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[Ubergrog]

First things first...

There is ZERO evidence that ANYONE has 'demanded their money back'. The owners of Penny Arcade (Gabe and Tycho) have -never- been above lying to prove their points in the past.I have commented in other parts of the forums that they are nasty, hypocritical and opinionated jerks who care more about their own ego then the good of others.

Quite frankly, the Charity raised 80,000 dollars. The passion of so many gamers pushed a LOT of green to less fortunate children, and it made one hell of a point. It's like turning away charity money from the Shriners or the Freemasons because you are afraid your charity will approve of silly hats and private lodges.

Gabe and Tycho do not support the retake movement. That is why it was shut down. If they cared about 'the children', they would, like any charity, take the money and use it for the purpose instead of trying to claim idealism in denying the money.

Lets see how fast medical research charities turn down 80+grand. More then likely they will say "yeah sure, the endings sucked, thanks for the cash!" and use it to save lives.

edit: Until another source beyond Gabe and Tycho comes foreword, all claims that people want their money back should be held heavily suspect. 

Modifié par Ubergrog, 23 mars 2012 - 02:00 .

[HenchxNarf]

Ubergrog wrote...

First things first...

There is ZERO evidence that ANYONE has 'demanded their money back'. The owners of Penny Arcade (Gabe and Tycho) have -never- been above lying to prove their points in the past.I have commented in other parts of the forums that they are nasty, hypocritical and opinionated jerks who care more about their own ego then the good of others.

Quite frankly, the Charity raised 80,000 dollars. The passion of so many gamers pushed a LOT of green to less fortunate children, and it made one hell of a point. It's like turning away charity money from the Shriners or the Freemasons because you are afraid your charity will approve of silly hats and private lodges.

Gabe and Tycho do not support the retake movement. That is why it was shut down. If they cared about 'the children', they would, like any charity, take the money and use it for the purpose instead of trying to claim idealism in denying the money.

Lets see how fast medical research charities turn down 80+grand. More then likely they will say "yeah sure, the endings sucked, thanks for the cash!" and use it to save lives.

Gabe and Tycho are the co-founders of Child's Play, so I'm sure that they care about the children....

But when it turns into a conflict of interest with big companies that donate more, it's in CP's b est interest not to get involved with a movement.

edit: So you won't believe the founders of the charity? Then who else are you supposed to believe?

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 23 mars 2012 - 02:02 .

[FataliTensei]

I have yet to see anyone demanding their money back, this sounds like bull**** from the other side. Granted there is bound to be at least ONE person who will say something like that on our side, but I as of yet have not seen anyone.

Modifié par FataliTensei, 23 mars 2012 - 02:01 .

[txmn1016]

HenchxNarf wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

Who gives a **** about what the cause is, the fact is a lot of money was raised for kids and was still going to be raised by kids until CP shut it down.  

Do you REALLY think organizations and businesses that raise money aren't doing it for their own agendas?  Please.  Those who asked for refunds are idiots, I agree, as are those who complained to CP in the first place.  And as is CP for closing down a profitable charity drive for a bs reason.  

You know.. you just contradicted everything the movement said about the charity. "Its for the kids!"

If you're interested, go back and read my earlier post on this subject (about the motivations of the fund and needing a "cause" to donate, probably on this page).

[snajones]

Ubergrog wrote...

First things first...

There is ZERO evidence that ANYONE has 'demanded their money back'. The owners of Penny Arcade (Gabe and Tycho) have -never- been above lying to prove their points in the past.I have commented in other parts of the forums that they are nasty, hypocritical and opinionated jerks who care more about their own ego then the good of others.

Quite frankly, the Charity raised 80,000 dollars. The passion of so many gamers pushed a LOT of green to less fortunate children, and it made one hell of a point. It's like turning away charity money from the Shriners or the Freemasons because you are afraid your charity will approve of silly hats and private lodges.

Gabe and Tycho do not support the retake movement. That is why it was shut down. If they cared about 'the children', they would, like any charity, take the money and use it for the purpose instead of trying to claim idealism in denying the money.

Lets see how fast medical research charities turn down 80+grand. More then likely they will say "yeah sure, the endings sucked, thanks for the cash!" and use it to save lives.

edit: Until another source beyond Gabe and Tycho comes foreword, all claims that people want their money back should be held heavily suspect. 

Quoted for truth

Hold the line!

[Dridengx]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Ubergrog wrote...

First things first...

