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[Tirranek]

Vaktathi wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

How people can argue against this whole movement being labled as whiney entitled brats is beyond me.

Look, so much people asked for their money back from CHARITY that the charity had to close it's doors to new donations. That's how entitled they are.

Except...if you *READ* their post, that's not the reason why.

Yeah that's not how it comes off at all. If anything it seems that the charity had just become too closely linked to developments one way or the other. In order to not set a precedent, the current drive was closed.

[Gedgehog]

The actions of a few people have brought shame on the entire movement, though I admit I am generalising here.

[xeNNN]

Tazzmission wrote...

xeNNN wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

xeNNN wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

gudman wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

so wait you think using sick children is a good thing to get a ending?

do you have any idea on how selfish that is?

Using - it's when you grab that sick kid by the scruff and wave him around yelling: DO WHAT I SAY OR I'LL BREAK HIS NECK! If I give said kid money for whatever reason I may have - hey, I still helped him. No matter the intention. 

actually to use isnt that btw


1. To put into service or apply for a purpose; employ.2. To avail oneself of; practice: use caution.3. To conduct oneself toward; treat or handle: "the peace offering of a man who once used you unkindly"(Laurence Sterne).

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4. To seek or achieve an end by means of; exploit:

^this defines the take back movment seeing as they have always stated lets add more pressure to bioware
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k now thats annoyed me......... your directly attacking A TON of people now who you cannot for any reason know every single one of those persons intentions behind donating. you expect hat with around about 50,000 odd people there is not going to be a small group of morons...... you get this with every movement, those the state you made would work in terms of applying pressure to bioware through forum use and other forms, charity however isnt a fair arguement as A LOT OF US did it for a positive reason, to turn a negative into a positive, even if we dont get anything out of this movement atleast someone who deservers it will, the fact that you use that definition in order to slam the entire movement simply because of a few individuals acting like childish morons is appauling and insulting. 

nobody who is truely behind the retake mass effect movement would ask for there money back or do anything to jepordise anything for the movement or the people we have helped. 

so dont spout your hollier than thou crap down our throats simply because a "group" of indivduals have been acting like jerks.

maybe if you go a page or 2 back you would see that i did in fact aplogize to those who dont support the people who demand a refund


ps. if i call you a jerk trust me you would know because i would flat out just say it and i havent so far so dont twist my words around

actually you just twisted my words. i never said you called anyone a jerk i said they were acting like jerks. 

and i appologise i didnt see your reply/comment on that. 

this whole things just annoyed me though, so many people that are pathetic its unbelievable. 

just like i said dont generalise us ( i know you dont do it intentionally) but thats how your comments come across is all.

like i said to another poster in pm this to me is devastating because even if its 1 person or 100 who ask for there money back really does baffle me

i do feel that yes the take back movment is respocible because thhose who did ask for a refund claim there with you

and im not trying to be a jerk but i do feel strongly yes your movment is somewhat responcible for it

is it fare to me or anyone else who want no part of your movment to be just thrown in by the media or other websites?

no matter how this ends you do realize every mass effect fan will be deemed a whiney entitle brat

i sure as heck aint one because i cant even remember how many times i have stated how i like what i payed for

yeah i understand, meh as far as most people these days are concerned the so called people who call us "whiny" arent actually even good at their jobs and even forbes has touched on that issue, quite frankly theyve given some horrible horrible games 10/10's so ive never trusted them anyway and you shouldnt let the way they present there non existant facts, get to you as a player and a fan of the games universe.

as for us being responsible we are oragnised but we arent, though we do have outlets to voice our opinions however, we arent really a company and we cant really regulate whos apart of it and who isnt, if they want to be a part of it then they should stay civil and help the movement positive, if they however act like some idiots recently then we effectively "disown" them because we dont and shouldnt want them in the movement at all. 

you cant regulate 50k people when its not even a comand structure more a general consensus because you will always get a few that sink low and destroy what we are trying to acomplish, not to mention the ammount of trolls.

im half expecting the media to bash us for this, its what they do it seems, so long as biowares opinion of us stays approving then im happy. 

on that note i will be writing an appology note to a member of staff tonight due to the behaviour of certain individuals who think they are apart of the movement. not because im a rep for the movement im not im just a part but i feel obligated to appologise.

