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[Dridengx]

Quietness wrote...

warned.. now reported

How am I warned but reported at the same time? Doesn't that oh I don't know null the warn if I'm already "punished" by the report? lol

[aznsoisauce]

While I do not regret any donation I have made to Child's Play (with and without supporting Retake) I am starting to regret associating myself with the movement...

[Foxhound2121]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Ubergrog wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Ubergrog wrote...

First things first...

There is ZERO evidence that ANYONE has 'demanded their money back'. The owners of Penny Arcade (Gabe and Tycho) have -never- been above lying to prove their points in the past.I have commented in other parts of the forums that they are nasty, hypocritical and opinionated jerks who care more about their own ego then the good of others.

Quite frankly, the Charity raised 80,000 dollars. The passion of so many gamers pushed a LOT of green to less fortunate children, and it made one hell of a point. It's like turning away charity money from the Shriners or the Freemasons because you are afraid your charity will approve of silly hats and private lodges.

Gabe and Tycho do not support the retake movement. That is why it was shut down. If they cared about 'the children', they would, like any charity, take the money and use it for the purpose instead of trying to claim idealism in denying the money.

Lets see how fast medical research charities turn down 80+grand. More then likely they will say "yeah sure, the endings sucked, thanks for the cash!" and use it to save lives.

Gabe and Tycho are the co-founders of Child's Play, so I'm sure that they care about the children....

Then they should not have tried to claim idealism and turn down a source of caritable revinue.  Like I said, if they truely cared, they would have kept their mouths shut, and just accepted the money.  By stopping it, it went from charity to politics.

Big companies give them lots of money. CP is not going to bite the hand that does more good than a small group. It was smart of them to do this, because it is about the children. Not about some pissing contest.

I have a question. If we decide to donate to other charities, is it going to make you mad?

[Ubergrog]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Ubergrog wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Look at their signature



Do you see anything odd? bragging numbers, bragging time frame, slogan of retaking Mass Effect 3 but where is the act of giving? the children? the cause is the ending of the game changed not the children needing the money

You might say, oh, you made that up etc etc but Quietness, one of the biggest speakers for RME is using this sig as I type this social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9845819/265#10510348   see for yourself.


all of you who gave out of your hearts are just worth the amount of money you gave to them. you were used for attention nothing more.

Indeed. Seemingly a high enough number were using the charitable givings as a way to try and make Bioware feel bad, when giving to charity shouldn't be used for ulterior motives.

In fact the number was so high and so much people demanded their money back that they had to close the charity side of it, release a statement saying they have to change the rules to stop this from happening again in the future, and mention that in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened before.

This retake movement is becoming a bigger joke as the days pass.

Please show evidence of your claim, otherwise you need to stop talking now.

Also, for the original poster, I think the "$80,000 in 9 days" is a pretty good sign of "for the children!"
Stop attacking charitable donations to others just because you don't approve of the reason why they gave the money.

It's even better that people are now demanding evidence, when it's straight from the co-founders mouth itself.

Wow. I guess the retake movement are right and the guy who founded the charity is wrong eh?

I was expecting something like this.  Do you expect the owner of any company, or the founder of any charity to have their word taken at face value? Remember what happened to the Komen for the Cure fiasco? Weather or not you believe in what they do, the founder of the charity was cought lying several times on camera as she tried to save her charity from the sudden backlash they brought upon themselves.   If they make such claims, they MUST back it up with evidence aside from "yeah these people totally did this". 

[The Night Mammoth]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Indeed. Seemingly a high enough number were using the charitable givings as a way to try and make Bioware feel bad, when giving to charity shouldn't be used for ulterior motives.

And yet, it almost always is used for ulterior motives. Which is why criticizing the drive because it was used to raise awareness is almost as much of a joke as people asking for their money back.

In fact the number was so high and so much people demanded their money back that they had to close the charity side of it, release a statement saying they have to change the rules to stop this from happening again in the future, and mention that in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened before.

Actually, not quite. The drive was closed because the organizers of Child's Play felt that the charity was being associated with a certain movement too much. It speaks volumes about the people saying that, but it also speaks volumes about the organizers. Take the money, help the children, tell those people they are wrong and ignore them.

As for the last part, well, I don't believe it. People have never ignorantly asked for their money back from a charity? That's hilarious, a shame that people can be that stupid, but hilarious. 

This retake movement is becoming a bigger joke as the days pass.

Some people obviously haven't be taught that negative generalizations are a bad thing. 

