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[Vaktathi]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Demanding money back from a Charity sums up the Retake Mass Effect mentality perfectly.

Aside from projecting your own issues on an extrenal source, what on earth makes you think that?

[txmn1016]

mi_dad wrote...

While I despise that people are asking for their money back, actually it makes my stomach churn. I can kind of understand where they are coming from. It's not so much that people think they are "buying" a new ending its the fact that Child's Play basically said we will keep your money but we do not want to be associated with you anymore. Wouldn't a statment from them stating,  The views and opinions of The RetakeMassEffect movement are not those of Childs Play charity, have been good enough. Again I DESPISE the fact that people are asking for a return of their money.

Gotta disagree.  Sorry

I think CP made the right call here, for a number of reasons.  When this thing was started, we had absolutely no idea how big it would get--and neither did CP.  Sure, we donated 80K, but with a huge PR sh*tstorm attached.  Some of the trashier and more irresponsible gaming media was inaccurately reporting that CP had founded and was heading the Retake charity.  CP was having problems with confusion about where the money was going and some alleged hate mail.  They were not hostile about asking us to wrap things up.  In any way.  That, if anything, should be made clear.  It would have been much more hostile, in my mind, if they had rejected all the funds (a sort of, your money is no good here mentality).  
Like I said before, charities fundamentally rely on good PR to survive. It got to a point where the association with the Retake movement could have hurt their future generated income.  They made the right decision, in my opinion.  

[txmn1016]

deathscythe517 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

First how do we know the people asking for their money back aren't plants? Or people that want to see the movement fail? Remember the shady stuff that went down with ACORN?

Now I'm not saying that is what is going on but we have no proof either way. It is something to question. The donate page is very clear and only an absolute moron wouldn't figure out it was a charity for sick kids and not to remake the ME 3 ending.
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Well, not to start a fight but you are talking about the same people who threatened Bioware Employees, reported Bioware to the FTC, filed a complaint to the BBB, filed a lawsuit against Bioware. tried to have EA's phones flooded. Had people email EA, Edited Bioware Employee's wiki pages. lower amazon review scores, bombed metacritic scores, Did bomb threat thread, attacked Jennifer Hepler, threatened the lives of the PR department, Told Pro enders to commit suicide. I mean I could go on and on.. Not saying everyone on your side is like this BUT people on your side are a bit radical..

After knowing all that, is it stupid to think a 'plant' was involved or someone on your side goofed again?

Once again we see you guys are more hive minded then you want to admit and would gladly condemn the entire group for the actions of an individual, shall I do the same and say you think customers are the equivalent of baby beaters like someone so erroneously came to the conclusion of?

Alright...not to be a thread **** but this is starting to verge on flaming.  Take it to PM if you're so intent on changing eachothers minds.

[jmarkows]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Demanding money back from a Charity sums up the Retake Mass Effect mentality perfectly.

Wrong.  I gave $10 to Childs Play knowing full well what it would be used for.

I gave it in lieu of signing my name to a petition to BioWare, as I'm certain the majority of contributors have done.

Saying that the people demanding refunds from CP reflect the Retake movement is about as dumb and truthful as saying everyone who liked the current ending is an uneducated troll.

[nevar00]

jmarkows wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Demanding money back from a Charity sums up the Retake Mass Effect mentality perfectly.

Saying that the people demanding refunds from CP reflect the Retake movement is about as dumb and truthful as saying everyone who liked the current ending is an uneducated troll.

Or that those who complained to Child's Play in the first place about the charity sum up the bio-drones perfectly. 

Modifié par nevar00, 23 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[Fruxie]

I've already said my piece on this, as far as I can tell there is a way to get your donations back, but no one has really taken the charity up on that yet. PA says they are dealing with confused people 'asking' for their donations back. I sincerely hope these people rethink it. Anyways, this is what I said earlier:

Goodness gracious folks. D: You donated to a charity! A charity. That is money you give to people that need it. To help make children happy. How could you even think of asking for it back? I am baffled.

For those angrily writing messages to Child's play requesting their donations back, please, sit back in your chair, go have some cheese and crackers. Unwind a little, pet the cat, I don't care. Reflect and realize what your money is going to be doing, and who it is going to make very very happy.