Modifié par xeNNN, 23 mars 2012 - 12:40 .

[HenchxNarf]

Gedgehog wrote...

The actions of a few people have brought shame on the entire movement, though I admit I am generalising here.

The way most people are acting, you're pretty spot on. Not all, but the number is growing.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 23 mars 2012 - 12:40 .

[golyoscsapagy]

Computron2000 wrote...
Well let me ask you then, if 3 out of 4 people in a room said they liked bananas, is the following statement correct?
"Many people in the room liked bananas".

High by no means is linked to being greater than half. Most is the one that has an actual link to being more than half. Now let me ask you this interesting question. There's 3 candidates running for an election. there's 1,000,000 votes. One gets 100,000, the other 2 gets 450,000 each. Now can i say that the one that got 100,000 had gotten a high number of voters voting for him? Note i did not talk about percentages, simply plain numbers.

You still miss the most important part. Here, I bolded it for you:

'We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back' 

So, um, let's use, you know that magic thing - logic.

If paypal says it's high - it means more than the ordinary. There's one logical conclusion from this - based on paypal's experiences with processing payment they say that the refund ratio is higher than normal.

This also means that apparently there are much more ****tards in the retake movement than in the general population (as if it was the same the refund ratio would be normal).

So um, yeah, I'm sure there are a few civil guys between them, but when others say they are a bunch of childish idiots, it's not because they hate their goals - it's because they see that the movement has a defining ratio of retards.

Modifié par golyoscsapagy, 23 mars 2012 - 12:43 .

[HenchxNarf]

golyoscsapagy wrote...


You still miss the most important part. Here, I bolded it for you:

'We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back' 

So, um, let's use, you know that magic thing - logic.

If paypal says it's high - it means more than the ordinary. There's one logical conclusion from this - based on paypal's experiences with processing payment they say that the refund ratio is higher than normal.

This also means that apparently there are much more ****tards in the retake movement than in the general population (as if it was the same the refund ratio would be normal).

That's pretty much what I've been trying to say (except without the insult). If PAYPAL contacted them, then something is wrong. Too many people are wanting refunds.

[Dridengx]

golyoscsapagy wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
Well let me ask you then, if 3 out of 4 people in a room said they liked bananas, is the following statement correct?
"Many people in the room liked bananas".

High by no means is linked to being greater than half. Most is the one that has an actual link to being more than half. Now let me ask you this interesting question. There's 3 candidates running for an election. there's 1,000,000 votes. One gets 100,000, the other 2 gets 450,000 each. Now can i say that the one that got 100,000 had gotten a high number of voters voting for him? Note i did not talk about percentages, simply plain numbers.

You still miss the most important part. Here, I bolded it for you:

'We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back' 

So, um, let's use, you know that magic thing - logic.

If paypal says it's high - it means more than the ordinary. There's one logical conclusion from this - based on paypal's experiences with processing payment they say that the refund ratio is higher than normal for transactions associated with the retake movement.

This also means that apparently there are much more ****tards in the retake movement than in the general population (as if it was the same the refund ratio would be normal).

that was godlike. though no matter how much you show them facts, figures, logic they will continue to embarress themselves

Modifié par Dridengx, 23 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[Alikan]

Gedgehog wrote...

The actions of a few people have brought shame on the entire movement, though I admit I am generalising here.

Its only done so because people in general are very fine with brushing of everyone because of a few jerks, while ofc themselves alwasy being logical and rational "shrug"

It applies in politics, business, everything. as a mass humanity is just lead sheep whose own opinions are almost always overriden by pack behaviour.

why things like lynchmobs exists.

Modifié par Alikan, 23 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[gammle]

pffft who the hell wants refund from a organisation like that? maybe those people should go out to the woods and hang them self....what a bunch of jackasses...

its almost like donating money to the church and then beat up the priest to take them back.