Pretty much everyone who supports Retake has said whoever these people are, are a bunch of fools and have insulted everyone and discarded everything they Held the Line for in favor of the most arrogantly selfish reasons ever seen on this forum. 

[CronoDragoon]

My god, the tinfoil hats of some people in here. First, if you read Tycho's post, he supports the cause. Second, there is no reason to believe he is lying since the reasons he gave are reasonable.

[PrinceHamlet82]

Sigh.....got to love the internet. I thought linking a charity to the site no matter the reason was a good thing, because donating to charity is a good thing, especially one like that, I thought it was really cool. Its a shame some people dont get it and would ask for their money back. Its also really sucks that some people feel the need to get angry and threanting and just downright nasty in pleading their case over the game. People shouldnt ask for their money back from a charity, thats just wrong.

To bad it makes others of us who really just would like to see a complete ending (hell I spent years writing and emailing then Square Soft every so often, to get more closure for FF7 (and we did eventually get Advent Children)) look bad. Oh well, welcome to the internet I suppose.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Tirranek wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

@Tirranek

You have never heard of channeling anger and frustration into a positive outlet? Thats what the charity drive was about, and honestly I think you are just making excuses for not donating.

Steady now. I don't need a reason to not give to a charity. Prior to all this I hadn't actually heard of Child's Play, and I certainly wasn't going to make an initial donation because I wanted to express my opinion concerning the ending of a videogame.

When I give to charities or collections, it's because I admire and support the aims of the organisation, that's it, and in my opinion that's all it should ever be.

Then all you're doing is disadvantaging the kids. In reality, people rarely give to charity unless they're rich or are backed up by a cause. That's just how it is. To deprive the children of all this money just because you don't believe it is moral to have another goal in mind, is selfish, self righteous and naive.

The people with causes are the ones that end up giving most to cahrity, not those who just want to help for the sake of helping. That's how it work in the real world, i'm sorry.

[Vaktathi]

HenchxNarf wrote...
Big companies give them lots of money. CP is not going to bite the hand that does more good than a small group. It was smart of them to do this, because it is about the children. Not about some pissing contest.

Hrm, lets be careful here, because now we're starting to get into saying CP did what they did to appease "the man/mr.moneybags", and that's not an avenue we want to start opening up here.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Demanding money back from a Charity sums up the Retake Mass Effect mentality perfectly.

[The Night Mammoth]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Demanding money back from a Charity sums up the Retake Mass Effect mentality perfectly.

Evidently not. 

[nevar00]

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank Gabe and Tycho for taking the obvious moral high road on this situation.  Thank you boys for shutting down a profitable charity drive that may not have been completely 100% genuine in their concern.  Thank you guys for stopping such politically motivated donations and for restoring the unwavering credibility for the concern of the children back to-

Child’s Play has three levels of sponsorship: silver, gold, and
platinum. These sponsorships run for 12 months, starting in November of
each year. Each includes a home page logo placement with link.

...Oh, wait.





Welp I guess it's back to mocking rape victims, huh guys?

[leianajade]

This really isn't the place to discuss this. I would say that this is an 'internal' conflict - not something that should be aired on BSN. (Not to mention it's off topic)

But I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment. It's disgraceful, and unfortunately gives ammo to those who believe that it was all set up for the wrong reasons to begin with.

More importantly, Shepard would disapprove, no?

[Cptnodegard]

Could someone point me to exactly what this is all about? Only visit this site every so often and seem to miss what causes reactions just to see tons of actual reactions

[Ubergrog]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Demanding money back from a Charity sums up the Retake Mass Effect mentality perfectly.

assuming you have no idea what the retake mass effect mentality is about.

unless you are some kind of omnicient star-child who can understand the feelings of over 50,000+ individuals at the same time.

...wait...

[Estelindis]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Demanding money back from a Charity sums up the Retake Mass Effect mentality perfectly.

Not really, considering that hardly anyone is doing that.  

[txmn1016]

Vaktathi wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
Big companies give them lots of money. CP is not going to bite the hand that does more good than a small group. It was smart of them to do this, because it is about the children. Not about some pissing contest.

Hrm, lets be careful here, because now we're starting to get into saying CP did what they did to appease "the man/mr.moneybags", and that's not an avenue we want to start opening up here.

I agree.  Charities/NFPs rely on good PR to survive.  Don't judge them too harshly for this.  I completely understand and respect their decision to wrap things up with us before this situation gets any more out of hand.  It was the right (and smart) thing to do on their part.

