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[Tirranek]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

@Tirranek

You have never heard of channeling anger and frustration into a positive outlet? Thats what the charity drive was about, and honestly I think you are just making excuses for not donating.

Steady now. I don't need a reason to not give to a charity. Prior to all this I hadn't actually heard of Child's Play, and I certainly wasn't going to make an initial donation because I wanted to express my opinion concerning the ending of a videogame.

When I give to charities or collections, it's because I admire and support the aims of the organisation, that's it, and in my opinion that's all it should ever be.

Then all you're doing is disadvantaging the kids. In reality, people rarely give to charity unless they're rich or are backed up by a cause. That's just how it is. To deprive the children of all this money just because you don't believe it is moral to have another goal in mind, is selfish, self righteous and naive.

The people with causes are the ones that end up giving most to cahrity, not those who just want to help for the sake of helping. That's how it work in the real world, i'm sorry.

But the charity IS a cause, that's the whole point of it. They're set up so they can receieve donations from people who support their intentions. I realise that a lot of people do fundraising activites such as sponsered runs, skydives, eating fifty boiled eggs, playing that terrible Desert Bus game etc, but that's individuals doing something to raise money. This is giving money to a charity to show Bioware that the ending should be changed. There's a weird disconnect.

I find it odd that you can say I'm being selfish, self righteous and naive when it's arguably more selfish to support a cause for your own reasons, self righteous because the figures are used first and foremost as clout to support said reasons, and naive because at least some who donated thought they were essentially buying a new ending.

EDIT: The results of this have been good for CP, I'm not denying that. And even if the retake drive has been closed because of this, that's still a lot of money that's been raised for them, which is excellent for it's own sake, absolutely.

Modifié par Tirranek, 23 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[txmn1016]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

While I do not regret any donation I have made to Child's Play (with and without supporting Retake) I am starting to regret associating myself with the movement...

Me too... I think Child's Play made the right choice. The people who used the charity drive as justification for slandering Bioware are not the kind of people they need to be associated with. And the others, who donated because it was a good cause, can still donate anyway.

This has definitely been a sad turn of events. I also think that CP did the right thing in the long run.  I'm not ashamed to be part of the Retake charity, but I am deeply saddened by how things are being misconstrued.  Facts of life though.  Completely unvaoidable.  All I can do is keep politely answering the critics.  I'll keep doing that as long as I can because I think what the fund accomplished was nothing short of amazing.

[Clayless]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Yes. It's how most charities work. It's how most donations work. Rare is money ever given for selfless reasons. Charities rely on exactly this kind of thing. 

Retake gets the conclusion to a series they desire, Child's Play gets a dump load of money. 

Everyone wins. 

Except, of course, those who can't take a form of protest being coordinated and peaceful. Would you prefer Child's Play not have the money and the donaters instead express their rage by sending offensive messages to the developer?

and I don't believe him when he says in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened to the charity either.

No, I don't believe no one has ever asked for their money back. I still don't condone it. 

In other words, well it could've been worse we could've given them nothing and just have left it at posting destructive critisism like we were.

Boy if there was ever a time for that Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif this would be it.

[Fruxie]

Quietness wrote...

Fruxie wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I enjoy how this is turning out. The Child's Play thing was an enormously popular effort that raised 80 grand for sick kids, and was nearly universally praised. Now, because of this and a vague citation of 'high' (I especially enjoy how they attached no percentage or even alluded to an actual number) number of refund requests, people are trying to frame it as if EVERYBODY who donated or even most of them demanded their money back once they 'won' and trying to turn it into a net negative.

Indeed this. There is a lot of speculation here and I wish that would come to a stop. What is a 'high volume'? 5? 10? How many donators were there? Some 4000?

I like to think that most of the people that Donated to Child's Play because of this were concious of what they were doing.

Fighting chargebacks is very time intensive, and there's also all the book keeping checks you need to do when receiving one. Even something as small as 10-15 can cause delays and depenging on the rate of it PayPal can claim its "a high volume" ... I really dont like PayPal nothing more than a raketeering scam >.>

Time consuming, ok I can give you that. But my comment was more on the broad brush that paints 'everyone' as asking for their money back. This makes me sad. I would love to see actual numbers, until then I hold this mostly in speculation.