[Computron2000]

golyoscsapagy wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
Well let me ask you then, if 3 out of 4 people in a room said they liked bananas, is the following statement correct?
"Many people in the room liked bananas".

High by no means is linked to being greater than half. Most is the one that has an actual link to being more than half. Now let me ask you this interesting question. There's 3 candidates running for an election. there's 1,000,000 votes. One gets 100,000, the other 2 gets 450,000 each. Now can i say that the one that got 100,000 had gotten a high number of voters voting for him? Note i did not talk about percentages, simply plain numbers.

You still miss the most important part. Here, I bolded it for you:

'We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back' 

So, um, let's use, you know that magic thing - logic.

If paypal says it's high - it means more than the ordinary. There's one logical conclusion from this - based on paypal's experiences with processing payment they say that the refund ratio is higher than normal.

This also means that apparently there are much more ****tards in the retake movement than in the general population (as if it was the same the refund ratio would be normal).

So um, yeah, I'm sure there are a few civil guys between them, but when others say they are a bunch of childish idiots, it's not because they hate their goals - it's because they see that the movement has a defining ratio of retards.

Here, let me answer you with a post

MaximusRex wrote...
From someone who worked in the payment processing business, high amount doesn't really mean that much in terms of volume. If you normally get 1 chargeback a year then you get 5 in a week, that is a high amount. Charities are considered low risk of chargeback, though taking fund online is higher risk, most people don't steal credit cards to give the money away. It would take very little activity to raise alarms, so to speak, from a payment processing kind of term.

As i noted prior, the absolute number of transactions can be easily definied as high even if the percentage is low.

[Computron2000]

Dridengx wrote...

golyoscsapagy wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
Well let me ask you then, if 3 out of 4 people in a room said they liked bananas, is the following statement correct?
"Many people in the room liked bananas".

High by no means is linked to being greater than half. Most is the one that has an actual link to being more than half. Now let me ask you this interesting question. There's 3 candidates running for an election. there's 1,000,000 votes. One gets 100,000, the other 2 gets 450,000 each. Now can i say that the one that got 100,000 had gotten a high number of voters voting for him? Note i did not talk about percentages, simply plain numbers.

You still miss the most important part. Here, I bolded it for you:

'We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back' 

So, um, let's use, you know that magic thing - logic.

If paypal says it's high - it means more than the ordinary. There's one logical conclusion from this - based on paypal's experiences with processing payment they say that the refund ratio is higher than normal for transactions associated with the retake movement.

This also means that apparently there are much more ****tards in the retake movement than in the general population (as if it was the same the refund ratio would be normal).

that was godlike. though no matter how much you show them facts, figures, logic they will continue to embarress themselves

Oh yeah, you're still here, good. So what the answer to my question on the "many" issue? You said NEVER 3 right?

Here was the previous question:
Well let me ask you then, if 3 out of 4 people in a room said they liked bananas, is the following statement correct?
"Many people in the room liked bananas".

Modifié par Computron2000, 23 mars 2012 - 12:47 .

[Gedgehog]

We just need to calm it all down and take stock of the things that matter. Taking back money from a charity just proves how immature, greedy and irresponsible some people can be. It gives the impression that people are only out for themselves, and I hate to say this, but it DOES make the rest of the movement look bad, no matter how few people may or may not be doing this.
You give to charity to show support for that charity and solidarity to a community affected by a contentious issue. You also do it because you want to help people, or feel a responsibility to give however much financial assistance you think you can spare to those who need it. You don't do it because you think you have something to gain, charity is not for that purpose (hence the word charity)

[thesmallearth]

golyoscsapagy wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
Well let me ask you then, if 3 out of 4 people in a room said they liked bananas, is the following statement correct?
"Many people in the room liked bananas".

High by no means is linked to being greater than half. Most is the one that has an actual link to being more than half. Now let me ask you this interesting question. There's 3 candidates running for an election. there's 1,000,000 votes. One gets 100,000, the other 2 gets 450,000 each. Now can i say that the one that got 100,000 had gotten a high number of voters voting for him? Note i did not talk about percentages, simply plain numbers.