There is ZERO evidence that ANYONE has 'demanded their money back'. The owners of Penny Arcade (Gabe and Tycho) have -never- been above lying to prove their points in the past.I have commented in other parts of the forums that they are nasty, hypocritical and opinionated jerks who care more about their own ego then the good of others.

Quite frankly, the Charity raised 80,000 dollars. The passion of so many gamers pushed a LOT of green to less fortunate children, and it made one hell of a point. It's like turning away charity money from the Shriners or the Freemasons because you are afraid your charity will approve of silly hats and private lodges.

Gabe and Tycho do not support the retake movement. That is why it was shut down. If they cared about 'the children', they would, like any charity, take the money and use it for the purpose instead of trying to claim idealism in denying the money.

Lets see how fast medical research charities turn down 80+grand. More then likely they will say "yeah sure, the endings sucked, thanks for the cash!" and use it to save lives.

Gabe and Tycho are the co-founders of Child's Play, so I'm sure that they care about the children....

no, no.. they invented the charity as a farce to look good.. their real agenda was to wait years later for ME3 to launch with a 'bad' ending so they could screw over a small minority group when they use them for a retaking.. it was all planned!

[Loreshield]

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

UPDATE 2 : I`m out consider me longer a part of the movement 

Because of a few very, very bad apples? Your decision, I guess, but come on.

[Ubergrog]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Ubergrog wrote...

First things first...

There is ZERO evidence that ANYONE has 'demanded their money back'. The owners of Penny Arcade (Gabe and Tycho) have -never- been above lying to prove their points in the past.I have commented in other parts of the forums that they are nasty, hypocritical and opinionated jerks who care more about their own ego then the good of others.

Quite frankly, the Charity raised 80,000 dollars. The passion of so many gamers pushed a LOT of green to less fortunate children, and it made one hell of a point. It's like turning away charity money from the Shriners or the Freemasons because you are afraid your charity will approve of silly hats and private lodges.

Gabe and Tycho do not support the retake movement. That is why it was shut down. If they cared about 'the children', they would, like any charity, take the money and use it for the purpose instead of trying to claim idealism in denying the money.

Lets see how fast medical research charities turn down 80+grand. More then likely they will say "yeah sure, the endings sucked, thanks for the cash!" and use it to save lives.

Gabe and Tycho are the co-founders of Child's Play, so I'm sure that they care about the children....

Then they should not have tried to claim idealism and turn down a source of caritable revinue.  Like I said, if they truely cared, they would have kept their mouths shut, and just accepted the money.  By stopping it, it went from charity to politics.

[Estelindis]

I'm not looking for the donation back. I'd love to get some statistics on how many others are not seeking a refund. I expect it would dwarf those who are by a large amount.

[Clayless]

Dridengx wrote...

Look at their signature



Do you see anything odd? bragging numbers, bragging time frame, slogan of retaking Mass Effect 3 but where is the act of giving? the children? the cause is the ending of the game changed not the children needing the money

You might say, oh, you made that up etc etc but Quietness, one of the biggest speakers for RME is using this sig as I type this social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9845819/265#10510348   see for yourself.


all of you who gave out of your hearts are just worth the amount of money you gave to them. you were used for attention nothing more.

Indeed. Seemingly a high enough number were using the charitable givings as a way to try and make Bioware feel bad, when giving to charity shouldn't be used for ulterior motives.

In fact the number was so high and so much people demanded their money back that they had to close the charity side of it, release a statement saying they have to change the rules to stop this from happening again in the future, and mention that in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened before.

This retake movement is becoming a bigger joke as the days pass.

[nevar00]

HenchxNarf wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

Who gives a **** about what the cause is, the fact is a lot of money was raised for kids and was still going to be raised by kids until CP shut it down.  

Do you REALLY think organizations and businesses that raise money aren't doing it for their own agendas?  Please.  Those who asked for refunds are idiots, I agree, as are those who complained to CP in the first place.  And as is CP for closing down a profitable charity drive for a bs reason.  

You know.. you just contradicted everything the movement said about the charity. "Its for the kids!"

What are you still talking about?  It IS for the kids but who cares what label it's under?  Besides Child's Play apparently.

Whether or not people donated specifically for kids or because they wanted to do it as a way to complain should be completely irrelevant regardless.  $80,000 was raised for sick kids.  "Well hurr durr it's TAINTED money!" should not matter.

[txmn1016]

Ubergrog wrote...

First things first...

There is ZERO evidence that ANYONE has 'demanded their money back'. The owners of Penny Arcade (Gabe and Tycho) have -never- been above lying to prove their points in the past.I have commented in other parts of the forums that they are nasty, hypocritical and opinionated jerks who care more about their own ego then the good of others.