High Volume =/= everyone

[babachewie]

Fruxie wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I enjoy how this is turning out. The Child's Play thing was an enormously popular effort that raised 80 grand for sick kids, and was nearly universally praised. Now, because of this and a vague citation of 'high' (I especially enjoy how they attached no percentage or even alluded to an actual number) number of refund requests, people are trying to frame it as if EVERYBODY who donated or even most of them demanded their money back once they 'won' and trying to turn it into a net negative.

Indeed this. There is a lot of speculation here and I wish that would come to a stop. What is a 'high volume'? 5? 10? How many donators were there? Some 4000?

I like to think that most of the people that Donated to Child's Play because of this were concious of what they were doing.

babachewie wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect I said when this first started that people only did this to get something and not for these kids and once they didn't get it they would be exposed for what they really are. Looks like
I was right

 


I'm proud of the money I donated and the funds raised for Child's play. I can't see why anyone wouldn't be.

I think its pretty obvious form the Blog that most didnt do it to feel good about themselves. Most did it cause they wanted something. Now they want their money back. You can't see how anyone wouldnt be proud?...Do you not live in a society of people.

[Abirn]

Really attacking people who donate to charity. This is a new low, even for you biodron jackasses.

[txmn1016]

babachewie wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect I said when this first started that people only did this to get something and not for these kids and once they didn't get it they would be exposed for what they really are. Looks like
I was right

Did you want a cookie???

yes....Yes I do.

[recentio]

 I agree, OP. Such behavior is unconscionable. It amazes me that a small number of people have soiled the name of over 50,000. I bet that at most a few hundred dollars out of $80,000 are being asked for back but that blip is the only thing anyone can see anymore. Like the jerk who went to the FTC.
Thanks for ruining everything, whoever did that. Now Mass Effect will end with , , or  and you can look in the mirror and know exactly who's to blame.

Awful, awful, nigh inhuman behavior. Disgusting.

[Quietness]

Fruxie wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Fruxie wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I enjoy how this is turning out. The Child's Play thing was an enormously popular effort that raised 80 grand for sick kids, and was nearly universally praised. Now, because of this and a vague citation of 'high' (I especially enjoy how they attached no percentage or even alluded to an actual number) number of refund requests, people are trying to frame it as if EVERYBODY who donated or even most of them demanded their money back once they 'won' and trying to turn it into a net negative.

Indeed this. There is a lot of speculation here and I wish that would come to a stop. What is a 'high volume'? 5? 10? How many donators were there? Some 4000?

I like to think that most of the people that Donated to Child's Play because of this were concious of what they were doing.

Fighting chargebacks is very time intensive, and there's also all the book keeping checks you need to do when receiving one. Even something as small as 10-15 can cause delays and depenging on the rate of it PayPal can claim its "a high volume" ... I really dont like PayPal nothing more than a raketeering scam >.>

Time consuming, ok I can give you that. But my comment was more on the broad brush that paints 'everyone' as asking for their money back. This makes me sad. I would love to see actual numbers, until then I hold this mostly in speculation.

High Volume =/= everyone

I got that, but my point was a step beyond, that high volume = a incredibly small 

[Pelle6666]

Seriously!? Who the **** tries to get a refund from a charity?! That's low!

[txmn1016]

babachewie wrote...

Fruxie wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I enjoy how this is turning out. The Child's Play thing was an enormously popular effort that raised 80 grand for sick kids, and was nearly universally praised. Now, because of this and a vague citation of 'high' (I especially enjoy how they attached no percentage or even alluded to an actual number) number of refund requests, people are trying to frame it as if EVERYBODY who donated or even most of them demanded their money back once they 'won' and trying to turn it into a net negative.

Indeed this. There is a lot of speculation here and I wish that would come to a stop. What is a 'high volume'? 5? 10? How many donators were there? Some 4000?

