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[tjmax]

rhyddhau wrote...

Maybe it was the insult of being rejected by the charity because they didn't want to be associated with the movement due to a few bad apples?

There is the real issue. 

A chairity IS a cause in and of its self. When people started assosiating 2 two its an issue. I cant blame them to want to cut the ties.

The drive was made of the purest intentions, when people twist those intentions to fit an agenda, its a problem.


This thread should be shut down since its not ME3 releated.

[HenchxNarf]

Vaktathi wrote...

 

HenchxNarf wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...
The term "high" != majority. Aside from being more than what they are normally used to dealing with, it doesn't tell us anything in regards to magnitude. Trying to insinuate that it's anything but a minority of those who donated based off of that statement is...silly. 

No, but the term high means more than a few. If they had to say it that way, it had to have been pretty substantial.

 

Substantial also is a rather vague term. We can probably all agree that the terminology would infer a larger than normal number of issues CP is used to. As to estimates beyond that, and what "substantial" may mean in this case (if you're not used to dealing with it on more than a case by case basis, perhaps merely double digits would suffice? perhaps dozens? could it be hundreds? who knows?)

Either way, attempts to get money back or think that it was paying for a new ME3 ending does not appear to be reflective of the way that the majority of the Retake movement has regarded the issue on BSN, Facebook, or anywhere else. We had one dude get in an angry twitter convo with them over it, but more out of confusion over the reasoning for closing the chipin than anything else and didn't ask for his money back.

Agreed, but regardless, for them to use that term meant that it just wasn't a few and that's what's scary. That enough people demanded money back from a charity to get the founder to comment on high/low is...something else.

I don't fault CP for doing what they did. I understand why they did it.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 23 mars 2012 - 09:38 .

[Vaktathi]

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

and you ase that 5%/95% estimation on...what? Do you seriously think a majority of the people who donated asked for their money back, or anywhere near even a sizeable minority? 

HenchxNarf wrote...


Agreed, but regardless, for them to use that term meant that it just wasn't a few and that's what's scary. That enough people demanded money back from a charity to get the founder to comment on high/low is...something else. 

I don't fault CP for doing what they did. I understand why they did it.

 I don't fault them either, however it must be remember that their primary motivation was not a response to demands for returns or ill informed givers, but rather not wanting to be seen as taking sides or supporting anything but Child's Play. 

Modifié par Vaktathi, 23 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[Maria Caliban]

FemmeShep wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

I'm somewhat confused on this. So are you guys 100% sure that people asking for their money back, were asking for a refund because they didn't understand it was for charity and thought it was going towards a new ending?

You have a very feminine communication style. I almost attempted to answer your question.

Huh? 

Your indirect affiliative statement threw me.

No, we are not 100% sure. We're mostly guessing.

[FemmeShep]

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

I think it's really weird, that we are criticizing people for donating money, because they were motivated by a protest/movement. Are you saying that donations are no longer valid or are a good deed based solely on what motivated them to do so? So are people that donate to charities just to feel good about themselves, terrible for doing so? 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 23 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[DESTRAUDO]

Again only my troll processor can read that post. 

Iwillbeback wrote...

DESTRAUDO wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

All of this makes me sick.

This Child's play Charity slapped you guys across the face, damn right you should take that back.
IMO it was a stupid cause anyway.

I literally cannot process your post in the non troll detecting part of my brain. 

That's how I felt about the ending, I tried to give other people the same experience.
I think it worked, but yeah I don't give to charity.

[Paparob]

wtbusername wrote...

Paparob wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

if this is true

I'm out, I'm done with retake

You shouldn't let a small minority try to sour you. People here are trying to be reasonable, most are in fact, just bare with us as we try to sort out the jackasses.

We’ve also been contacted by PayPal due to a high number of people asking for their donations back. This is in addition to readers who simply couldn’t understand how this was connected to Child’s Play’s mission. We were dealing with a lot of very confused people, more every day, and that told us we had a problem.

That, does not sound like a minority.

It's time to face the truth.

I'm not going to be demoralized by people with negative intentions. I'm saying you specifically, but just in general with the type of people who try to get a refund from a charity. Quite frankly its sad people let others get to them like that. And as for PA saying it, I'm don't think they're lying I don't care if they are, I just think its a bit unfornate the drive had to end.

[Tirranek]

rhyddhau wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

Delicious trolling. More please!

Numbers might be off, but this doesn't seem like a troll to me. It seems like a perfectly legitimate opinion to have.

[piemanz]

I'm not a retaker but this thread is kinda wrong. A lot of money was raised for a good charity and as with anything, a minority of people are douchebags.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I don't think it was ever about "hiding behind" it was about being taken seriously

and srlsy I don't want to be associated with people who ask for their money back from a charity

Modifié par DinoSteve, 23 mars 2012 - 09:43 .

[HenchxNarf]

Tirranek wrote...

rhyddhau wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

Delicious trolling. More please!

Numbers might be off, but this doesn't seem like a troll to me. It seems like a perfectly legitimate opinion to have.

This

[rhyddhau]

Fantastic hyperbolic irrationality! Ad hominem at its finest!

Modifié par rhyddhau, 23 mars 2012 - 09:47 .

[Kraykan82]

Vaktathi wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

and you ase that 5%/95% estimation on...what? Do you seriously think a majority of the people who donated asked for their money back, or anywhere near even a sizeable minority? 

I'm basing that % on what I have encountered on these boards, on twitter and facebook.