You still miss the most important part. Here, I bolded it for you:

'We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back' 

So, um, let's use, you know that magic thing - logic.

If paypal says it's high - it means more than the ordinary. There's one logical conclusion from this - based on paypal's experiences with processing payment they say that the refund ratio is higher than normal.

This also means that apparently there are much more ****tards in the retake movement than in the general population (as if it was the same the refund ratio would be normal).

So um, yeah, I'm sure there are a few civil guys between them, but when others say they are a bunch of childish idiots, it's not because they hate their goals - it's because they see that the movement has a defining ratio of retards.

Pure assumption and speculation.....

>> "If paypal says it's high - it means more than the ordinary" - are you aware of Paypals internal processes?

 If the number are as high as some assume, then that will be upsetting for many BSN members,  BUT we need the facts first!!

[FOX216BC]

2484Stryker wrote...

Have we actually seen people on here talking about asking for refunds? Or is this some type of smear campaign?

I didn't, i guess some of those who do not agree with gamers who don't like they ending post fake, useless and even insulting articles and topics.

-fake: Dlc the truth
-useless and insulting: IGN among others

Some reporters go as far as calling the people who doen't like the ending "a minority".
We are clearly not the minority here, the fact that Bioware responds to us should be convincing enough.

My money to this chairty fund, is money well spend.
I did it fore the kids. ME ending change was a nice bonus.

[Clayless]

Tirranek wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

How people can argue against this whole movement being labled as whiney entitled brats is beyond me.

Look, so much people asked for their money back from CHARITY that the charity had to close it's doors to new donations. That's how entitled they are.

Except...if you *READ* their post, that's not the reason why.

Yeah that's not how it comes off at all. If anything it seems that the charity had just become too closely linked to developments one way or the other. In order to not set a precedent, the current drive was closed.

Because  a high number of people demanded their money back.

From a charity.

[Rockpopple]

Enough refunds from the charity were made to close the donations to the charity. That speaks volumes.

[OMEGAlomaniac]

Demanding a refund from a charity, and being a dick while doing it, is not the way to makes us look like the civilised and genuinely dissapointed fans we are. It makes us look like moronic trolls who are raging at BioWare and everyone else just because they might not agree with us. Kepp it civil people.

Also, if people realy are demanding refunds from Childs Play, that is pretty sickening. It's a great cause that we should be supporting anyway.

[Vaktathi]

HenchxNarf wrote...

golyoscsapagy wrote...


You still miss the most important part. Here, I bolded it for you:

'We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back' 

So, um, let's use, you know that magic thing - logic.

If paypal says it's high - it means more than the ordinary. There's one logical conclusion from this - based on paypal's experiences with processing payment they say that the refund ratio is higher than normal.

This also means that apparently there are much more ****tards in the retake movement than in the general population (as if it was the same the refund ratio would be normal).

That's pretty much what I've been trying to say (except without the insult). If PAYPAL contacted them, then something is wrong. Too many people are wanting refunds.

Hrm, on one hand yes, but also keep in mind that chargebacks for charity are rare in general. Paypal does not need a very high number to trigger an alert, as in not even double-digits. Keep in mind this drive was composed of lots of people from demographics and backgrounds that are not Child's Play's normal contributors and may never have heard of CP before. Issues are likely to be higher as a result.

Rockpopple wrote...



Enough refunds from the charity were made to close the donations to the
charity. That speaks volumes.

As has been posted multiple times,
no this was not the case. CP did not want to be associated with anything
but CP and be seen as having taken a side in anything. You are
deliberately misframing what occurred to change the narrative here.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 23 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[Computron2000]

Rockpopple wrote...

Enough refunds from the charity were made to close the donations to the charity. That speaks volumes.

You did not read the following reply from Child's Play to Forbes did you?

Child’s Play representative Jamie Dillion:
It’s true that we received some negative feedback about the RTM fundraiser, but the real issue that it brought to light was our policy surrounding attaching other, unrelated causes to child’s play. What RTM was doing was very cool and an amazing show what an active community can do, but we were concerned about the slippery slope. For instance, if someone were to create a “support (insert cause X) by donating to child’s play,” you can see how this could cause issues for us.