I like to think that most of the people that Donated to Child's Play because of this were concious of what they were doing.

babachewie wrote...

http://penny-arcade....ake-mass-effect I said when this first started that people only did this to get something and not for these kids and once they didn't get it they would be exposed for what they really are. Looks like
I was right

 


I'm proud of the money I donated and the funds raised for Child's play. I can't see why anyone wouldn't be.

I think its pretty obvious form the Blog that most didnt do it to feel good about themselves. Most did it cause they wanted something. Now they want their money back. You can't see how anyone wouldnt be proud?...Do you not live in a society of people.

...what blog? 

If you want to know how people felt about donating, try talking to them.  They're over here--

http://social.biowar...index/9845819/1

[Jagri]

Divide and Conquer!

Even if it was unintentional PA has effectively took a small/unknown chunk out of the movement and without any need to provide evidence given the nature of Paypals confidentiality when it comes to payments and refunds. Guess we will never know how much will remain with Child's Play and how much supposely is a large amount of people asking for refunds.

Modifié par Jagri, 23 mars 2012 - 02:56 .

[MetalCargo999]

http://www.fullparagon.com/

This fund has been set up for everyone who loves Mass Effect in general and wants to give to charity without any ulterior motives. If you loved ME or hated it, this is where to go!

[rvgifford]

I'm not saying this didn't happen. PA wouldn't post that it did if it didn't. However . . . numbers. Be specific. I hate vague nomcomittal wordings like, "We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back." How many is a lot. For a charity, maybe 10 is a lot. 10 of the thousand plus donations is nothing.

Regardless of how many people have or have not asked for their money back, they are slime or idiots. It was very clear on the page what this was and what it was not. I have to believe this is a drop in the proverbial bucket. People who are that pathetic or that stupid have to be a minority or this isn't about the retake movement, but the sad state of humanity in general.

[SpideyKnight]

Yea this shouldn't be here, put it on facebook or the retake site.  It has ostensibly almost nothing to do with ME3 and particularly not the spoilers forum.  Juding from Tycho's post it didn't seem like a lot of people or that it was even that a big a deal.  Just something weird, unusual and new.  That they would rather not take part in.  Respect that.  Again though this isn't the place for this discussion.

[txmn1016]

rvgifford wrote...

I'm not saying this didn't happen. PA wouldn't post that it did if it didn't. However . . . numbers. Be specific. I hate vague nomcomittal wordings like, "We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back." How many is a lot. For a charity, maybe 10 is a lot. 10 of the thousand plus donations is nothing.

Regardless of how many people have or have not asked for their money back, they are slime or idiots. It was very clear on the page what this was and what it was not. I have to believe this is a drop in the proverbial bucket. People who are that pathetic or that stupid have to be a minority or this isn't about the retake movement, but the sad state of humanity in general.

The only thing I could truely not appreciate or respect about the PA article was the use of the word "high".  I felt like that was unnecessary.

[DaringMoosejaw]

babachewie wrote...

 I think its pretty obvious form the Blog that most didnt do it to feel good about themselves. Most did it cause they wanted something. Now they want their money back. You can't see how anyone wouldnt be proud?...Do you not live in a society of people.

So you've somehow extrapolated that 'most' people who donated to this thing want their money back? How'd you pull that off?

[txmn1016]

SpideyKnight wrote...

Yea this shouldn't be here, put it on facebook or the retake site.  It has ostensibly almost nothing to do with ME3 and particularly not the spoilers forum.  Juding from Tycho's post it didn't seem like a lot of people or that it was even that a big a deal.  Just something weird, unusual and new.  That they would rather not take part in.  Respect that.  Again though this isn't the place for this discussion.

Agreed.  Still waiting for a mod to shut this place down

Will keep answering questions until they get around to it.

[rvgifford]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...Demanding money back from a Charity sums up the Retake Mass Effect mentality perfectly.

Another asinine post. One could say your statement sums up the anti-retake opinion perfectly. Misinformed, ignorant postings. When people like you come in here and keep posting against the movement with such vicerol hate . . . it makes your own opinion, and its lack of importance, clear.

[jmarkows]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Boy if there was ever a time for that Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif this would be it.

Truer words were never spoken.

[blooregard]

Dridengx wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

First how do we know the people asking for their money back aren't plants? Or people that want to see the movement fail? Remember the shady stuff that went down with ACORN?

