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[The Night Mammoth]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Erm, well, yes, exactly. Anger directed at something constructive and positive.

And when it turns out that anger isn't actually going to get results, and instead is doing something stupid like helping sick children, demand money back!

Yes, that is stupid, we're all in agreement. 

Then try and defend against people who say doing it for ulterior motives isn't a good thing,

The motive is irrelevant. Charitable donations are almost never done without a motive. 

and claim that the co-founder has no proof and *puts on tinfoil hat* is trying to make you look bad deliberately.

Pfft, not me. I don't think saying it has never happened before is true, but I certainly can see why it was shut down. I don't agree with that reason, but there's no conspiracy.

This sums a lot of the posts here. Really you shouldn't be trying to defend this, just say how proud you are that you donated, which is a good thing, and say how disgusted you are at these people who demanded their money back.

I'll defend it if I think it's a good thing, which it is. 
Note, that I'm only defending that giving to charity with another motive in mind isn't as repugnant as some people say. 

I have said how idiotic it is to ask for a refund already. 

[Wolfva2]

Ok, why even link the 'Take back' movement to ANY charity to begin with? That sounds like a crass and cynical way to get people to sign your petition..."Oh, I saw this on facebook and I don't even know what Mass Effect is, but Childs play sounds like a great idea so I'll donate to it!" Hey, I think I'll start a petition to turn America into a dictatorship, oh yeah! And some of our donations will go to feeding starving children in Haiti! What, you want children to starve? Think of the children! Bleh. Movements should stand on their own; don't resort to cheap tricks.

Some people are claiming Penny Arcade is trying to 'spin' this by turning on...(cue heroic music) THE MOVEMENT. They claim no one, or just a small minority, are asking for donations back. Well, I've never seen or heard evidence in the over 10 years I've been reading Penny Arcade of them being duplitous. They've always said what they think, even been sued for it. They're not politicians after all. That, plus being a student of human nature, I can easily believe that a bunch of people demanded their money when they found out they weren't actually buying a new ending. People don't read signs, posts, or contracts. I think I'll take their word on it over some angry anonymous forum poster. Besides, they have nothing to gain by it. Logic folks. Try using it sometimes.

[Goroxx]

Is there any way - any way at all - to get a final accounting of where the RME charity drive's dollar amount is now, after the "large numbers" of people demanding refunds? I would like to know how much as been lost from the overall $80k and have that number published to the community so that we can make that amount up on our own as individual contributors.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Abirn wrote...

Really attacking people who donate to charity. This is a new low, even for you biodron jackasses.

Absolutely none of the donations to child's play were for charity.  Charity is selfless and in service of good will.

Absolutely no one who donated to Child's Play at the behest of the minority of this community did so out of charity.

They did so to force a corporation to change a computer game.  Not benevolence, like protecting the lives of people in Syria who are being murdered... even today.  Not selflessness, like donating to fight against cancer or illnesses.  Not in service of a general "good" like improving lives of sick children.

They did so because they were mad about a video game.

Then they demanded their "donated" money back. 

This was not about charity.  It was never about charity.

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 23 mars 2012 - 03:30 .

[txmn1016]

Well wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

Well wrote...

There maybe some twits that ask for it back but tell them to go to .....I donated and only some (insert swear words) would ask for it back.You need to stop using the broad brush.You got a problem with me.I am right here.

Hey, thanks for donating! 

It is a good cause.I am furious right now.This a game.Those kids are real.Anyone that would do something like ask for the money back from helping folks.There is no excuse.

One of our bigger donators (sp?!?!) made a pretty compelling argument.  So I'm not going to argue with people that want their money back for whatever reason.  I'll just say that it has been quite a ride, and I've loved every second with you guys.

[babachewie]

txmn1016 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

SpideyKnight wrote...

Yea this shouldn't be here, put it on facebook or the retake site.  It has ostensibly almost nothing to do with ME3 and particularly not the spoilers forum.  Juding from Tycho's post it didn't seem like a lot of people or that it was even that a big a deal.  Just something weird, unusual and new.  That they would rather not take part in.  Respect that.  Again though this isn't the place for this discussion.

Agreed.  Still waiting for a mod to shut this place down

Will keep answering questions until they get around to it.

Yeah lets just put it on their site so they can spin it their way...

Really? After my virtual cookie?

Sorry man. Could of used some virtual milk to wash it down. 

I may support kid's charities but I'm not a godd*mn saint.  Get it yourself.

.....I'll give you some mass effect 3 endings if you do.

[Foxhound2121]

blooregard wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

First how do we know the people asking for their money back aren't plants? Or people that want to see the movement fail? Remember the shady stuff that went down with ACORN?

