrowned]

Remember guys, having that Hollywood ending does not fit into the Mass Effect universe....

youtu.be/wKIbuNajk6U


Besides, the completely ravaged worlds of Thessia, Earth, Palavan, possibly Sur'kesh, countless colonies around the galaxy, and the destruction of the Citadel (where all the refugees were going) just isn't dark enough. 

Modifié par BadlyBrowned, 23 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[Strike2k2]

Drenick18 wrote...

Better than the human race getting wiped out. Also, this "Galactic Dark Age" will mark the beginning of a new ME franchise. Bioware set all the endings up so we ALL get 1 particular ending, so all our endings are "canon" when it's time to step into the new ME age. franchise is too profitable to end here.

 I understand what you're saying. But for me, If they don't changes the ending the Franchise ends here.

Modifié par Strike2k2, 23 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[CaptainZaysh]

majormajormmajor wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...
 Because you brought it up as a counter-example to my suggestion that beings all around the galaxy will be not suddenly find themselves without an atmosphere.

Ahem- point out, in unambigious terms, where I indicated this. All I had to do as a counter-example was to point out an atmosphere that had been wrecked beyond livability, not one that was compeletely sucked away by a giant robo maid in space. Seems to me you're trying to backpedal from your own imagined interpretation of my words and must  now resort to outright fabrication.

That's exactly what I'm asking.  Explain how you got from "dust and smoke is a breathing hazard across much of the planet" to "turians can no longer live here".

[majormajormmajor]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I was assuming he is a Westerner (a Brit, in fact, is my guess) from his language.  If I'm wrong then I'm happy to apologise.

I assure you there's no need for that. Over the past few days on BSN I have been alternatively pretending to be from the USA, DPRK and New Zealand depending on whom I'm arguing with at the time. For the purpose of this particular exercise you can assume I am one.

CaptainZaysh wrote...

That's exactly what I'm asking.

Explain how you got from "dust and smoke is a breathing hazard across much of the planet" to "turians can no longer live here".

You could probably also still breathe the air around the Chernobyl NPP in 1986. Would you do it and still expect to live for much longer afterward?

Modifié par majormajormmajor, 23 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[Wildhide]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

majormajormmajor wrote...

That's the thing, innit? They wanted LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE- problem is, given how apocalyptic society tends to be these days, that speculation is veering off into profoundly negative directions.

This general pervading outlook, and  deduction from what we know of the ME universe, naturally leads to the assumption of catastrophe from most; whereas it will take an avowed optimist considerable leaps of logic for the ending to seem hopeful.

LOL.  Anybody who thinks Western society is apocalyptic has obviously not travelled widely enough.

Maybe the whole happy ending debacle is more a comment on an out-of-touch western audience than anything else.

I think the whole "Happy Endings aren't suppose to happen" speaks a lot more about Western Cultures current trend towards grimdark as the way to go than anything.  And the idea that people can't have happy endings or if they like them they're somehow wrong or bad.

[Erixxxx]

Drenick18 wrote...

Better than the human race getting wiped out. Also, this "Galactic Dark Age" will mark the beginning of a new ME franchise. Bioware set all the endings up so we ALL get 1 particular ending, so all our endings are "canon" when it's time to step into the new ME age. franchise is too profitable to end here.

Indeed. The current end of ME3 opens up a ton of new possibilities for future games.

[Baryonic-Member]

I would be fine with an ending in which you sacrifice the Relays to destroy the Reapers and become free of the cycle, but the ending we got was just so full of plot holes.

[CaptainZaysh]

Wildhide wrote...

I think the whole "Happy Endings aren't suppose to happen" speaks a lot more about Western Cultures current trend towards grimdark as the way to go than anything.  And the idea that people can't have happy endings or if they like them they're somehow wrong or bad.

I don't get what's grimdark about it.  Yeah, we're going to lose some colonies.  Yeah, we have enormous challenges in rebuilding and minimising post-war casualties.

Is that really grimdark these days?  Is that how pampered we are?

[wright1978]

I'd prefer to go down fighting to the garbage dark age ending weve currently got.

[Strike2k2]

Erixxxx wrote...

Drenick18 wrote...

Better than the human race getting wiped out. Also, this "Galactic Dark Age" will mark the beginning of a new ME franchise. Bioware set all the endings up so we ALL get 1 particular ending, so all our endings are "canon" when it's time to step into the new ME age. franchise is too profitable to end here.

Indeed. The current end of ME3 opens up a ton of new possibilities for future games.

I sure they can do that without ripping the heart out of the rest of the series.

[majormajormmajor]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I don't get what's grimdark about it.  Yeah, we're going to lose some colonies.  Yeah, we have enormous challenges in rebuilding and minimising post-war casualties.

Is that really grimdark these days?  Is that how pampered we are?

I find it disturbing that the prospect of millions to billions dead from starvation elicts so little of an emotional response.

[Lanay]

Strike2k2 wrote...

The Option to fight rather than submit has been a common theme in all the games, up until the last 10 minutes of the game. Unacceptable.

[CaptainZaysh]

majormajormmajor wrote...

I find it disturbing that the prospect of millions to billions dead from starvation elicts so little of an emotional response.

I agree, starvation sucks, but dude!  They were going to be turned into zombies!

Some people need to get a sense of perspective here.

[Zardoc]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Wildhide wrote...

I think the whole "Happy Endings aren't suppose to happen" speaks a lot more about Western Cultures current trend towards grimdark as the way to go than anything.  And the idea that people can't have happy endings or if they like them they're somehow wrong or bad.

I don't get what's grimdark about it.  Yeah, we're going to lose some colonies.  Yeah, we have enormous challenges in rebuilding and minimising post-war casualties.

Is that really grimdark these days?  Is that how pampered we are?

So losing the entire galactic civilization and prolly Earth depending on how well those survivors get along (and I doubt they will get along for long) and wether or not the Citadel crashes into Earth (which is very likely given it's condition), in addition to atleast 25 billion+ casualties ISN'T grimdark? 

CaptainZaysh wrote...


I agree, starvation sucks, but dude!  They were going to be turned into zombies!

Some people need to get a sense of perspective here.

 


Oh, great, they get to choose between death by starvation and death by zombification. Awesome!

Modifié par Zardoc, 23 mars 2012 - 05:58 .

[majormajormmajor]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I agree, starvation sucks, but dude!  They were going to be turned into zombies!

Some people need to get a sense of perspective here.

Zombies don't feel hunger pangs. Well, except for brains.

What the endings really came down to was a choice between a quick death and a slow, prolonged one. I'd rather much it have been it between the former and not dying at all.

Modifié par majormajormmajor, 23 mars 2012 - 05:59 .