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[HenchxNarf]

rhyddhau wrote...

Who are you to say why hundreds of people donated money? Who are you to say it's the majority asking for their money back because they aren't getting their endings?

Oh, just because it supports your own opinion. Let's just keep lying, shall we?

Because the co-founder of CP said that a HIGH NUMBER of people were wanting their money back, which makes it seem like it's not just a few, but maybe close to the majority.

It's not that he's lying, and you are overreacting.

[Vaktathi]

Tazzmission wrote...

ever since both bioware a cp said your money wont go to a new ending people demanded there money back

Neither Bioware nor CP made any such statements, primarily because, for the majority of us, that wasn't something that needed stating, I'm still trying to figure out how anyone thought that money was going to anything but a charitable organization. It was fairly clear where that money was going, nobody set it up so as to look like it was ever going to go to making new ME content. 

I imagine requests for returns probably only happened once they learned to read after following through on some link too fast, or they were misinformed as to the reason for the Chipin's shutdown (as the site was unavailable for a time and no explanation available). 

Modifié par Vaktathi, 23 mars 2012 - 09:51 .

[Kraykan82]

DinoSteve wrote...

I don't think it was ever about "hiding behind" it was about being taken seriously

and srlsy I don't want to be associated with people who ask for their money back from a charity

I think the problem you have, is that people are using the charity factor to legitimise a personal complaint about how a videogame series has concluded.

You may share that view with a lot of people, but it is none the less an opinion.

Raising money for a charity does not change this fact, nor make it any more valid than the opinion of someone who liked the ending.

I admire that you take the stance of not being associated with these people, because it truly is sick.

If you want to raise money for charity, do it because you want to, not because you think the payoff will benefit you in some way, in this case - getting a different ending.

[Foxhound2121]

Kraykan82 wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

and you ase that 5%/95% estimation on...what? Do you seriously think a majority of the people who donated asked for their money back, or anywhere near even a sizeable minority? 

I'm basing that % on what I have encountered on these boards, on twitter and facebook.

There has been 1 guy who has had a civil conversation with me about the ending. Looking at things from multiple perspectives.

I stand by my statement, hiding behind a charity is wrong. The money raised is admirable, I'm not knocking that - but do it for the right reasons.

You're just making random assertions. Child's Play had a mission statement of removing the negative stereotype of gamers in general. The fact they they decided to make a blanket policy on entire collective groups is their own decision.

Pretending that anyone was hiding behind them is absolutely false and your own word for anyone silly enough to believe it.

[Bon3zz1001]

I can't believe people are honestly trying to get their money back. Especially when it's from a CHARITY. If they didn't want to donate to begin with, then they shouldn't have in the first place.

[rhyddhau]

HenchxNarf wrote...

rhyddhau wrote...

Who are you to say why hundreds of people donated money? Who are you to say it's the majority asking for their money back because they aren't getting their endings?

Oh, just because it supports your own opinion. Let's just keep lying, shall we?

Because the co-founder of CP said that a HIGH NUMBER of people were wanting their money back, which makes it seem like it's not just a few, but maybe close to the majority.

It's not that he's lying, and you are overreacting.

And what is this mysterious "high number" out of the hundreds that donated? Out of the group that PA hates for irrational reasons and has insulted, despite $80,000 in donations?

[Tirranek]

Vaktathi wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

rhyddhau wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

Delicious trolling. More please!

Numbers might be off, but this doesn't seem like a troll to me. It seems like a perfectly legitimate opinion to have.

Based on what information proving or supporting an assertion that a majority of the take-back movement are these "selfish entitles ****s". 

I won't say majority this or minority that, but I've seen examples of all of the above and I think they deserve criticism.

[astrophyzcs]

Disgusting that people would want refunds of their charitable contributions when the only people who can be hurt by their doing so are a bunch of sick kids. They should be ashamed of themselves.

[Tazzmission]

FemmeShep wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

in this case yes because lets be honest this only happened because people were so much in a uproar about the endings they had to hide behind sick kids knowing they needed it

ever since both bioware a cp said your money wont go to a new ending people demanded there money back

im sorry if i sound rude but those people who ask for that back imo are selfish 

this isnt about me being a fan of mass effect or being a gamer im offended as a human being that people will resort to that because they feel they are more important

So..

And people only donate to charities during the holiday, because it's the holiday. How does this invalidate the donation? 

what do people get in return when they donate on a holiday?

they dont ask for anything and you know that

if you can honestly tell me people only donate to get something in return then yes im sorry i believe you may have a bad view on what chairty is

you either do it or you dont its that simple

you either feel something for someone or you dont

to use a chairty expecially sick kids as a shield to hide behind in order to get a video game ending changed is horrible and imo disgusting

you should only donate if you feel like you want to without expecting anything back other than you contributed to someone who needed it

[HenchxNarf]

rhyddhau wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

rhyddhau wrote...

Who are you to say why hundreds of people donated money? Who are you to say it's the majority asking for their money back because they aren't getting their endings?

Oh, just because it supports your own opinion. Let's just keep lying, shall we?

Because the co-founder of CP said that a HIGH NUMBER of people were wanting their money back, which makes it seem like it's not just a few, but maybe close to the majority.