Charity is never the wrong choice. When I have money to spare I give where I can. It's not about karma, or entitlement, you don't give if the only thing on your mind is getting something back. You give because you want to, because you know that the people you are giving to need it more than you do.

Be happy! This is an amazing victory, and while most of us are unhappy the Retake charity got shut down, I am happy it even existed.

Please, don't ask for your money back. And keep holding that line, Bioware sees us, and if we keep working and keep pushing forward they may even deliver.

[MetalCargo999]

This does not help my faith in humanity very much. There really are terrible people in this world. I guess it's somewhat sobering to be reminded of that sometimes.

[DoctorEss]

Just remember guys: PA are the ones that more or less said the endings were fine, and where will Bioware be in a couple weeks? PAX.

Don't fool yourselves for a moment on this one. Gabe and Tycho simply don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.

It's sad when Buckley has more integrity than they do, really is.

[The Night Mammoth]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Indeed. Seemingly a high enough number were using the charitable givings as a way to try and make Bioware feel bad, when giving to charity shouldn't be used for ulterior motives.

And yet, it almost always is used for ulterior motives. Which is why criticizing the drive because it was used to raise awareness is almost as much of a joke as people asking for their money back.

In fact the number was so high and so much people demanded their money back that they had to close the charity side of it, release a statement saying they have to change the rules to stop this from happening again in the future, and mention that in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened before.

Actually, not quite. The drive was closed because the organizers of Child's Play felt that the charity was being associated with a certain movement too much. It speaks volumes about the people saying that, but it also speaks volumes about the organizers. Take the money, help the children, tell those people they are wrong and ignore them.

As for the last part, well, I don't believe it. People have never ignorantly asked for their money back from a charity? That's hilarious, a shame that people can be that stupid, but hilarious. 

This retake movement is becoming a bigger joke as the days pass.

Some people obviously haven't be taught that negative generalizations are a bad thing. 

Pretty much everyone who supports Retake has said whoever these people are, are a bunch of fools and have insulted everyone and discarded everything they Held the Line for in favor of the most arrogantly selfish reasons ever seen on this forum. 

In other words, people have used charities for ulterior motives in the past so it's totally ok to do it this time

Yes. It's how most charities work. It's how most donations work. Rare is money ever given for selfless reasons. Charities rely on exactly this kind of thing. 

Retake gets the conclusion to a series they desire, Child's Play gets a dump load of money. 

Everyone wins. 

Except, of course, those who can't take a form of protest being coordinated and peaceful. Would you prefer Child's Play not have the money and the donaters instead express their rage by sending offensive messages to the developer?

and I don't believe him when he says in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened to the charity either.

No, I don't believe no one has ever asked for their money back. I still don't condone it. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 23 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[txmn1016]

@The Night Mammoth

"Yes. It's how most charities work. It's how most donations work. Rare is money ever given for selfless reasons. Charities rely on exactly this kind of thing."

My thoughts exactly. It's not perfect. It's even a little morally ambiguous, but this is how the world works.

[Fruxie]

And I would love if we could keep the boards civil. No need to attack each other, I know emotions are raw at the moment, so this is the perfect time to get off the internet and wind down somewhere.

We're all in this together, no need for finger pointing or mud slinging. $80,000 for charity is nothing to be ashamed about.

Let me say again.

$80,000 for sick kids, so they can have toys, games and some joy.

$80,000 for sick kids, so they can have toys, games.

$80,000 for sick kids.

$80,000. <---- This. Is so fantastic I could nearly cry. If only people would rally together like this more often. This is good work. Hold your heads up high, be proud.

And Hold that Line.

[MandatoryDenial1]

Can anyone confirm that there is an actual connection between Penny Arcade and The Child's Play charity? I find it deeply disturbing that out of all the Charities out there the retake people chose a penny arcade founded one. How can anyone with an ounce of common sense not see that donating to a charity started by the industry itself was not a good idea.

[Dark Cider]

I'm sure it's the exception and not the rule, but I in no way condone the actions of the few who saught to retract their donations.  Don't let a few bad eggs color the good many people did by donating, even if some did so for all the wrong reasons.  Kids still benefitted, now people need to get back on track and hold the line.  Fight the good fight.

