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[txmn1016]

Dridengx wrote...

thesmallearth wrote...


IMHO opinion the charity collection was used as a means to highlight a grievance BUT in doing so made a huge amount of money for a worhwhile charity, that may not have received the 80K otherwise.

I have respect for the 'movement' since the sought an outlet that would benefit others, its just a real pity that a bad bunch of apples can contaminate the whole barrel.

The underlying purpose is to help Bioware create the best product possible and any 'bodies' of people will always attract this type of 'extremists' and the best way to deal with these type of individuals is to create as much distance from this type of behaviour as possible.

Always be civil, polite, stick to the facts for a balanced discussion, and everyone wins.

So you admit Bioware's ending is what caused the movement to the charity, and you admit there is an underlying incentive behind the charity to 'help' Bioware create more product and in this case the ending you desire, correct? How is that not using the children then?

So you all banded together for the kids, not because of the ending? I saw a lot of threads here bragging about the charity and using it as a tool to prove they were not a minority. I'm not saying your RME group didn't have good intentions but bad leadership destroyed RME's image imo to the outsider.

facepalm

I'm going to say it again.  If you want to know, just ask (and please, w/o being rude about it). The Retake charity was founded in the wake of the backlash from the endings.  There was a heck of a lot of rage on the boards (it's hard to believe that was only a week ago).  The people who put it together were first and foremost, attempting to rechannel all that rage into something more positive.  How do I know? Because I was there.  Go back and read the discussion thread.  It's all there.  The endings were what people were so upset about, so the intent was to rechannel all that rage being directed at writers/devs/mods into something we could be positive about.  Raising money to help sick kids.  If you talk to people in the charity thread, most people couldn't be arsed about the endings anymore.  Doing some good gave a lot of people the closure they needed.  
As for bad leadership, the person who created the Chipin page has been phenomenal.  I won't have anything bad said about him.  That being said, like any big group, the voices of the many start to cloud the voices of the few.  The charity has, for the most part, been entirely anonymous in terms of who does what.  And apart from the obvious heavy lifters (founder of the Chipin page and a few others), no voice carries anymore weight than any other.  Maybe that was a detriment in the long run, but this was first and foremost a community endeavor.  Even if people never get the closure they desire, the majority of them at least feel like they've done something good.

Modifié par txmn1016, 23 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[ZLurps]

Christoffee wrote...


Some people have only donated because they want to make Bioware guilty, so they change the ending. The ending wasn't great, but this idea was a bad one from the start. You should donate to Child's Play because you want to, not for some ulterior motive. That's part of the reason why I don't want it ending to change.

Does it also work otherway around. I mean BioWare has organised charites for Japan quake victims and other causes. By your logic, wouldn't that mean they did it not because of the cause but to make consumers feel quilty not supporting them by buying their products?

[HenchxNarf]

Quietness wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Great, this discussion again with the same trolls from late last night who were using it as a means of furthering their own twisted views. The last 2 were locked for a reason...

Just because they don't agree with you, does not make them trolls.

No you are a troll, you twist things to fit your little perception, and attempt to lump an incredibly small % of either idiots or just plain heartless bastards into a single group. You also refuse to do any research into anything without posting your small minded little views and claim them as fact.

Actually, I'm not. And I haven't lumped anyone in, if you've read what I've been saying. Just because I don't agree with you and I find some of the stuff you say false, does not make me a troll.

[Tazzmission]

HenchxNarf wrote...

jdgjordan wrote...

dude no one is demanding there money back don't make an issue that is not there you just want to see people arguee and to the people that are believing him........ wow your idiots

When the founder of Child's Play states that there have been refund requests.. Who else are you supposed to believe?

im interested to see if paypal will release any info on the situation

just watch when that happens and if it does the same people will say op nooooope  its rigged next

[Scoob]

Who the hell cares WHY the money was raised, 80.000$ is going to childs play, that is the only thing that matters. Anyone using this to smear people, you should be ashamed of yourselves, did you donate?

While the world is run by oil and weapons, and war, and people everywhere are suffering in syria and africa and china or korea, and the US is a corrupt mess and the banks run the world, some kids on a forum did something good for kids, trying to stand up to a gigantic, monstrous company which is the power of EA, who the hell cares why it was raised? Be glad we did it.

Modifié par Scoob, 23 mars 2012 - 01:30 .

[Vaktathi]

golyoscsapagy wrote...

And no, while the quantity of idiots in the general population is probably higher, the ratio of idiots in the retake movement is more.  Otherwise they wouldn't achieve an out of the ordinary refund ratio.

Not necessarily true. Again, this was not going through CP's normal donation channels nor were the donations from their normal donation base. We had several thousand donors over just a couple weeks donating relatively small amounts each, which from what I gather is much different from what is the norm for CP, which often recieves a smaller number of much larger donations often from large organizations. Not hard to see where abnormal numbers of issues would arise.