Now I'm not saying that is what is going on but we have no proof either way. It is something to question. The donate page is very clear and only an absolute moron wouldn't figure out it was a charity for sick kids and not to remake the ME 3 ending.
.

Well, not to start a fight but you are talking about the same people who threatened Bioware Employees, reported Bioware to the FTC, filed a complaint to the BBB, filed a lawsuit against Bioware. tried to have EA's phones flooded. Had people email EA, Edited Bioware Employee's wiki pages. lower amazon review scores, bombed metacritic scores, Did bomb threat thread, attacked Jennifer Hepler, threatened the lives of the PR department, Told Pro enders to commit suicide. I mean I could go on and on.. Not saying everyone on your side is like this BUT people on your side are a bit radical..

After knowing all that, is it stupid to think a 'plant' was involved or someone on your side goofed again?

Wait we did all THIS? No wonder IGNorance thinks we're psychos.

You are ALWAYS, ALWAYS going to have people on the fringe, in absolutely any like-minded group. I bet you the extreme stuff on there was committed by less than twenty people, period.

I know about the FTC guy and I read a few threads asking about suing bioware as well as saw all the metacritic/amazon reviews but seriously...a BOMB threat...and now people are being douchecopters and demanding refunds from child's play?. Man IGNorance is going to have a field day with this.

A "Bomb thread" is a lot different than a Bomb threat.

Retake movement has been peaceful. Every thread they control and every website/blog under their power has been peaceful, shows love for Bioware, and has never attacked anyone. There has never been an official statement to promote such things.

The only attacks I have seen is at them.

Retake movement works hard to prevent people such acts and to keep the discussion civil. If anything, it does a great service to Bioware and the forums for trying to calm down such people and remove them.

What the general public does on its free time has nothing to do with the RTM. Go blame Obama on that if you looking for scapegoats for people changing wikipedia.

[jmarkows]

babachewie wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

SpideyKnight wrote...

Yea this shouldn't be here, put it on facebook or the retake site.  It has ostensibly almost nothing to do with ME3 and particularly not the spoilers forum.  Juding from Tycho's post it didn't seem like a lot of people or that it was even that a big a deal.  Just something weird, unusual and new.  That they would rather not take part in.  Respect that.  Again though this isn't the place for this discussion.

Agreed.  Still waiting for a mod to shut this place down

Will keep answering questions until they get around to it.

Yeah lets just put it on their site so they can spin it their way...

Really? After my virtual cookie?

Sorry man. Could of used some virtual milk to wash it down. 

If you give a Turian a coookie...

[txmn1016]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Really attacking people who donate to charity. This is a new low, even for you biodron jackasses.

Absolutely none of the donations to child's play were for charity.  Charity is selfless and in service of good will.

Absolutely no one who donated to Child's Play at the behest of this community did so out of charity.

They did so to force a corporation to change a computer game.  Not benevolence, like protecting the lives of people in Syria who are being murdered... even today.  Not selflessness, like donating to fight against cancer or illnesses.  Not in service of a general "good" like improving lives of sick children.

They did so because they were mad about a video game.

Then they demanded their "donated" money back. 

This was not about charity.  It was never about charity.

Go read the thread and ask people why they donated if you care so much.  I assume you do from your statement.  But I assume you don't care enough to actually talk to people who donated about it.  Anyways, there's the link if you want to know.

http://social.biowar...index/9845819/1

[Belhawk]

i am not surprised, people read what they want to see, not what is actually written.

[txmn1016]

babachewie wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

SpideyKnight wrote...

Yea this shouldn't be here, put it on facebook or the retake site.  It has ostensibly almost nothing to do with ME3 and particularly not the spoilers forum.  Juding from Tycho's post it didn't seem like a lot of people or that it was even that a big a deal.  Just something weird, unusual and new.  That they would rather not take part in.  Respect that.  Again though this isn't the place for this discussion.

Agreed.  Still waiting for a mod to shut this place down

Will keep answering questions until they get around to it.

Yeah lets just put it on their site so they can spin it their way...

Really? After my virtual cookie?

Sorry man. Could of used some virtual milk to wash it down. 

I may support kid's charities but I'm not a godd*mn saint.  Get it yourself.

.....I'll give you some mass effect 3 endings if you do.

LIES

[Abirn]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Really attacking people who donate to charity. This is a new low, even for you biodron jackasses.

Absolutely none of the donations to child's play were for charity.  Charity is selfless and in service of good will.

Absolutely no one who donated to Child's Play at the behest of the minority of this community did so out of charity.

They did so to force a corporation to change a computer game.  Not benevolence, like protecting the lives of people in Syria who are being murdered... even today.  Not selflessness, like donating to fight against cancer or illnesses.  Not in service of a general "good" like improving lives of sick children.

They did so because they were mad about a video game.