Quite frankly, the Charity raised 80,000 dollars. The passion of so many gamers pushed a LOT of green to less fortunate children, and it made one hell of a point. It's like turning away charity money from the Shriners or the Freemasons because you are afraid your charity will approve of silly hats and private lodges.

Gabe and Tycho do not support the retake movement. That is why it was shut down. If they cared about 'the children', they would, like any charity, take the money and use it for the purpose instead of trying to claim idealism in denying the money.

Lets see how fast medical research charities turn down 80+grand. More then likely they will say "yeah sure, the endings sucked, thanks for the cash!" and use it to save lives.

edit: Until another source beyond Gabe and Tycho comes foreword, all claims that people want their money back should be held heavily suspect. 

First, I know people from the charity thread who have asked for their money back.  So let's just squash that here and now.  It's not something I would do myself, but they made compelling arguements so let's just leave it at that and agree to disagree.  

Second, there is no evidence that PA's disagreements with the Retake movement had any influence over CPs decision to ask the charity fund to wrap things up.  Please don't say things like this.  It makes ALL parties involved look bad. 

[Quietness]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Look at their signature

=image snip=

Do you see anything odd? bragging numbers, bragging time frame, slogan of retaking Mass Effect 3 but where is the act of giving? the children? the cause is the ending of the game changed not the children needing the money

You might say, oh, you made that up etc etc but Quietness, one of the biggest speakers for RME is using this sig as I type this social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9845819/265#10510348   see for yourself.


all of you who gave out of your hearts are just worth the amount of money you gave to them. you were used for attention nothing more.

Indeed. Seemingly a high enough number were using the charitable givings as a way to try and make Bioware feel bad, when giving to charity shouldn't be used for ulterior motives.

In fact the number was so high and so much people demanded their money back that they had to close the charity side of it, release a statement saying they have to change the rules to stop this from happening again in the future, and mention that in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened before.

This retake movement is becoming a bigger joke as the days pass.

warned.. now reported

[Vixy]

Yeah if this is true those people are awful, but I have yet to see evidence people demanded their money back.

[HenchxNarf]

Ubergrog wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Ubergrog wrote...

First things first...

There is ZERO evidence that ANYONE has 'demanded their money back'. The owners of Penny Arcade (Gabe and Tycho) have -never- been above lying to prove their points in the past.I have commented in other parts of the forums that they are nasty, hypocritical and opinionated jerks who care more about their own ego then the good of others.

Quite frankly, the Charity raised 80,000 dollars. The passion of so many gamers pushed a LOT of green to less fortunate children, and it made one hell of a point. It's like turning away charity money from the Shriners or the Freemasons because you are afraid your charity will approve of silly hats and private lodges.

Gabe and Tycho do not support the retake movement. That is why it was shut down. If they cared about 'the children', they would, like any charity, take the money and use it for the purpose instead of trying to claim idealism in denying the money.

Lets see how fast medical research charities turn down 80+grand. More then likely they will say "yeah sure, the endings sucked, thanks for the cash!" and use it to save lives.

Gabe and Tycho are the co-founders of Child's Play, so I'm sure that they care about the children....

Then they should not have tried to claim idealism and turn down a source of caritable revinue.  Like I said, if they truely cared, they would have kept their mouths shut, and just accepted the money.  By stopping it, it went from charity to politics.

Big companies give them lots of money. CP is not going to bite the hand that does more good than a small group. It was smart of them to do this, because it is about the children. Not about some pissing contest.

[Ubergrog]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Look at their signature



Do you see anything odd? bragging numbers, bragging time frame, slogan of retaking Mass Effect 3 but where is the act of giving? the children? the cause is the ending of the game changed not the children needing the money

You might say, oh, you made that up etc etc but Quietness, one of the biggest speakers for RME is using this sig as I type this social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9845819/265#10510348   see for yourself.


all of you who gave out of your hearts are just worth the amount of money you gave to them. you were used for attention nothing more.

Indeed. Seemingly a high enough number were using the charitable givings as a way to try and make Bioware feel bad, when giving to charity shouldn't be used for ulterior motives.

In fact the number was so high and so much people demanded their money back that they had to close the charity side of it, release a statement saying they have to change the rules to stop this from happening again in the future, and mention that in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened before.

This retake movement is becoming a bigger joke as the days pass.

Please show evidence of your claim, otherwise you need to stop talking now.

