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[thesmallearth]

[quote]Rockpopple wrote...

Enough refunds from the charity were made to close the donations to the charity. That speaks volumes.[/quote

No - stick to the facts.  The Charity had issues about being used to back a grievance.

Modifié par thesmallearth, 23 mars 2012 - 12:57 .

[ShawdowRaptor]

ZLurps wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i sent you my proof and if you can honestly read that and tell me what im saying is wrong fine do so but dont try and say omg everything cant be trusted

The links you set up earlier as "proof" were just restatements of what PA posted and some dude getting mad at the PA guys for shutting it down but not asking for his money back or anything. 

ATTENTION:

Tazzmission have a history of making things up. Look up guys posting history. It's not the first time he links something as "proof" even there's nothing backing him up behind the links. Why there are people doing stuff like this I don't know, don't really care.

I'm not a Retaker but I must say that what comes to claim that they are hiding behind a good cause is utter bull****.
BioWare has organised several charities, nodoby has blamed them for "hiding behind a good cause to get their stuff sold"

www.vg247.com/2011/04/18/bioware-charity-auction-for-japan-relief-fund-offers-awesome-prizes/

www.shacknews.com/article/61490/bioware-facebook-game-gives-money

Again, I don't know what is going on in some people minds in this community, but "loyal fans" is just a group of people that have a same share of all kind of personalities and points of view, also ones that most people might find outlandish.

Agreed, I've actually been laughing at everything he has posted. Maybe we should just ignore the liar?

[Tazzmission]

ZLurps wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i sent you my proof and if you can honestly read that and tell me what im saying is wrong fine do so but dont try and say omg everything cant be trusted

The links you set up earlier as "proof" were just restatements of what PA posted and some dude getting mad at the PA guys for shutting it down but not asking for his money back or anything. 

ATTENTION:

Tazzmission have a history of making things up. Look up guys posting history. It's not the first time he links something as "proof" even there's nothing backing him up behind the links. Why there are people doing stuff like this I don't know, don't really care.

I'm not a Retaker but I must say that what comes to claim that they are hiding behind a good cause is utter bull****.
BioWare has organised several charities, nodoby has blamed them for "hiding behind a good cause to get their stuff sold"

www.vg247.com/2011/04/18/bioware-charity-auction-for-japan-relief-fund-offers-awesome-prizes/

www.shacknews.com/article/61490/bioware-facebook-game-gives-money

Again, I don't know what is going on in some people minds in this community, but "loyal fans" is just a group of people that have a same share of all kind of personalities and points of view, also ones that most people might find outlandish.

 oviously you missed the conversation smart guy


i was talking about pc not bioware


heres the link wise guy


http://social.biowar...x/10496260&lf=8


read the thread before you start saying im making stuff up kid

Modifié par Tazzmission, 23 mars 2012 - 01:00 .

[Kulthar Drax]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Again, Penny Arcade created/founded/thought up Child's Play.

They haven't been hostile. They just don't agree with the movement. There is a difference. However what PA says has no real relation to CP as a whole.

After having quickly gone through as many of Penny Arcade's news posts on Mass Effect 3 as I can, I see what you mean (I did read them before but I guess emotions were clouding my judgement too much at the time). So yeah, I apologise for the assertion (general apology, not specifically directed at you). I guess this is just one of the big problems with this movement. Though in fairness, most of us are decent, reasonable people just frustrated by all the crap going on. There's always going to be a few idiots though, like those demanding a refund from a damn charity.

But I still stand by the fact everyone should be proud of the money raised to help kids, and it was never anything more (in my opinion at least) than doing something positive as a way to channel frustrations and stuff. I mean, we raised a lot of money that will undoubtedly help a lot of kids

[nevar00]

HenchxNarf wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

I think the idea is to take the money back from Child's Play and to give it to another charity, which while I don't agree with entirely, I can certainly see why people are angry at CP.