Then they demanded their "donated" money back. 

This was not about charity.  It was never about charity.

According to you no dontation to charity in the history of the world was ever given out of charity.  Even if its as simple as making yourself feel better its all a selfish act.  Every corporation that donates to charity doesn't do it to be nice they do it for good PR.  Everyone who donates for tax reasons is doing so for selfish reasons.  According to you, there is no such thing as charity.  

[saracen16]

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

How can possibly not know that this was meant for charity that was excatly the point, not giving money to Bioware to pay for an ending.  

You people who are demanding money back should be ashamed of yourself, have you no sense of decensy or sense of honor ??

This does not reflect the retake movement and I hope people agree with me on this,

I also encourage people too donate anyway because it`s a good case.

UPDATE link to statement by Penny Arcade: penny-arcade.com/2012/03/21/childs-play-and-retake-mass-effect

UPDATE 2 : I`m out consider me longer a part of the movement 

There are people who want their money back?!

Wow... this further proves that people are emotionally blackmailing BioWare and not actually donating for a good cause. I'd donate just to ****** those retakers off right now, especially those who have treated this as a means to blackmail a company.

[babachewie]

txmn1016 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

SpideyKnight wrote...

Yea this shouldn't be here, put it on facebook or the retake site.  It has ostensibly almost nothing to do with ME3 and particularly not the spoilers forum.  Juding from Tycho's post it didn't seem like a lot of people or that it was even that a big a deal.  Just something weird, unusual and new.  That they would rather not take part in.  Respect that.  Again though this isn't the place for this discussion.

Agreed.  Still waiting for a mod to shut this place down

Will keep answering questions until they get around to it.

Yeah lets just put it on their site so they can spin it their way...

Really? After my virtual cookie?

Sorry man. Could of used some virtual milk to wash it down. 

I may support kid's charities but I'm not a godd*mn saint.  Get it yourself.

.....I'll give you some mass effect 3 endings if you do.

LIES

Aww dang it! Fool you once right. 

[ZLurps]

Ravennus wrote...

You know what makes ME sick?

That the media, forum trolls, and even the founders of Child's Play (Penny Arcade) are trying to spin this in a way that discredits all the amazing work we did.

80k! For kids!


People asking for refunds on donations? I don't believe this for a second, and if it's true... it's a tiny minority. The vast majority knew Child's Play was the true cause and we just wanted a positive outlet for our frustrations while giving back to a cause we care about.

The thing is "loyal fans" isn't group that really have any power to influence things for one way or another. What you did got ordinary Jane and Joe involved and that's... from some perspective that can be seen problematic. Actually, even I'm not one of Retakers, I applaud for you because of that.

I can totally see why ordinary Jane and Joe might NOT want to be active in this community, I even though if they were beeing more active we might not be in this mess at all.

[Foxhound2121]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Really attacking people who donate to charity. This is a new low, even for you biodron jackasses.

Absolutely none of the donations to child's play were for charity.  Charity is selfless and in service of good will.

Absolutely no one who donated to Child's Play at the behest of the minority of this community did so out of charity.

They did so to force a corporation to change a computer game.  Not benevolence, like protecting the lives of people in Syria who are being murdered... even today.  Not selflessness, like donating to fight against cancer or illnesses.  Not in service of a general "good" like improving lives of sick children.

They did so because they were mad about a video game.

Then they demanded their "donated" money back. 

This was not about charity.  It was never about charity.

And you have zero proof. Your words are not fact. 

Go ahead and link Penny Arcade or a news article and I will gladly show you how your making up wild assertions.

[RogueBot]

DinoSteve wrote...

if this is true

I'm out, I'm done with retake

... Really? I'm not even part of this "retake" movement, but every group of people has bad apples.

I can tell you're not associated with any particular political party.

[Vaktathi]

saracen16 wrote...

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

How can possibly not know that this was meant for charity that was excatly the point, not giving money to Bioware to pay for an ending.  

You people who are demanding money back should be ashamed of yourself, have you no sense of decensy or sense of honor ??

This does not reflect the retake movement and I hope people agree with me on this,

I also encourage people too donate anyway because it`s a good case.

UPDATE link to statement by Penny Arcade: penny-arcade.com/2012/03/21/childs-play-and-retake-mass-effect

UPDATE 2 : I`m out consider me longer a part of the movement 

There are people who want their money back?!

Wow... this further proves that people are emotionally blackmailing BioWare and not actually donating for a good cause. I'd donate just to ****** those retakers off right now, especially those who have treated this as a means to blackmail a company.

Thanks for taking the time to *not* reading the thread and iautomatically assuming it was anything *but* an insignificant number of anonymous idiots.

[Quietness]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Really attacking people who donate to charity. This is a new low, even for you biodron jackasses.