[Jaze55]

All I can say is if true, and pretty sure it is, this is pretty sickening.

[txmn1016]

Cptnodegard wrote...

Could someone point me to exactly what this is all about? Only visit this site every so often and seem to miss what causes reactions just to see tons of actual reactions

http://social.biowar...dex/9845819/266

[txmn1016]

I agree, this conversation has no place in the gameplay section. Patiently waiting for a mod to close shop on this.

[Clayless]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Indeed. Seemingly a high enough number were using the charitable givings as a way to try and make Bioware feel bad, when giving to charity shouldn't be used for ulterior motives.

And yet, it almost always is used for ulterior motives. Which is why criticizing the drive because it was used to raise awareness is almost as much of a joke as people asking for their money back.

In fact the number was so high and so much people demanded their money back that they had to close the charity side of it, release a statement saying they have to change the rules to stop this from happening again in the future, and mention that in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened before.

Actually, not quite. The drive was closed because the organizers of Child's Play felt that the charity was being associated with a certain movement too much. It speaks volumes about the people saying that, but it also speaks volumes about the organizers. Take the money, help the children, tell those people they are wrong and ignore them.

As for the last part, well, I don't believe it. People have never ignorantly asked for their money back from a charity? That's hilarious, a shame that people can be that stupid, but hilarious. 

This retake movement is becoming a bigger joke as the days pass.

Some people obviously haven't be taught that negative generalizations are a bad thing. 

Pretty much everyone who supports Retake has said whoever these people are, are a bunch of fools and have insulted everyone and discarded everything they Held the Line for in favor of the most arrogantly selfish reasons ever seen on this forum. 

In other words, people have used charities for ulterior motives in the past so it's totally ok to do it this time and I don't believe him when he says in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened to the charity either.

Nice defense.

[DoctorEss]

Given that Tycho and Gabe aren't known to be honest, upstanding individuals, I'd ask for a bit more proof than their inane, unfunny comic page.

Looks like they just want a few more website hits and cash from the advertising.

If they really were so upstanding, and didn't just want attention thrown their way, they could have simply FORKED OVER THE CASH OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS.

Or, perhaps, they match what's been donated, return everyone's money, the kids still get the money, and the charity gets free and clear of any ties that PA doesn't want it to have.

Done.

Nope. Gabe and Tycho just want more attention. They're as bad as certain other "cartoonists" that make un-funny gaming related webcomics that are badly drawn.

[golyoscsapagy]

Quietness wrote...

golyoscsapagy wrote...

Quietness wrote...
warned.. now reported

To whom may I ask? Does BW offer hosting services in a pay/download basis?

Bioware has nothing to do with it, its a direct link to my premium account they are spamming.

I see, then I think you're better off removing it. BW can't do anything about it and it's not a harassment. Otherwise everyone who refreshes his browser should be harassing you which is kind of lame.

[mi_dad]

While I despise that people are asking for their money back, actually it makes my stomach churn. I can kind of understand where they are coming from. It's not so much that people think they are "buying" a new ending its the fact that Child's Play basically said we will keep your money but we do not want to be associated with you anymore. Wouldn't a statment from them stating,  The views and opinions of The RetakeMassEffect movement are not those of Childs Play charity, have been good enough. Again I DESPISE the fact that people are asking for a return of their money.

[deathscythe517]

Dridengx wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

First how do we know the people asking for their money back aren't plants? Or people that want to see the movement fail? Remember the shady stuff that went down with ACORN?

Now I'm not saying that is what is going on but we have no proof either way. It is something to question. The donate page is very clear and only an absolute moron wouldn't figure out it was a charity for sick kids and not to remake the ME 3 ending.
.

Well, not to start a fight but you are talking about the same people who threatened Bioware Employees, reported Bioware to the FTC, filed a complaint to the BBB, filed a lawsuit against Bioware. tried to have EA's phones flooded. Had people email EA, Edited Bioware Employee's wiki pages. lower amazon review scores, bombed metacritic scores, Did bomb threat thread, attacked Jennifer Hepler, threatened the lives of the PR department, Told Pro enders to commit suicide. I mean I could go on and on.. Not saying everyone on your side is like this BUT people on your side are a bit radical..

After knowing all that, is it stupid to think a 'plant' was involved or someone on your side goofed again?

Once again we see you guys are more hive minded then you want to admit and would gladly condemn the entire group for the actions of an individual, shall I do the same and say you think customers are the equivalent of baby beaters like someone so erroneously came to the conclusion of?