In little over a week we raised $80,000 and were still going strong with basically $10,000 A DAY. That's phenomenal. But then you've got Child's Play who got nervous of bad press for whatever reason so they shut it down. Bad press is one thing if we're raising money under the banner of the KKK or something, but a video game? Really? If they truly cared about the kids they would've left it up regardless of petty complaints. I'm angry at them too.

Seriously? They have no real reason to be mad at CP. They didn't do anything wrong. These big companies fund and donate to CP and it was in their best interest not to get involved further.

Why don't you blame the sick kids for this while you're at it.

There's not reason to be mad at them?  Perhaps you misunderstood.  They shut down a profitable charity drive for political reasons.  I'm mad at them BECAUSE we were making about $10,000 a DAY and this was going on until April 11th: those kids were going to get a lot more money than what they got.  I AM also pissed off at the idiots who complained over nothing.

im not mad at cp at all


im mad at the few people who thought
by doanting to cp would entitle them to a bioware dlc wich bioware never
promised in the first place and since they didnt get what they thought
they were owed they demand the money back

that is what pisses me off beyond belief



the
chairty has its own things to deal with and i think getting involved
with a controversial ending of a game does nothing but give them bad
publicity

Yeah I haven't see that at all. 

[VAIOMANIAC]

[quote]thesmallearth wrote...

[quote]Rockpopple wrote...

Enough refunds from the charity were made to close the donations to the charity. That speaks volumes.[/quote

No - stick to the facts.  The Charity had issues about being used to back a grievance.

[/quote]

I think lying about this would not help PA cause either so why even do it.
I was just disgusted by people demanding refunds at all

Modifié par VAIOMANIAC, 23 mars 2012 - 01:01 .

[HenchxNarf]

Kulthar Drax wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Again, Penny Arcade created/founded/thought up Child's Play.

They haven't been hostile. They just don't agree with the movement. There is a difference. However what PA says has no real relation to CP as a whole.

After having quickly gone through as many of Penny Arcade's news posts on Mass Effect 3 as I can, I see what you mean (I did read them before but I guess emotions were clouding my judgement too much at the time). So yeah, I apologise for the assertion (general apology, not specifically directed at you). I guess this is just one of the big problems with this movement. Though in fairness, most of us are decent, reasonable people just frustrated by all the crap going on. There's always going to be a few idiots though, like those demanding a refund from a damn charity.

But I still stand by the fact everyone should be proud of the money raised to help kids, and it was never anything more (in my opinion at least) than doing something positive as a way to channel frustrations and stuff. I mean, we raised a lot of money that will undoubtedly help a lot of kids

Not if they keep demanding refunds

[Tirranek]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

How people can argue against this whole movement being labled as whiney entitled brats is beyond me.

Look, so much people asked for their money back from CHARITY that the charity had to close it's doors to new donations. That's how entitled they are.

Except...if you *READ* their post, that's not the reason why.

Yeah that's not how it comes off at all. If anything it seems that the charity had just become too closely linked to developments one way or the other. In order to not set a precedent, the current drive was closed.

Because  a high number of people demanded their money back.

From a charity.

Higher than normal, which says a lot but isn't actual figures. It could be in the dozens, hundreds, or five, there aren't hard numbers atm. Saying that an irregular number of people asked for refunds is a fact. Saying it closed is a fact. Saying it closed because so many people asked for a refund is technically true, but misleading.

For the record, I never took part in this drive because it honestly made no sense to me. I mean, I can appreciate that something is going towards a good cause, but this is how it seemed in my head.

"Grrr. Damn you, Bioware! Your ending sucks so much ass it ruined the franchise for me. I'm so angry, so help me I'll-...Wait, you there, what's your name?"

"Timmy."

"Great. Timmy, eat this delicious sandwhich."

'Ooo thanks! ...But why?"

"Because I'm ****** pissed. That's why"

[Dridengx]

Kulthar Drax wrote...

But I still stand by the fact everyone should be proud of the money raised to help kids

Except for the fact that the money wasn't raised FOR the kids but for ME3's new ending you wanted. AND you can't take pride in a movement that is asking for it's money back. You personally can be proud, but the rest of the world is not going to see it that way

[HenchxNarf]

nevar00 wrote...