Also, for the original poster, I think the "$80,000 in 9 days" is a pretty good sign of "for the children!"
Stop attacking charitable donations to others just because you don't approve of the reason why they gave the money.

[MandatoryDenial1]

Wow Penny Arcade must think we're stupid. First they post a Bioware puff piece and now they want me to believe that a significant amount of people are "flooding" the non profit wanting their money back. No proof is presented and no documentation. Sorry I for one don't believe what PR companies say nor do I take the word of people whose entire existence is based upon how happy the gaming companies are with them.

Take your slanted piece and shove it penny. Oh and to DEFAME a movement of thousands based upon the actions of MAYBE a handful is a PR TACTIC at best. Show your proof Penny Arcade and do your job.

[Quietness]

Ubergrog wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Look at their signature

=snipe=

Do you see anything odd? bragging numbers, bragging time frame, slogan of retaking Mass Effect 3 but where is the act of giving? the children? the cause is the ending of the game changed not the children needing the money

You might say, oh, you made that up etc etc but Quietness, one of the biggest speakers for RME is using this sig as I type this social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9845819/265#10510348   see for yourself.


all of you who gave out of your hearts are just worth the amount of money you gave to them. you were used for attention nothing more.

Indeed. Seemingly a high enough number were using the charitable givings as a way to try and make Bioware feel bad, when giving to charity shouldn't be used for ulterior motives.

In fact the number was so high and so much people demanded their money back that they had to close the charity side of it, release a statement saying they have to change the rules to stop this from happening again in the future, and mention that in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened before.

This retake movement is becoming a bigger joke as the days pass.

Please show evidence of your claim, otherwise you need to stop talking now.

Also, for the original poster, I think the "$80,000 in 9 days" is a pretty good sign of "for the children!"
Stop attacking charitable donations to others just because you don't approve of the reason why they gave the money.

you as well

Modifié par Quietness, 23 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[Menethra]

Paypal are ass hats and will chase after money regardless of how much it is, about 9 years ago they chased me relentlessly for £100 i apparently owed them, they make a big deal out of nothing, calling, sending mails ect.

Modifié par Menethra, 23 mars 2012 - 02:10 .

[txmn1016]

Alright guys. Please stop quoting things from Dridengx. They seem to only want to inflame the situation. And it's obviously working. Try to stay civil about this.

[golyoscsapagy]

Quietness wrote...
warned.. now reported

To whom may I ask? Does BW offer hosting services in a pay/download basis?

[Clayless]

Ubergrog wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Look at their signature



Do you see anything odd? bragging numbers, bragging time frame, slogan of retaking Mass Effect 3 but where is the act of giving? the children? the cause is the ending of the game changed not the children needing the money

You might say, oh, you made that up etc etc but Quietness, one of the biggest speakers for RME is using this sig as I type this social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9845819/265#10510348   see for yourself.


all of you who gave out of your hearts are just worth the amount of money you gave to them. you were used for attention nothing more.

Indeed. Seemingly a high enough number were using the charitable givings as a way to try and make Bioware feel bad, when giving to charity shouldn't be used for ulterior motives.

In fact the number was so high and so much people demanded their money back that they had to close the charity side of it, release a statement saying they have to change the rules to stop this from happening again in the future, and mention that in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened before.

This retake movement is becoming a bigger joke as the days pass.

Please show evidence of your claim, otherwise you need to stop talking now.

Also, for the original poster, I think the "$80,000 in 9 days" is a pretty good sign of "for the children!"
Stop attacking charitable donations to others just because you don't approve of the reason why they gave the money.

It's even better that people are now demanding evidence, when it's straight from the co-founders mouth itself.

Wow. I guess the retake movement are right and the guy who founded the charity is wrong eh?

[Ubergrog]

That they are opinionated, pestilent jerks? Read their early web comics involving the userfriendly webcomics. The whole argument behind the extremely personal attacks was over making a profit from a webcomic.

Which they were against.

Look at where they are now.

[Quietness]

golyoscsapagy wrote...

Quietness wrote...
warned.. now reported

To whom may I ask? Does BW offer hosting services in a pay/download basis?

Bioware has nothing to do with it, its a direct link to my premium account they are spamming.

Modifié par Quietness, 23 mars 2012 - 02:13 .

[DoctorEss]

Looks like a bit of PR from Penny-Arcade, but the end result is "Hurr durr, we made them stop because wtf, nobody can use Child's Play to draw attention to themselves but US! BTW GIVE US ATTENTION!".

There's one website I won't be giving traffic anymore.