[DaringMoosejaw]

I enjoy how this is turning out. The Child's Play thing was an enormously popular effort that raised 80 grand for sick kids, and was nearly universally praised. Now, because of this and a vague citation of 'high' (I especially enjoy how they attached no percentage or even alluded to an actual number) number of refund requests, people are trying to frame it as if EVERYBODY who donated or even most of them demanded their money back once they 'won' and trying to turn it into a net negative.

[FadingPhil]

Well thats a non-story if ever i read one, parts of that article ( if you can call it that, its more of a blog?) dont even make sense.

[babachewie]

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect I said when this first started that people only did this to get something and not for these kids and once they didn't get it they would be exposed for what they really are. Looks like
I was right

Modifié par babachewie, 23 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[MetalCargo999]

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/

The fine folks at Forbes have reported on this issue as well.

[Fruxie]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I enjoy how this is turning out. The Child's Play thing was an enormously popular effort that raised 80 grand for sick kids, and was nearly universally praised. Now, because of this and a vague citation of 'high' (I especially enjoy how they attached no percentage or even alluded to an actual number) number of refund requests, people are trying to frame it as if EVERYBODY who donated or even most of them demanded their money back once they 'won' and trying to turn it into a net negative.

Indeed this. There is a lot of speculation here and I wish that would come to a stop. What is a 'high volume'? 5? 10? How many donators were there? Some 4000?

I like to think that most of the people that Donated to Child's Play because of this were concious of what they were doing.

babachewie wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect I said when this first started that people only did this to get something and not for these kids and once they didn't get it they would be exposed for what they really are. Looks like
I was right

 


I'm proud of the money I donated and the funds raised for Child's play. I can't see why anyone wouldn't be.

Modifié par Fruxie, 23 mars 2012 - 02:46 .

[txmn1016]

MandatoryDenial1 wrote...

Can anyone confirm that there is an actual connection between Penny Arcade and The Child's Play charity? I find it deeply disturbing that out of all the Charities out there the retake people chose a penny arcade founded one. How can anyone with an ounce of common sense not see that donating to a charity started by the industry itself was not a good idea.

I don't remember exactly, but it probably had something to do with the fact that it was founded by the gaming community and the cause was appealing to gamers.  Also, who doesn't want to give an xbox to a sick kid? Also, it should be noted that this got  A LOT bigger than anyone ever anticipated.  I'm sure if it came up, it was a non issue at the time.

[txmn1016]

babachewie wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect I said when this first started that people only did this to get something and not for these kids and once they didn't get it they would be exposed for what they really are. Looks like
I was right

Did you want a cookie???

[Quietness]

Fruxie wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I enjoy how this is turning out. The Child's Play thing was an enormously popular effort that raised 80 grand for sick kids, and was nearly universally praised. Now, because of this and a vague citation of 'high' (I especially enjoy how they attached no percentage or even alluded to an actual number) number of refund requests, people are trying to frame it as if EVERYBODY who donated or even most of them demanded their money back once they 'won' and trying to turn it into a net negative.

Indeed this. There is a lot of speculation here and I wish that would come to a stop. What is a 'high volume'? 5? 10? How many donators were there? Some 4000?

I like to think that most of the people that Donated to Child's Play because of this were concious of what they were doing.

Fighting chargebacks is very time intensive, and there's also all the book keeping checks you need to do when receiving one. Even something as small as 10-15 can cause delays and depenging on the rate of it PayPal can claim its "a high volume" ... I really dont like PayPal nothing more than a raketeering scam >.>

[txmn1016]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/

The fine folks at Forbes have reported on this issue as well.

They have been awesome.  And apparently they never sleep.  So thankful for the guys at Forbes.

[babachewie]

txmn1016 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect I said when this first started that people only did this to get something and not for these kids and once they didn't get it they would be exposed for what they really are. Looks like
I was right

Did you want a cookie???

yes....Yes I do.

[Quietness]

babachewie wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect I said when this first started that people only did this to get something and not for these kids and once they didn't get it they would be exposed for what they really are. Looks like
I was right

Good to see that the whole grouping everyone into a single catagoery is still a popular tactic.. /rollseyes