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[Kraykan82]

So the goal of raising money for the cause was?

Please correct me if I'm wrong here:

1) Raise awareness that people are not happy with the ME3 endings.
2) Get bioware to change the ending
3) As a payoff for us getting our way, a lot of money gets donated to a good cause.

Can you see why I have a problem with this?

I cannot stress enough, money for a good cause IS a GOOD thing. I am not knocking that.
I am knocking the real reasons as to why it was raised. And in my opinion that is wrong.

--

For the last two years, I have trooped in Stormtrooper armour at various events to raise money for the Teenage Cancer Trust, Julias house and the RSPCA.

I do that for the following reasons.

1) To see the reactions I get from children and families when they see me in my armour
2) To help raise money
3) It gives me an excuse to dress up like an action figure.

There is no payoff, I expect nothing in return - neither do the other people who troop with me.

I have no doubt, a lot of people saw this movement as a means of contributing to something good.
But you cannot tell me, that you were not thinking that it might help influence bioware's decision on how to address the endings.

Anyhow, I think it's best I stay quiet from here on in.

Hopefully I'm not alone in this view.

Modifié par Kraykan82, 23 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[FemmeShep]

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

in this case yes because lets be honest this only happened because people were so much in a uproar about the endings they had to hide behind sick kids knowing they needed it

ever since both bioware a cp said your money wont go to a new ending people demanded there money back

im sorry if i sound rude but those people who ask for that back imo are selfish 

this isnt about me being a fan of mass effect or being a gamer im offended as a human being that people will resort to that because they feel they are more important

So..

And people only donate to charities during the holiday, because it's the holiday. How does this invalidate the donation? 

what do people get in return when they donate on a holiday?

they dont ask for anything and you know that

if you can honestly tell me people only donate to get something in return then yes im sorry i believe you may have a bad view on what chairty is

you either do it or you dont its that simple

you either feel something for someone or you dont

to use a chairty expecially sick kids as a shield to hide behind in order to get a video game ending changed is horrible and imo disgusting

you should only donate if you feel like you want to without expecting anything back other than you contributed to someone who needed it

But you are assuming that these people will be getting something in return, or that they believe they will get something in return for having donated.....

Do you really think the majority of those that donated believed by donating, they would get something in return? 

yes i do because at the time people were so much in a rage they really felt if they did this bioware would cave

i have even said to people that money better go to chairty regardless and you can check my history if you dont believe me


now ever since both bioware and the chairty said what they said alot of fans have demanded there money back

do you think thats ok?

because they keep throwing this whole i am a consumer argument around so should that be a reason to say ok hey i know your kid has cancer but im a consumer so im more important?


trust me regarding cancer that hits really close to home with me

To be fair, we don't know exactly what the numbers are PA is talking about. And I also don't think there is proof as to why ALL OF these people are asking for their money back. For all I know, they are asking for their money back because they are mad at PA. Although it is very sad to hear that some were confused by the movment. That some were actually asking how much money was needed to get a new ending. Like really? 

Not that I'm saying it's ever okay to ask for your money back from a charity, but I think we should be looking at both sides.

Anyways, you missed my edited post (my bad, I was late on editing). I guess the only thing I have left to add to this is: the friends i know that donated to this, did so because it was a worthy cause for kids, on top of showing solidarity with fans that didn't like the ending. They did not think by donating their money, it would make BioWare cave in, or that by spending that money it would go towards anything other than a good charity.

So i guess I would just say, I feel it's somewhat unfair to some that donated, that they are being lumped in with those that you have grievances with. That some of you are saying they were disgusting for having donated. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 23 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[Vaktathi]

Ryokun1989 wrote...



That right there.

There's a handful of people protecting 'their movement' in a mostly civil manner, but they're kind of drowned out by the masses of class A *ssholes who call everyone that disagrees with them a troll, not real mass effect fans, idiots, etc; then go on to spew their vitriol on every comment section of every website that is even remotely related to Mass Effect -including ones created specifically for people who like the ending-, and then there's a bunch who go and harass BioWare and EA employees and bother Child's play for their money back, which was an incredibly ill-conceived idea in the first place.