Absolutely none of the donations to child's play were for charity.  Charity is selfless and in service of good will.

Absolutely no one who donated to Child's Play at the behest of the minority of this community did so out of charity.

They did so to force a corporation to change a computer game.  Not benevolence, like protecting the lives of people in Syria who are being murdered... even today.  Not selflessness, like donating to fight against cancer or illnesses.  Not in service of a general "good" like improving lives of sick children.

They did so because they were mad about a video game.

Then they demanded their "donated" money back. 

This was not about charity.  It was never about charity.

I am sorry i donated to make myself feel better after how crappy i was feeling, as with many other people , it was an effort to turn all the bad emotions into something good. 

[Aurica]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Absolutely none of the donations to child's play were for charity.  Charity is selfless and in service of good will.

Absolutely no one who donated to Child's Play at the behest of the minority of this community did so out of charity.

They did so to force a corporation to change a computer game.  Not benevolence, like protecting the lives of people in Syria who are being murdered... even today.  Not selflessness, like donating to fight against cancer or illnesses.  Not in service of a general "good" like improving lives of sick children.

They did so because they were mad about a video game.

Then they demanded their "donated" money back. 

This was not about charity.  It was never about charity.

Even though I think its really messed up to ask for a refund from Charity.  I agree with you. I feel that dragging a charity into our fight seems to take away the movement's credibility.

[babachewie]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Really attacking people who donate to charity. This is a new low, even for you biodron jackasses.

Absolutely none of the donations to child's play were for charity.  Charity is selfless and in service of good will.

Absolutely no one who donated to Child's Play at the behest of the minority of this community did so out of charity.

They did so to force a corporation to change a computer game.  Not benevolence, like protecting the lives of people in Syria who are being murdered... even today.  Not selflessness, like donating to fight against cancer or illnesses.  Not in service of a general "good" like improving lives of sick children.

They did so because they were mad about a video game.

Then they demanded their "donated" money back. 

This was not about charity.  It was never about charity.

And you have zero proof. Your words are not fact. 

Go ahead and link Penny Arcade or a news article and I will gladly show you how your making up wild assertions.

Actually It wasn't about charity. It really was about buying a new ending using sick kids as a bargining tool. Its sad. But there you have it......scum.....finds a uh...way.    

Modifié par babachewie, 23 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[ZLurps]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Really attacking people who donate to charity. This is a new low, even for you biodron jackasses.

Absolutely none of the donations to child's play were for charity.  Charity is selfless and in service of good will.

Absolutely no one who donated to Child's Play at the behest of the minority of this community did so out of charity.

They did so to force a corporation to change a computer game.  Not benevolence, like protecting the lives of people in Syria who are being murdered... even today.  Not selflessness, like donating to fight against cancer or illnesses.  Not in service of a general "good" like improving lives of sick children.

They did so because they were mad about a video game.

Then they demanded their "donated" money back. 

This was not about charity.  It was never about charity.

Assuming you were correct charities BioWare organised happened only because they wanted to manipulate the masses to buy their products?

If so, are you okay with that?

[Fruxie]

I'm beginning to dislike threads such as these. Evidence is spotty at best. All we have to go on is what Penny Arcade/Paypal's definition of 'high volume' is. *takes the broad paintbrush in her hand and throws it to the next universe* There, that solves /that/ problem.

Please don't pander to this sort of thread. One that is based speculation. The more this thread exists the more people are trickling in and assuming that that OP is truth without reading any of the other comments. Move on to better brighter threads if you want to make a difference and if you want to Hold that Line!

[Shadowfire67]

Can I has my moneyz back plox?!!11oneone!1one!

[Quietness]

babachewie wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Really attacking people who donate to charity. This is a new low, even for you biodron jackasses.

Absolutely none of the donations to child's play were for charity.  Charity is selfless and in service of good will.

Absolutely no one who donated to Child's Play at the behest of the minority of this community did so out of charity.

They did so to force a corporation to change a computer game.  Not benevolence, like protecting the lives of people in Syria who are being murdered... even today.  Not selflessness, like donating to fight against cancer or illnesses.  Not in service of a general "good" like improving lives of sick children.

They did so because they were mad about a video game.

Then they demanded their "donated" money back. 

This was not about charity.  It was never about charity.

And you have zero proof. Your words are not fact. 

Go ahead and link Penny Arcade or a news article and I will gladly show you how your making up wild assertions.

Actually It wasn't about charity. It really was about buying a new ending using sick kids as a bargining tool. Its sad. But there you have it......scum.....finds a uh...way.    

This again is an attempt to group all of us into a single catagoery with the incredibly small bad element. Please take the time to review the charity thread. Almost all of us were using this to channel the bad into good.