There's not reason to be mad at them?  Perhaps you misunderstood.  They shut down a profitable charity drive for political reasons.  I'm mad at them BECAUSE we were making about $10,000 a DAY and this was going on until April 11th: those kids were going to get a lot more money than what they got.  I AM also pissed off at the idiots who complained over nothing.

No, there isn't. Have you ever heard of the saying "Don't bite the hand that feeds you."? Because of everything they were getting, the hate mail, the refunds. They chose not to get involved further because it could potentially hurt their ties with the big name companies who donate more.

Big name companies generally don't like controversy. Neither do charaties. If you can't understand why they did what they did, then I'm sorry. I don't know what else to tell you. But they aren't at fault here.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 23 mars 2012 - 01:03 .

[golyoscsapagy]

Computron2000 wrote...
Here, let me answer you with a post

MaximusRex wrote...
From someone who worked in the payment processing business, high amount doesn't really mean that much in terms of volume. If you normally get 1 chargeback a year then you get 5 in a week, that is a high amount. Charities are considered low risk of chargeback, though taking fund online is higher risk, most people don't steal credit cards to give the money away. It would take very little activity to raise alarms, so to speak, from a payment processing kind of term.

As i noted prior, the absolute number of transactions can be easily definied as high even if the percentage is low.

You are strawmanning.
Debate my statement - 'There are apparently more idiots in the retake movement than in the general public'. You add nothing either pro or contra to my argument.

[killnoob]

Jimbe2693 wrote...

Smells like an attempt to smear RetakeME3.

so the movement ccanot be criticised or scrutinized?

you know, you sounded just like  a certain game company
"those destructively negative comment on Metacritics are try to smear our products"

looks like the retake ME3 movement has grown into a thing what it originally set out to fight 

[Vaktathi]

Tazzmission wrote...

 oviously you missed the conversation smart guy


i was talking about pc not bioware


heres the link wise guy


http://social.biowar...x/10496260&lf=8


read the thread before you start saying im making stuff up kid

The dude acts like an ass, but he's not asking for his money back or thinking that his donation was going towards ME3 content production or anything, he's just the point of why they asked the Chipin to shut down.

That's it.

[Dridengx]

nevar00 wrote...

There's not reason to be mad at them?  Perhaps you misunderstood.  They shut down a profitable charity drive for political reasons.  I'm mad at them BECAUSE we were making about $10,000 a DAY

Just how long do you think you were going to be able to supply CP with 10k a day for? Wouldn't your "movement' stop once ME3 gets a new ending? The companies that support them give them money yearly, can you say the same? Didn't think so. As a charity, you are accepting hand outs, you don't want to take sides and you definitely don't want to lose money from someone who donates big bucks.

Do you see their side now? hmm taint my image, lose big company donations for RME group who will support me for a couple weeks.. or drop RME group and continue with companies providing me big checks.. which would you pick?

Also, I was aware by RME members that your 'goal' was 80k which you hit right before closing. So, it sounded like they were going to quit soon anyway

Modifié par Dridengx, 23 mars 2012 - 01:08 .

[nevar00]

HenchxNarf wrote...

nevar00 wrote...


There's not reason to be mad at them?  Perhaps you misunderstood.  They shut down a profitable charity drive for political reasons.  I'm mad at them BECAUSE we were making about $10,000 a DAY and this was going on until April 11th: those kids were going to get a lot more money than what they got.  I AM also pissed off at the idiots who complained over nothing.

No, there isn't. Have you ever heard of the saying "Don't bite the hand that feeds you."? Because of everything they were getting, the hate mail, the refunds. They chose not to get involved further because it could potentially hurt their ties with the big name companies who donate more.

Big name companies generally don't like controversy. Neither do charaties. If you can't understand why they did what they did, then I'm sorry. I don't know what else to tell you. But they aren't at fault here.