It's not that he's lying, and you are overreacting.

And what is this mysterious "high number" out of the hundreds that donated? Out of the group that PA hates for irrational reasons and has insulted, despite $80,000 in donations?

They don't agree with the movement, but they never said they hate anyone.

PA =/= CP, even though PA founded CP. 

If the co-founder of the charity says there was a high number, i'm inclined to believe them.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 23 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[Iwillbeback]

DESTRAUDO wrote...


Again only my troll processor can read that post. 

Iwillbeback wrote...

DESTRAUDO wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

All of this makes me sick.

This Child's play Charity slapped you guys across the face, damn right you should take that back.
IMO it was a stupid cause anyway.

I literally cannot process your post in the non troll detecting part of my brain. 

That's how I felt about the ending, I tried to give other people the same experience.
I think it worked, but yeah I don't give to charity.

That's just silly, you're the one acting thick.
Its kinda ironic but I will let you away with it.

[HonestJoe]

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

Until the retake movement I had never even heard of the childsplay charity.

Since then I have donated twice. Once to show my support for the movement; and again not 5 minutes ago after hearing that the movement had ended.

I choose to believe that anyone demanding a refund is in the minority. As someone who believes that most people are basically good deep down; I can't imagine that anyone would think that would be an acceptable way to behave.
I'm very sorry that this very positive community movement has received so much negative publicity.

I'm also a little disgusted at just how many people have devoted so much of their own time to disparaging this movement, and the people who participated in it.

It's one thing to disagree, and express a dissenting opinion. But the vitriolic, hateful remarks coming from some people, seem way over the top.

If we are going to remonstrate the conduct of people during this 'Retake' movement; It is only fair that both sides are held to account.

[DESTRAUDO]

[quote]Vaktathi wrote...

[quote]Tazzmission wrote...
I'm still trying to figure out how anyone thought that money was going to anything but a charitable organization. It was fairly clear where that money was going, nobody set it up so as to look like it was ever going to go to making new ME content. 
[/quote]

Take your group. 

Select out all the people who believe in indoc theory.
From these select out those who also believe the galaxy was destroyed by the relay waves.

Ta da.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

blackangel209 wrote...

Maybe they're trying to switch donations to the Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good. God knows they needed it.

Indeed.

[Baronesa]

I'm appalled that people is doing that...

Really low

No human decency at all

[ichik]

Read the PA statement.

We have policies in place to deal with direct abuse: we don’t allow companies to use Child’s Play in order to sell more stuff. To that end we do not allow deals like “1 cent of every dollar goes to Child’s Play!” or whatever.

WAIT! What about Humble Bundles then? oO

Also, some1 even saw that ppl wanting their money back?

[ReaverT]

Hmm. I don't like either people asking to have a refund on their donation. But if we are going to be mad let's be fair. Child's Play say the don't want to accept more dontaions because they though their name was being too closely associated to ME3. Funny that they decided to tell that to RetakeME after two weeks and after they have raised more than 70.000 dollars. Are you telling me they wouldn't have come up to this after a few days from the start? Or even a week? I'm asking, not being sarcastic.

[rhyddhau]

HenchxNarf wrote...

rhyddhau wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

rhyddhau wrote...

Who are you to say why hundreds of people donated money? Who are you to say it's the majority asking for their money back because they aren't getting their endings?

Oh, just because it supports your own opinion. Let's just keep lying, shall we?

Because the co-founder of CP said that a HIGH NUMBER of people were wanting their money back, which makes it seem like it's not just a few, but maybe close to the majority.

It's not that he's lying, and you are overreacting.

And what is this mysterious "high number" out of the hundreds that donated? Out of the group that PA hates for irrational reasons and has insulted, despite $80,000 in donations?

They don't agree with the movement, but they never said they hate anyone.

PA =/= CP, even though PA founded CP. 

If the co-founder of the charity says there was a high number, i'm inclined to believe them.

This is a complete non-answer.

Anyway, without further concrete info this thread is pointless and just a breeding ground for ignorant uninformed opinions and ad hominem attacks. Not going to promote it's status on the forum as a page one thread.

[FemmeShep]

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

in this case yes because lets be honest this only happened because people were so much in a uproar about the endings they had to hide behind sick kids knowing they needed it

ever since both bioware a cp said your money wont go to a new ending people demanded there money back

im sorry if i sound rude but those people who ask for that back imo are selfish 

this isnt about me being a fan of mass effect or being a gamer im offended as a human being that people will resort to that because they feel they are more important

So..

And people only donate to charities during the holiday, because it's the holiday. How does this invalidate the donation? 

what do people get in return when they donate on a holiday?

they dont ask for anything and you know that

if you can honestly tell me people only donate to get something in return then yes im sorry i believe you may have a bad view on what chairty is

you either do it or you dont its that simple

you either feel something for someone or you dont

to use a chairty expecially sick kids as a shield to hide behind in order to get a video game ending changed is horrible and imo disgusting

you should only donate if you feel like you want to without expecting anything back other than you contributed to someone who needed it

But you are assuming that these people will be getting something in return, or that they believe they will get something in return for having donated.....