You give to charity, because you think the charity is a worthy cause; not because you want to sway the general public to come around to your point of view. Perverse.


BioWare should have given every single one of this 'movement' a big middle finger for the same reason We Don't Negotiate With Terrorists.


'Entitled and whiny' doesn't even begin to cut it.

I am assuming you're using my comment as justification for that? If I'm wrong or interpreting this wrong I apologize, I'm noticing my text but not properly quoted. However, if you did mean to quote me, can you point out where I called anyone any of those things you mention? All I did was question the validity juding 95% of the retake movement to be "selfish, entitled ****'s". 

One will notice that most of the people with retake banners are not using language like that here, or going off and making comparisons to terrorism or perversity. 

Modifié par Vaktathi, 23 mars 2012 - 10:13 .

[ReaverT]

DESTRAUDO wrote...

ReaverT wrote...

Hmm. I don't like either people asking to have a refund on their donation. But if we are going to be mad let's be fair. Child's Play say the don't want to accept more dontaions because they though their name was being too closely associated to ME3. Funny that they decided to tell that to RetakeME after two weeks and after they have raised more than 70.000 dollars. Are you telling me they wouldn't have come up to this after a few days from the start? Or even a week? I'm asking, not being sarcastic.

Wow. Really. Attacking the charity. Amazing.

I'm not attacking them . I just want to know why they took so long to inform the movement about this fundraiser's policy on accepting donations, and if they didn't were sure then why anyway accept the money 'till they knew for sure if they would  be associated or not to Retake ME3 movement.

Tirranek allready responded with a few good points, but since no oficial word comes out I'm in my right to ask.

[Tazzmission]

FemmeShep wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

in this case yes because lets be honest this only happened because people were so much in a uproar about the endings they had to hide behind sick kids knowing they needed it

ever since both bioware a cp said your money wont go to a new ending people demanded there money back

im sorry if i sound rude but those people who ask for that back imo are selfish 

this isnt about me being a fan of mass effect or being a gamer im offended as a human being that people will resort to that because they feel they are more important

So..

And people only donate to charities during the holiday, because it's the holiday. How does this invalidate the donation? 

what do people get in return when they donate on a holiday?

they dont ask for anything and you know that

if you can honestly tell me people only donate to get something in return then yes im sorry i believe you may have a bad view on what chairty is

you either do it or you dont its that simple

you either feel something for someone or you dont

to use a chairty expecially sick kids as a shield to hide behind in order to get a video game ending changed is horrible and imo disgusting

you should only donate if you feel like you want to without expecting anything back other than you contributed to someone who needed it

But you are assuming that these people will be getting something in return, or that they believe they will get something in return for having donated.....

Do you really think the majority of those that donated believed by donating, they would get something in return? 

yes i do because at the time people were so much in a rage they really felt if they did this bioware would cave

i have even said to people that money better go to chairty regardless and you can check my history if you dont believe me


now ever since both bioware and the chairty said what they said alot of fans have demanded there money back

do you think thats ok?

because they keep throwing this whole i am a consumer argument around so should that be a reason to say ok hey i know your kid has cancer but im a consumer so im more important?


trust me regarding cancer that hits really close to home with me

To be fair, we don't know exactly what the numbers are PA is talking about. And I also don't think there is proof as to why ALL OF these people are asking for their money back. For all I know, they are asking for their money back because they are mad at PA. Although it is very sad to hear that some were confused by the movment. That some were actually asking how much money was needed to get a new ending. Like really? 

Not that I'm saying it's ever okay to ask for your money back from a charity, but I think we should be looking at both sides.

Anyways, you missed my edited post (my bad, I was late on editing). I guess the only thing I have left to add to this is: the friends i know that donated to this, did so because it was a worthy cause for kids, on top of showing solidarity with fans that didn't like the ending. They did not think by donating their money, it would make BioWare cave in, or that by spending that money it would go towards anything other than a good charity.

So i guess I would just say, I feel it's somewhat unfair to some that donated, that they are being lumped in with those that you have grievances with. That some of you are saying they were disgusting for having donated. 

i sent you my proof and if you can honestly read that and tell me what im saying is wrong fine do so but dont try and say omg everything cant be trusted

[DESTRAUDO]

FemmeShep wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

I just don't agree with this. If someone wants to donate money as a sign of protest, what is wrong with this? People are still donating their money, knowing 100% it goes to charity. A good deed is still a good deed.