This "controversy" is over a video game ending: this isn't something that most big businesses and people give a **** about, a little hate mail or not.  If this were some sort of insanely controversial topic I could buy them shutting it down and not wanting to get involved but that isn't the case here. 

Again I could be wrong but I believe the refunds came after the charity drive was shut down and, while I definitely don't agree with it, I think the idea was to give it to a different charity, not to pocket it for themselves.  

Just how long do you think you were going to be able to supply CP
with 10k a day for? Wouldn't your "movement' stop once ME3 gets a new
ending? The companies that support them give them money yearly, can you
say the same? Didn't think so. As a charity, you are accepting hand
outs, you don't want to take sides and you definitely don't want to lose
money from someone who donates big bucks.

Do you see their side
now? hmm taint my image, lose big company donations for RME group who
will support me for a couple weeks.. or drop RME group and continue with
companies providing me big checks.. which would you pick?

You're suggesting they would lose money from someone who donates big bucks over this "controversy", or that anyone who donates big bucks would care about a couple of people squabbling over the ending to a video game.

Modifié par nevar00, 23 mars 2012 - 01:09 .

[Aurvant]

I support the Retake Mss Effect drive, but if you've donated money to a charity you just need to understand that you don't have a good excuse for asking for a refund. That money is going to help a lot of children, so if you've donated money to bring attention to something, guess what, that money is not refundable.

If you consider your donation a loss to your bank account? Eat that loss and move the **** on. You shouldn't be able to abuse a charity just to raise awareness.

Like PA said: Child’s Play cannot be a tool to draw attention to a cause.  Child’s Play must be the Cause.

[VAIOMANIAC]

Tirranek wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

How people can argue against this whole movement being labled as whiney entitled brats is beyond me.

Look, so much people asked for their money back from CHARITY that the charity had to close it's doors to new donations. That's how entitled they are.

Except...if you *READ* their post, that's not the reason why.

Yeah that's not how it comes off at all. If anything it seems that the charity had just become too closely linked to developments one way or the other. In order to not set a precedent, the current drive was closed.

Because  a high number of people demanded their money back.

From a charity.

Higher than normal, which says a lot but isn't actual figures. It could be in the dozens, hundreds, or five, there aren't hard numbers atm. Saying that an irregular number of people asked for refunds is a fact. Saying it closed is a fact. Saying it closed because so many people asked for a refund is technically true, but misleading.

For the record, I never took part in this drive because it honestly made no sense to me. I mean, I can appreciate that something is going towards a good cause, but this is how it seemed in my head.

"Grrr. Damn you, Bioware! Your ending sucks so much ass it ruined the franchise for me. I'm so angry, so help me I'll-...Wait, you there, what's your name?"

"Timmy."

"Great. Timmy, eat this delicious sandwhich."

'Ooo thanks! ...But why?"

"Because I'm ****** pissed. That's why"

Lol good one but to those complaining about us even donating that`s not the issue I wanted to bring this up I fully knew that I donated to a charity and I did not expect to get anything back.

I feel good about those kids getting all that money but unfortunatley there are som idiots out there that want it back because they could not understand what they were donating for even though this has been known for two weeks now.

[Dridengx]

Aurvant wrote...

I support the Retake Mss Effect drive, but if you've donated money to a charity you just need to understand that you don't have a good excuse for asking for a refund. That money is going to help a lot of children, so if you've donated money to bring attention to something, guess what, that money is not refundable.

If you consider your donation a loss to your bank account? Eat that loss and move the **** on. You shouldn't be able to abuse a charity just to raise awareness.

Like PA said: Child’s Play cannot be a tool to draw attention to a cause.  Child’s Play must be the Cause.

if you need to explain this type of stuff, don't you feel you are in the wrong group? You don't need RME to help Children. IF you do it as a group then it's not about the kids is it? it's about attention as a group

Modifié par Dridengx, 23 mars 2012 - 01:10 .

[ZLurps]

Tazzmission wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i sent you my proof and if you can honestly read that and tell me what im saying is wrong fine do so but dont try and say omg everything cant be trusted

The links you set up earlier as "proof" were just restatements of what PA posted and some dude getting mad at the PA guys for shutting it down but not asking for his money back or anything. 