Do you really think the majority of those that donated believed by donating, they would get something in return as a direct result of their money? 

I don't know, maybe they did. The people I know that donated, just figured it was a worthy cause to donate towards on top of showing solidarity with those that were not happy with the ending. They did not believe by spending their money, it would go towards anything other then helping out kids.

Does this make them disgusting?

Modifié par FemmeShep, 23 mars 2012 - 10:00 .

[DESTRAUDO]

Also to be fair. I would not paint even the majority of people in retake as demanding their money back.
The phrase used by PA is a high number of people asking for money back. High number does not indicate a percentage. It only indicates the number is high relative to what you would expect as a baseline.

So if the baseline is say 5-10 people asking for their donation back, high could be 25-50. Simply put, the people taking back donations can only be viewed as a fractional minority of triple A class jerkholes. Probably a few percent of the retake movement. So unjust to colour the rest with the actions of a fractional percent.

[Tazzmission]

FemmeShep wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

in this case yes because lets be honest this only happened because people were so much in a uproar about the endings they had to hide behind sick kids knowing they needed it

ever since both bioware a cp said your money wont go to a new ending people demanded there money back

im sorry if i sound rude but those people who ask for that back imo are selfish 

this isnt about me being a fan of mass effect or being a gamer im offended as a human being that people will resort to that because they feel they are more important

So..

And people only donate to charities during the holiday, because it's the holiday. How does this invalidate the donation? 

what do people get in return when they donate on a holiday?

they dont ask for anything and you know that

if you can honestly tell me people only donate to get something in return then yes im sorry i believe you may have a bad view on what chairty is

you either do it or you dont its that simple

you either feel something for someone or you dont

to use a chairty expecially sick kids as a shield to hide behind in order to get a video game ending changed is horrible and imo disgusting

you should only donate if you feel like you want to without expecting anything back other than you contributed to someone who needed it

But you are assuming that these people will be getting something in return, or that they believe they will get something in return for having donated.....

Do you really think the majority of those that donated believed by donating, they would get something in return? 

yes i do  some even have said  this movment is similar to the civil rights and womens movment. if you dont believe me ask around because at the time people were so much in a rage they really felt if they did this bioware would cave

i have even said to people that money better go to chairty regardless and you can check my history if you dont believe me


now ever since both bioware and the chairty said what they said alot of fans have demanded there money back

do you think thats ok?

because they keep throwing this whole i am a consumer argument around so should that be a reason to say ok hey i know your kid has cancer but im a consumer so im more important?


trust me regarding cancer that hits really close to home with me

Modifié par Tazzmission, 23 mars 2012 - 10:03 .

[Ryokun1989]

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

That right there.

There's a handful of people protecting 'their movement' in a mostly civil manner, but they're kind of drowned out by the masses of class A *ssholes who call everyone that disagrees with them a troll, not real mass effect fans, idiots, etc; then go on to spew their vitriol on every comment section of every website that is even remotely related to Mass Effect -including ones created specifically for people who like the ending-, and then there's a bunch who go and harass BioWare and EA employees and bother Child's play for their money back, which was an incredibly ill-conceived idea in the first place.

You give to charity, because you think the charity is a worthy cause; not because you want to sway the general public to come around to your point of view. Perverse.


BioWare should have given every single one of this 'movement' a big middle finger for the same reason We Don't Negotiate With Terrorists.


'Entitled and whiny' doesn't even begin to cut it.

Modifié par Ryokun1989, 23 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[Paparob]

Personally I made a couple donations to help demonstrate that my hobby hasn't blinded me to the real world and its ills. I didn't expect it to sway the argument but I did want it to show I personally haven't lost sight of the big picture. I just want people to recognize I'm a functional human being that cares about other things too.

Modifié par Paparob, 23 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[DESTRAUDO]

ReaverT wrote...

Hmm. I don't like either people asking to have a refund on their donation. But if we are going to be mad let's be fair. Child's Play say the don't want to accept more dontaions because they though their name was being too closely associated to ME3. Funny that they decided to tell that to RetakeME after two weeks and after they have raised more than 70.000 dollars. Are you telling me they wouldn't have come up to this after a few days from the start? Or even a week? I'm asking, not being sarcastic.

Wow. Really. Attacking the charity. Amazing.

[Tirranek]

ReaverT wrote...

Hmm. I don't like either people asking to have a refund on their donation. But if we are going to be mad let's be fair. Child's Play say the don't want to accept more dontaions because they though their name was being too closely associated to ME3. Funny that they decided to tell that to RetakeME after two weeks and after they have raised more than 70.000 dollars. Are you telling me they wouldn't have come up to this after a few days from the start? Or even a week? I'm asking, not being sarcastic.

A lot more attention has been focused on this in the couple of weeks since the game's been out. Unless I'm mistaken, the Child's Play idea was an early development. Since then there have been quite a lot of changes, including Bioware reacting to all this and saying that future content is being considered as a direct response. When someone asks what precipitated this, someone will probably cite Child's Play as one of the forces behind it. It's only a guess, but once it's reached that point, it might be considered 'too close' to events.