Are you saying charity auctions are people "hiding behind" wanting to get something? Since they only donate to get an item? 

in this case yes because lets be honest this only happened because people were so much in a uproar about the endings they had to hide behind sick kids knowing they needed it

ever since both bioware a cp said your money wont go to a new ending people demanded there money back

im sorry if i sound rude but those people who ask for that back imo are selfish 

this isnt about me being a fan of mass effect or being a gamer im offended as a human being that people will resort to that because they feel they are more important

So..

And people only donate to charities during the holiday, because it's the holiday. How does this invalidate the donation? 

what do people get in return when they donate on a holiday?

they dont ask for anything and you know that

if you can honestly tell me people only donate to get something in return then yes im sorry i believe you may have a bad view on what chairty is

you either do it or you dont its that simple

you either feel something for someone or you dont

to use a chairty expecially sick kids as a shield to hide behind in order to get a video game ending changed is horrible and imo disgusting

you should only donate if you feel like you want to without expecting anything back other than you contributed to someone who needed it

But you are assuming that these people will be getting something in return, or that they believe they will get something in return for having donated.....

Do you really think the majority of those that donated believed by donating, they would get something in return? 

yes i do because at the time people were so much in a rage they really felt if they did this bioware would cave

i have even said to people that money better go to chairty regardless and you can check my history if you dont believe me


now ever since both bioware and the chairty said what they said alot of fans have demanded there money back

do you think thats ok?

because they keep throwing this whole i am a consumer argument around so should that be a reason to say ok hey i know your kid has cancer but im a consumer so im more important?


trust me regarding cancer that hits really close to home with me

To be honest, I don't entirely trust PA when it comes to the numbers. And I also don't think there is proof as to why these people are asking for their money back. For all I know, they are asking for their money back because they are mad at PA.

Not that I'm saying it's ever okay to ask for your money back from a charity, but I think we should be looking at both sides.

Anyways, you missed my edited post (my bad, I was late on editing). I guess the only thing I have left to add to this is: the friends i know that donated to this, did so because it was a worthy cause for kids, on top of showing solidarity with fans that didn't like the ending. They did not think by donating their money, it would make BioWare cave in, or that by spending that money it would go towards anything other than a good charity.

So i guess I would just say, I feel it's somewhat unfair to some that donated, that they are being lumped in with those that you have grievances with. That some of you are saying they were disgusting for having donated. 

I trust PA when it comes to the numbers because they have not given any numbers.


Also they want their money back because they are mad at PA?

Did it ever occur to check to see if PA agreed with the cause before associating the movement with a charity directly attached to them. On the 12th and the 14th both Gabe and tycho posted their thoughs on the game and were positive about the endings.  How could they justify being mad at PA, feeling betrayed by PA when PA never gave them any support, and infact expressed views which indicated they were happy with the ending. 

Modifié par DESTRAUDO, 23 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[Erethrian]

Trackrtar wrote...

This just makes me sick.

[Vaktathi]

Tazzmission wrote...

i sent you my proof and if you can honestly read that and tell me what im saying is wrong fine do so but dont try and say omg everything cant be trusted

The links you set up earlier as "proof" were just restatements of what PA posted and some dude getting mad at the PA guys for shutting it down but not asking for his money back or anything. 

[HenchxNarf]

DESTRAUDO wrote...



I trust PA when it comes to the numbers because they have not given any numbers.


Also they want their money back because they are mad at PA?

Did it ever occur to check to see if PA agreed with the cause before associating the movement with a charity directly attached to them. On the 12th and the 14th both Gabe and tycho posted their thoughs on the game and were positive about the endings.  How could they justify being made at PA, felling betrayed by PA when PA never gave them any support, and infact expressed views which indicated they were happy with the ending. 

Gabe and Tycho are a part of PA. Why would they be mad at PA?

idg what you're trying to say here.

[Iwillbeback]

Erethrian wrote...

Trackrtar wrote...