[ZLurps]

Tazzmission wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Hey Tazzmission.

I'm still waiting for a link for conversation where someone is actually asking their money back.

expect it later on tonight

im trying to stay awake here and its already like 20 to 9 am where im at

So you didn't have anything. What a twist! Oh, wait, it's not.

Modifié par ZLurps, 23 mars 2012 - 01:31 .

[freshtoothpaste]

It's possible that people are dumb, that they donated money thinking that this was a 1 to 1 quid pro quo type thing. 

It's possible that the original donation page got trolled. Maybe people purposely donated, then purposely took the money back, to make it look bad.

I have no idea. I do know that we have the power to make up the difference.

I have a post about it, here. Please read it, offer your thoughts, and maybe donate anyway to Child's Play, or encourage other people to do so.

http://social.biowar.../index/10509626

[LancerGirl]

What. The. Hell.
This is disgusting

[ScotGaymer]

HenchxNarf wrote...


Actually, I'm not. And I haven't lumped anyone in, if you've read what I've been saying. Just because I don't agree with you and I find some of the stuff you say false, does not make me a troll.

To be fair, some of the people that are posting in here ARE trolling. Sadly.

[jdgjordan]

HenchxNarf wrote...

jdgjordan wrote...

dude no one is demanding there money back don't make an issue that is not there you just want to see people arguee and to the people that are believing him........ wow your idiots

When the founder of Child's Play states that there have been refund requests.. Who else are you supposed to believe?

link please other wise dont try and make fake evidence.

[HenchxNarf]

jdgjordan wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

jdgjordan wrote...

dude no one is demanding there money back don't make an issue that is not there you just want to see people arguee and to the people that are believing him........ wow your idiots

When the founder of Child's Play states that there have been refund requests.. Who else are you supposed to believe?

link please other wise dont try and make fake evidence.

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect

It's from the co-founder of Child's Play. Proof enough?

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 23 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[DaringMoosejaw]

Ah, generalizations. Are there any facts you can't obfuscate?

[Vaktathi]

Tazzmission wrote...

im interested to see if paypal will release any info on the situation

just watch when that happens and if it does the same people will say op nooooope  its rigged next

If you are expecting Paypal to release any sort of information like that you're going to be disappointed. I can't recall an instance of them ever doing so. CP might, but not Paypal. Besides, for Paypal, this kind of thing happens dozens of times a day, it's not anything that's newsworthy for them.

[HenchxNarf]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...


Actually, I'm not. And I haven't lumped anyone in, if you've read what I've been saying. Just because I don't agree with you and I find some of the stuff you say false, does not make me a troll.

To be fair, some of the people that are posting in here ARE trolling. Sadly.

Yeah, there is, on both sides. But I'm not one of them.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 23 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[Tazzmission]

ZLurps wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Hey Tazzmission.

I'm still waiting for a link for conversation where someone is actually asking their money back.

expect it later on tonight

im trying to stay awake here and its already like 20 to 9 am where im at

So you didn't have anything. What a twist! Oh, wait, it's not.

you do realize i have real life prioritys right?

its not like i can just sit at the computer  24 hours a day

i need sleep seeing as i am human

Modifié par Tazzmission, 23 mars 2012 - 01:36 .

[golyoscsapagy]

Vaktathi wrote...

golyoscsapagy wrote...

And no, while the quantity of idiots in the general population is probably higher, the ratio of idiots in the retake movement is more.  Otherwise they wouldn't achieve an out of the ordinary refund ratio.

Not necessarily true. Again, this was not going through CP's normal donation channels nor were the donations from their normal donation base. We had several thousand donors over just a couple weeks donating relatively small amounts each, which from what I gather is much different from what is the norm for CP, which often recieves a smaller number of much larger donations often from large organizations. Not hard to see where abnormal numbers of issues would arise.

Not the norm of CP. But it was paypal who raised the issue not them. This is not the first time paypal processes payments for charity online. So I would stay with my initial statement, and say it's true.

Modifié par golyoscsapagy, 23 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[Computron2000]

golyoscsapagy wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

golyoscsapagy wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...
Here, let me answer you with a post

MaximusRex wrote...
From someone who worked in the payment processing business, high amount doesn't really mean that much in terms of volume. If you normally get 1 chargeback a year then you get 5 in a week, that is a high amount. Charities are considered low risk of chargeback, though taking fund online is higher risk, most people don't steal credit cards to give the money away. It would take very little activity to raise alarms, so to speak, from a payment processing kind of term.

As i noted prior, the absolute number of transactions can be easily definied as high even if the percentage is low.

You are strawmanning.
Debate my statement - 'There are apparently more idiots in the retake movement than in the general public'. You add nothing either pro or contra to my argument.