There has been 1 guy who has had a civil conversation with me about the ending. Looking at things from multiple perspectives.

I stand by my statement, hiding behind a charity is wrong. The money raised is admirable, I'm not knocking that - but do it for the right reasons.

Modifié par Kraykan82, 23 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[Tazzmission]

FemmeShep wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

in this case yes because lets be honest this only happened because people were so much in a uproar about the endings they had to hide behind sick kids knowing they needed it

ever since both bioware a cp said your money wont go to a new ending people demanded there money back

im sorry if i sound rude but those people who ask for that back imo are selfish and frankly the biggest middle figner to give



this isnt about me being a fan of mass effect or being a gamer im offended as a human being that people will resort to that because they feel they are more important

apparently people call me a troll because i dont agree with them fine w.e but at least i can sleep at night knowing i dont have to put myself first before people in need

Modifié par Tazzmission, 23 mars 2012 - 09:44 .

[Nyila]

piemanz wrote...

I'm not a retaker but this thread is kinda wrong. A lot of money was raised for a good charity and as with anything, a minority of people are douchebags.

Agreed.

[tjmax]

FemmeShep wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

Donating in protest is not the issue. but showcasing those donations like a picket sign waving it around saying, "look at what we did in protest of you." is an issue. thats what started to happen.

[piemanz]

DinoSteve wrote...

I don't think it was ever about "hiding behind" it was about being taken seriously

I think it was a little bit of trying to guilt trip Bioware too, either way there are much worse ways to get a point across than raising money for kids.

Modifié par piemanz, 23 mars 2012 - 09:44 .

[FemmeShep]

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

in this case yes because lets be honest this only happened because people were so much in a uproar about the endings they had to hide behind sick kids knowing they needed it

ever since both bioware a cp said your money wont go to a new ending people demanded there money back

im sorry if i sound rude but those people who ask for that back imo are selfish 

this isnt about me being a fan of mass effect or being a gamer im offended as a human being that people will resort to that because they feel they are more important

So..

And people only donate to charities during the holiday, because it's the holiday. How does this invalidate the donation? 

[Vaktathi]

Tirranek wrote...

rhyddhau wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

Delicious trolling. More please!

Numbers might be off, but this doesn't seem like a troll to me. It seems like a perfectly legitimate opinion to have.

Based on what information proving or supporting an assertion that a majority of the take-back movement are these "selfish entitles ****s". 

[HenchxNarf]

tjmax wrote...



Donating in protest is not the issue. but showcasing those donations like a picket sign waving it around saying, "look at what we did in protest of you." is an issue. thats what started to happen.

I said this, and have been trying to say this and got called a troll. But IA.

[DESTRAUDO]

I dont think that is what they are saying.

Let us flip the proverbial script.



Lets say  i want you to shave your head.

I start a donation drive to a childrens charity to promote the idea that you should shave your head. 


This can be considered to put public leverage on you to shave your head by creating a connection between you shaving your head and sick kids getting money. 

 

FemmeShep wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

[FemmeShep]

tjmax wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

Donating in protest is not the issue. but showcasing those donations like a picket sign waving it around saying, "look at what we did in protest of you." is an issue. thats what started to happen.

Okay, I can see where that would be wrong. But let's be real here. You guys are  basically labeling every single person that donated to this cause, as acting in this manner.

I would say that is rather unfair. 

[rhyddhau]

Kraykan82 wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

and you ase that 5%/95% estimation on...what? Do you seriously think a majority of the people who donated asked for their money back, or anywhere near even a sizeable minority? 

I'm basing that % on what I have encountered on these boards, on twitter and facebook.

There has been 1 guy who has had a civil conversation with me about the ending. Looking at things from multiple perspectives.

I stand by my statement, hiding behind a charity is wrong. The money raised is admirable, I'm not kncoking that - but do it for the right reasons.

Who are you to say why hundreds of people donated money? Who are you to say it's the majority asking for their money back because they aren't getting their endings?

Oh, just because it supports your own opinion. Let's just keep lying, shall we?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Kraykan82 wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

and you ase that 5%/95% estimation on...what? Do you seriously think a majority of the people who donated asked for their money back, or anywhere near even a sizeable minority? 

I'm basing that % on what I have encountered on these boards, on twitter and facebook.

There has been 1 guy who has had a civil conversation with me about the ending. Looking at things from multiple perspectives.

I stand by my statement, hiding behind a charity is wrong. The money raised is admirable, I'm not knocking that - but do it for the right reasons.

I'll repeat

I don't think it was ever about "hiding behind" it was about being taken seriously, people said we were spoiled we wanted to show we were not, it was never about "hiding"

[FemmeShep]

DESTRAUDO wrote...

I dont think that is what they are saying.

Let us flip the proverbial script.



Lets say  i want you to shave your head.

I start a donation drive to a childrens charity to promote the idea that you should shave your head. 


This can be considered to put public leverage on you to shave your head by creating a connection between you shaving your head and sick kids getting money. 

 

FemmeShep wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

I highly doubt BioWare feels the pressue to change their ending because 80k was donated to a Children's charity.

The way I see it, 50,000 people could sign an e-petition (a pretty useless affair), or they could donate their money to a charity. The latter is at least productive, and the end result is the same.

But oh well, I guess I just don't agree with those that are angry about this. I think anyone that donated to this charity, regardless of their motivation, still donated their money away knowing it was going to a good cause. 

I'm out. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 23 mars 2012 - 09:48 .