This just makes me sick.

It isn't that sick.

[Ryokun1989]

Vaktathi wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...



That right there.

There's a handful of people protecting 'their movement' in a mostly civil manner, but they're kind of drowned out by the masses of class A *ssholes who call everyone that disagrees with them a troll, not real mass effect fans, idiots, etc; then go on to spew their vitriol on every comment section of every website that is even remotely related to Mass Effect -including ones created specifically for people who like the ending-, and then there's a bunch who go and harass BioWare and EA employees and bother Child's play for their money back, which was an incredibly ill-conceived idea in the first place.

You give to charity, because you think the charity is a worthy cause; not because you want to sway the general public to come around to your point of view. Perverse.


BioWare should have given every single one of this 'movement' a big middle finger for the same reason We Don't Negotiate With Terrorists.


'Entitled and whiny' doesn't even begin to cut it.

I am assuming you're using my comment as justification for that? If I'm wrong or interpreting this wrong I apologize, I'm noticing my text but not properly quoted. However, if you did mean to quote me, can you point out where I called anyone any of those things you mention? All I did was question the validity juding 95% of the retake movement to be "selfish, entitled ****'s". 

One will notice that most of the people with retake banners are not using language like that here, or going off and making comparisons to terrorism or perversity. 

Sorry, your quote accidentally got stuck in there; I removed it now.

And actually, yes they do, I mentioned some examples of what they say in my post. You don't negotiate with terrorists because if you do you're validating their terrorism. You don't negotiate with douchebags because you're validating their douchebaggery.
That's as far as you should take that 'comparison'.

[FemmeShep]

Alright let me be clear...

I didn't mean to say I don't trust PA. I just meant that we don't have all the facts (ie. the numbers, and of the people that asked for refunds, how many were asking for refunds simply because they thought it was going towards the ending). It's easy to get swept up in the hysteria and say: OMG mass amounts of people are asking for their money back, because the money wasn't going towards a new ending.

Also let me clarify my position a bit, as I think it's being misunderstood. I agree with you that think it was bad of people to start this just for the sake of trying to make their criticisms of the ending valid. I also think that anyone that donated to this, for the sole purpose of thinking that their money would go towards buying you a new ending, were also poor in character for doing so.

The only point I'm trying to make here is...a segment of the people that donated to this, donated out of good faith. They knew 100% their money was going to a good charity. They knew that their money being spent had nothing to do with the ending, and only donated because I. It was a good cause and II. to stand in solidarity with fans that didn't like the ending.

So my view is, to those that donated in good faith and didn't expect anything in return, we shouldn't be calling them disgusting and lumping them in with the rest. Not everyone donated to this for the reasons you guys are upset.

Either way, this entire thing is unfortunate. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 23 mars 2012 - 10:22 .

[RockSW]

get off your high horse

[DESTRAUDO]

I was replying to a post which suggested that the reason the people who wanted their money back wanted it back was because they were mad at PA. 

HenchxNarf wrote...

DESTRAUDO wrote...



I trust PA when it comes to the numbers because they have not given any numbers.


Also they want their money back because they are mad at PA?

Did it ever occur to check to see if PA agreed with the cause before associating the movement with a charity directly attached to them. On the 12th and the 14th both Gabe and tycho posted their thoughs on the game and were positive about the endings.  How could they justify being made at PA, felling betrayed by PA when PA never gave them any support, and infact expressed views which indicated they were happy with the ending. 

Gabe and Tycho are a part of PA. Why would they be mad at PA?

idg what you're trying to say here.

[pharsti]

Woke up. Read this... what the hell

Why would anyone do that, why even give it-

[ZodiEmish]

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

How can possibly not know that this was meant for charity that was excatly the point, not giving money to Bioware to pay for an ending.  

You people who are demanding money back should be ashamed of yourself, have you no sense of decensy or sense of honor ??

This does not reflect the retake movement and I hope people agree with me on this,

I also encourage people too donate anyway because it`s a good case.

UPDATE link to statement by Penny Arcade: penny-arcade.com/2012/03/21/childs-play-and-retake-mass-effect

UPDATE 2 : I`m out consider me longer a part of the movement 

I agree. anyone getting their money back from a charity is a sad thing. a very sad pathetic action.  Your all making us look bad.