Ah, you failed to use logic in your sentence structure there. 
 
Your statement was 
"This also means that apparently there are much more ****tards in the retake movement than in the general population (as if it was the same the refund ratio would be normal)."

No there are less ****tards in the retake movement than in the general population. Reason? Simply because the absolute population number is lower.
Would you like to try again?

Oh after you reframe your sentence correctly, here's the answer "The answer is unknown unless the general public experiences an event on the same level as what happened here, allowing the variables to be reflected fairly or you are comparing apples to oranges".

Really, don't try anything that involves maths/statistics in your future, it will be a service to everyone.

For a guy who wrote tons of lines about ratios and variances you really try hard to substitute them however it serves your needs (and trying much harder to disregard words from sentences).

But probably that bolding magic will work on you:
"This also means that apparently there are much more ****tards in the retake movement than in the general population (as if it was the same the refund ratio would be normal)."  <- See what I did there? talking about ratios all the time. Not variances. Ratios.

'There are apparently more idiots in the retake movement than in the general public'.  And still talking about ratios. Again. There's no use to talk about variances when you don't know any numbers - not the one you are comparing not the other you are comparing to.

And no, while the quantity of idiots in the general population is probably higher, the ratio of idiots in the retake movement is more.  Otherwise they wouldn't achieve an out of the ordinary refund ratio. A further logical conclusion would be that everything that the retake movement stands for is more attractive to people who feel it perfectly normal that their charity donations should be refunded. That's not something I would be proud of.

Ah, good to see you understood what i was point out . I understand the opening insult since you has a mistake pointed out to you, it was predictable. 

As i already mentioned in the prior post, "The answer is unknown unless the general public experiences an event on the same level as what happened here, allowing the variables to be reflected fairly or you are comparing apples to oranges".

Short form: The scientific method

[GoblinSapper]

Demanding your money back from a charity?

Grand. Congratulations on destroying the movement. This could've been a mature expression of user dissatisfaction and positive social disobedience, instead insipid morons have turned us into a target. That is IT for RETME3 in the court of Public Opinion. You've destroyed it. There is nothing more based and vile then snatching money out of the hands of charity. You've proven fat balls of bile like Jim Sterling right about us.

Hope your proud.

[Tazzmission]

Vaktathi wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

im interested to see if paypal will release any info on the situation

just watch when that happens and if it does the same people will say op nooooope  its rigged next

If you are expecting Paypal to release any sort of information like that you're going to be disappointed. I can't recall an instance of them ever doing so. CP might, but not Paypal. Besides, for Paypal, this kind of thing happens dozens of times a day, it's not anything that's newsworthy for them.

well like i said itll be interesting because we would get to see who was right regarding how many people demanded a refund

i think and i may be wrong but if paypal thinks this will give them a bad image than whos to say they wouldnt release such information?

[Murkman4683]

I love it, this just continues to unfold into one gigantic mess. What happens next, do we find out that a majority of those who hate the ending haven't even played the game yet, highly unlikely, right?

Anyways, this doesn't surprise me, gamers are not particularity known for their charitable contributions, just looking out for themselves, like every other scheming human being.

"I gave to a charity, NOW GIVE ME MY ENDING"!!!

[ZLurps]

Tazzmission wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Hey Tazzmission.

I'm still waiting for a link for conversation where someone is actually asking their money back.

expect it later on tonight

im trying to stay awake here and its already like 20 to 9 am where im at

So you didn't have anything. What a twist! Oh, wait, it's not.

you do realize i have real life prioritys right?

its not like i can just sit at the compute 24 hours a day

i need sleep seeing as i am human

I see you had a higher priority to spend your time slinging mud without evidence backing you up.

Also, again BioWare has orgranised several charities. Nobody has blamed them for hiding behind a good cause to sell more products. Douple standards much?

[Tirranek]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

@Tirranek

You have never heard of channeling anger and frustration into a positive outlet? Thats what the charity drive was about, and honestly I think you are just making excuses for not donating.

Steady now. I don't need a reason to not give to a charity. Prior to all this I hadn't actually heard of Child's Play, and I certainly wasn't going to make an initial donation because I wanted to express my opinion concerning the ending of a videogame.

When I give to charities or collections, it's because I admire and support the aims of the organisation, that's it, and in my opinion that's all it should ever be.

[Vaktathi]

golyoscsapagy wrote...

Not the norm of CP. But it was paypal who raised the issue not them. This is not the first time paypal processes payments for charity online. So I would stay with my initial statement, and say it's true.

Again, as I noted earlier, it doesn't take much for Paypal to issue a notice. Having 3 requests in one day would do it most likely for a charity like that.

[alex13abc]

Still no proof ? Is this true or just wild accusations ? Retake raised more than 70000$. If anybody is asking for their donation back it's a few heartless people. But then again, still waiting for proof OP.