ATTENTION:

Tazzmission have a history of making things up. Look up guys posting history. It's not the first time he links something as "proof" even there's nothing backing him up behind the links. Why there are people doing stuff like this I don't know, don't really care.

I'm not a Retaker but I must say that what comes to claim that they are hiding behind a good cause is utter bull****.
BioWare has organised several charities, nodoby has blamed them for "hiding behind a good cause to get their stuff sold"

www.vg247.com/2011/04/18/bioware-charity-auction-for-japan-relief-fund-offers-awesome-prizes/

www.shacknews.com/article/61490/bioware-facebook-game-gives-money

Again, I don't know what is going on in some people minds in this community, but "loyal fans" is just a group of people that have a same share of all kind of personalities and points of view, also ones that most people might find outlandish.

 oviously you missed the conversation smart guy


i was talking about pc not bioware


heres the link wise guy


http://social.biowar...x/10496260&lf=8


read the thread before you start saying im making stuff up kid

Guy in logged conversation is not asking his money back. So again, where is your proof kid?

[ScotGaymer]

@Tirranek

You have never heard of channeling anger and frustration into a positive outlet? Thats what the charity drive was about, and honestly I think you are just making excuses for not donating.


@Driden

Once again you are generalising, cherry picking facts and twisting them to suit yourself. Quit it.

To ascribe the motivations of a few idiots to every single person in the movement is both ludicrous and idiotic. I am sorry I don't wish to be insulting but it really is one of the most stupid things I have seen you say yet.
And I've seen you say some mighty daft things.

For the most part, most of us CAN indeed be proud of the good work that we did. And continue on channeling our negativity into a positive outlet.
It's very Buddist. lol.

[Vaktathi]

Dridengx wrote...
if you need to explain this type of stuff, don't you feel you are in the wrong group?

Perhaps it's also possible that any large group of people inevitably has its share of idiots?

[thesmallearth]

Dridengx wrote...

Kulthar Drax wrote...

But I still stand by the fact everyone should be proud of the money raised to help kids

Except for the fact that the money wasn't raised FOR the kids but for ME3's new ending you wanted. AND you can't take pride in a movement that is asking for it's money back. You personally can be proud, but the rest of the world is not going to see it that way

IMHO opinion the charity collection was used as a means to highlight a grievance BUT in doing so made a huge amount of money for a worhwhile charity, that may not have received the 80K otherwise.

I have respect for the 'movement' since the sought an outlet that would benefit others, its just a real pity that a bad bunch of apples can contaminate the whole barrel.

The underlying purpose is to help Bioware create the best product possible and any 'bodies' of people will always attract this type of 'extremists' and the best way to deal with these type of individuals is to create as much distance from this type of behaviour as possible.

Always be civil, polite, stick to the facts for a balanced discussion, and everyone wins.

[lokiarchetype]

I can see how, in the heat of the moment, it is easy to think "Oh yeah, you don't want my money? Then give it back!"  That is a very human response and it can feel like what they deserve at the moment...

But don't forget who this is actually hurting - the beneficiaries of the charity.

CP is already doing them a disservice by refusing the donations. Be the better person, do not compound this by asking for a refund.

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 23 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[txmn1016]

@Dridengx

There are just a myriad of wrong things you're saying about the Retake charity movement. If you have questions you want answered please feel free to contact me or go ask someone on the actual charity thread.

[Dridengx]

FitScotGaymer wrote...


@Driden

Once again you are generalising, cherry picking facts and twisting them to suit yourself. Quit it.
.

show me a post where I generalized? picking facts? so you admit I am speaking facts. twist? I don't twist, I state, then I explain to them how to use these facts to come to a conclusion. This isn't about what suits me, its about discussing the topics and helping people understand. I wasn't even spekaing to you, so I fail to see why you would interupt to tell me to stop. If you have a problem with my posts, there is an ignore button