Now I'm not saying that is what is going on but we have no proof either way. It is something to question. The donate page is very clear and only an absolute moron wouldn't figure out it was a charity for sick kids and not to remake the ME 3 ending.
.

Well, not to start a fight but you are talking about the same people who threatened Bioware Employees, reported Bioware to the FTC, filed a complaint to the BBB, filed a lawsuit against Bioware. tried to have EA's phones flooded. Had people email EA, Edited Bioware Employee's wiki pages. lower amazon review scores, bombed metacritic scores, Did bomb threat thread, attacked Jennifer Hepler, threatened the lives of the PR department, Told Pro enders to commit suicide. I mean I could go on and on.. Not saying everyone on your side is like this BUT people on your side are a bit radical..

After knowing all that, is it stupid to think a 'plant' was involved or someone on your side goofed again?

Wait we did all THIS? No wonder IGNorance thinks we're psychos.

[The Night Mammoth]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Yes. It's how most charities work. It's how most donations work. Rare is money ever given for selfless reasons. Charities rely on exactly this kind of thing. 

Retake gets the conclusion to a series they desire, Child's Play gets a dump load of money. 

Everyone wins. 

Except, of course, those who can't take a form of protest being coordinated and peaceful. Would you prefer Child's Play not have the money and the donaters instead express their rage by sending offensive messages to the developer?

and I don't believe him when he says in 10 years nothing like this has ever happened to the charity either.

No, I don't believe no one has ever asked for their money back. I still don't condone it. 

In other words, well it could've been worse we could've given them nothing and just have left it at posting destructive critisism like we were.

Erm, well, yes, exactly. Anger directed at something constructive and positive.

[rvgifford]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

babachewie wrote...

 I think its pretty obvious form the Blog that most didnt do it to feel good about themselves. Most did it cause they wanted something. Now they want their money back. You can't see how anyone wouldnt be proud?...Do you not live in a society of people.

So you've somehow extrapolated that 'most' people who donated to this thing want their money back? How'd you pull that off?

The same way PA used the wording "high number" when I am sure they meant a small handful. Hyperbole and intentional misinformation. If it's not intentional, it's ignorant.

[Fruxie]

babachewie wrote...
 I think its pretty obvious form the Blog that most didnt do it to feel good about themselves. Most did it cause they wanted something. Now they want their money back. You can't see how anyone wouldnt be proud?...Do you not live in a society of people.

Well. Not proud of people asking for their money back. Obviously.

But it is speculation at this point how many or if anyone even is getting their money back. I would love 'actual' numbers, but that is something I don't think any of us will ever see. What was definitive is they are dealing with confused people, that are asking for their money back. Would love to know what paypal considers to be 'high volume'. If a charity site I was donating to suddenly went down without much of a warning I would wonder what happened. Where the money went. (And I did) Luckily all answers were provided here, and I just went "Ahhh. I see. That makes sense." Some people however, have a habit of jumping to conclusions without bothering to educate themselves on the matter. 

Perhaps I'm not like most people. Since I was able to get a job I have been giving to two charities, direct deposit from my bank account, $30 a month. It doesn't seem like much, but I have stuck with it. Through the times of plentiful and the meek times. There were days where I could have used some charity but I kept thinking to myself "It is only $30 this month." I don't do this because I think I'm going to get anything back, because I'm not, and while there are times I could have used some charity myself, I never expected anyone to give me anything.

I am saddened, more than anything, that Child's play were actually getting backlash. Can you imagine the person(s) that are sitting proudly at home right now going "Yeah. I showed those Retake people and cut off their outlet to Child's Play! I'm so awesome."

It makes me feel sick.

Yes. I am proud of those who donated to Child's Play and had the wherewithall to understand what their money was doing and where it was going. I am proud of the $80,000 in a little over a weeks time. It was incredible.

Modifié par Fruxie, 23 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[leondes1]

Stanley or any other mods out there. Please close this trend. This is.... I can't even count now how many times a flamebait trend like this has been opened like this since last night. Retake people, if you want to discuss it come back to our child's play trend. Quit the flaming and responding to troll postings.