[arthurhallam]

i got pilloried the other day for creating a thread calling out the imbecilic elements of the "retake movement" — & then we read this!

[nevar00]

I think the idea is to take the money back from Child's Play and to give it to another charity, which while I don't agree with entirely, I can certainly see why people are angry at CP.

In little over a week we raised $80,000 and were still going strong with basically $10,000 A DAY. That's phenomenal. But then you've got Child's Play who got nervous of bad press for whatever reason so they shut it down. Bad press is one thing if we're raising money under the banner of the KKK or something, but a video game? Really? If they truly cared about the kids they would've left it up regardless of petty complaints. I'm angry at them too.

[Tazzmission]

nevar00 wrote...

I think the idea is to take the money back from Child's Play and to give it to another charity, which while I don't agree with entirely, I can certainly see why people are angry at CP.

In little over a week we raised $80,000 and were still going strong with basically $10,000 A DAY. That's phenomenal. But then you've got Child's Play who got nervous of bad press for whatever reason so they shut it down. Bad press is one thing if we're raising money under the banner of the KKK or something, but a video game? Really? If they truly cared about the kids they would've left it up regardless of petty complaints. I'm angry at them too.

im not mad at cp at all


im mad at the few people who thought by doanting to cp would entitle them to a bioware dlc wich bioware never promised in the first place and since they didnt get what they thought they were owed they demand the money back

that is what pisses me off beyond belief



the chairty has its own things to deal with and i think getting involved with a controversial ending of a game does nothing but give them bad publicity

Modifié par Tazzmission, 23 mars 2012 - 12:56 .

[Clayless]

nevar00 wrote...

I think the idea is to take the money back from Child's Play and to give it to another charity, which while I don't agree with entirely, I can certainly see why people are angry at CP.

In little over a week we raised $80,000 and were still going strong with basically $10,000 A DAY. That's phenomenal. But then you've got Child's Play who got nervous of bad press for whatever reason so they shut it down. Bad press is one thing if we're raising money under the banner of the KKK or something, but a video game? Really? If they truly cared about the kids they would've left it up regardless of petty complaints. I'm angry at them too.

That's right, blame them.

This just gets better and better.

[ZLurps]

Vaktathi wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i sent you my proof and if you can honestly read that and tell me what im saying is wrong fine do so but dont try and say omg everything cant be trusted

The links you set up earlier as "proof" were just restatements of what PA posted and some dude getting mad at the PA guys for shutting it down but not asking for his money back or anything. 

ATTENTION:

Tazzmission have a history of making things up. Look up guys posting history. It's not the first time he links something as "proof" even there's nothing backing him up behind the links. Why there are people doing stuff like this I don't know, don't really care.

I'm not a Retaker but I must say that what comes to claim that they are hiding behind a good cause is utter bull****.
BioWare has organised several charities, nodoby has blamed them for "hiding behind a good cause to get their stuff sold"

www.vg247.com/2011/04/18/bioware-charity-auction-for-japan-relief-fund-offers-awesome-prizes/

www.shacknews.com/article/61490/bioware-facebook-game-gives-money

Again, I don't know what is going on in some people minds in this community, but "loyal fans" is just a group of people that have a same share of all kind of personalities and points of view, also ones that most people might find outlandish.

[HenchxNarf]

nevar00 wrote...

I think the idea is to take the money back from Child's Play and to give it to another charity, which while I don't agree with entirely, I can certainly see why people are angry at CP.

In little over a week we raised $80,000 and were still going strong with basically $10,000 A DAY. That's phenomenal. But then you've got Child's Play who got nervous of bad press for whatever reason so they shut it down. Bad press is one thing if we're raising money under the banner of the KKK or something, but a video game? Really? If they truly cared about the kids they would've left it up regardless of petty complaints. I'm angry at them too.

Seriously? They have no real reason to be mad at CP. They didn't do anything wrong. These big companies fund and donate to CP and it was in their best interest not to get involved further.

Why don't you blame the sick kids for this while you're at it.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 23 mars 2012 - 12:57 .