I am also sorry that a few minor people caused you to quit the movement. This should be an example of what the actions a few can do.

[Tazzmission]

HonestJoe wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

Until the retake movement I had never even heard of the childsplay charity.

Since then I have donated twice. Once to show my support for the movement; and again not 5 minutes ago after hearing that the movement had ended.

I choose to believe that anyone demanding a refund is in the minority. As someone who believes that most people are basically good deep down; I can't imagine that anyone would think that would be an acceptable way to behave.
I'm very sorry that this very positive community movement has received so much negative publicity.

I'm also a little disgusted at just how many people have devoted so much of their own time to disparaging this movement, and the people who participated in it.

It's one thing to disagree, and express a dissenting opinion. But the vitriolic, hateful remarks coming from some people, seem way over the top.

If we are going to remonstrate the conduct of people during this 'Retake' movement; It is only fair that both sides are held to account.

i never seen you around before so ill be nice and explain the situation

the movment you are happy to be apart of has gone around on this board and stated they are like both the civil rights and womens movement


now alot ( not all) but alot have been saying pretty disturbing things like i want to take bioware to court for false advertising


some have even demanded people be fired from bioware

hijacking threads when someone is speaking possitivily

derailing threads that have nothing to do with negativity or the endings

they come to every section of this forum and say the same thing omg this or that isnt as bad as the me3 ending


its like ok we get it you dont like it pipe down already

they continue to do it and try playing the victim


i have been personally attacked by the movement just because i say something possitive they come in and call me a butt kisser?

now all of a sudden someone grows a pair and challenges them they are now the victim?



if you dont believe me fine feel free to dig through old  threads from the last month tops and if you dont want to feel free to check my post history because if theres one thing i never do i never lie

Modifié par Tazzmission, 23 mars 2012 - 10:27 .

[ShockedRabbit]

Dammit...asking for money back from a kids charity??? This is....low

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

you know what all this is bull****, who cares why it was raised as long as it was raised

srsly why does it matter

[Mbednar]

Philosophical ramifications of whether or not intentions and motivations matter when doing charitable work has been the subject of debate for probably CENTURIES. There is no right answer, just personal opinions. This is not productive.

[Tirranek]

FemmeShep wrote...

Alright let me be clear...

I didn't mean to say I don't trust PA. I just meant that we don't have all the facts (ie. the numbers, and of the people that asked refunds, how many were asking for refunds simply because they thought it was going towards the ending). It's easy to get swept up in the hysteria and say: OMG mass amounts of people are asking for their money back, because the money wasn't going towards a new ending.

Also let me clarify my position a bit, as I think it's being misunderstood. I agree with you, that think it was bad of people to start this just for the sake of trying to make their criticisms of the ending valid. I also think that anyone that donated to this, for the sole purpose of thinking that money would go towards buying you a new ending were also poor in character for doing so.

The only point I'm trying to make here is...a segment of the people that donated to this donated out of good faith. They knew 100% their money was going to a good charity. They knew that their money being spent had nothing to do with the ending, and only donated because I. It was a good cause and II. to stand in solidarity with fans that didn't like the ending.

So my view is, to those that donated in good faith and didn't expect anything in return, we shouldn't be calling them disgusting and lumping them in with the rest. Not everyone donated to this for the reasons you guys are upset.

To be fair, I'm not generalising against the whole retake movement. Yes, I find a lot of the rhetoric silly (I thought Kirrahe's speech was a moment at best anyway) but at the same time I have no problem with people voicing their dissatisfaction with things. Unfortunately, to yo dawg things for a moment, the vocal minority of the vocal minority have been displaying pretty terrible behaviour and in my opinion it's right to call them out on it. I can't speak for everyone, but for me at least any comments made against retake are specifically towards that sub-group, not the whole.

[FemmeShep]

Tirranek wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Alright let me be clear...

I didn't mean to say I don't trust PA. I just meant that we don't have all the facts (ie. the numbers, and of the people that asked refunds, how many were asking for refunds simply because they thought it was going towards the ending). It's easy to get swept up in the hysteria and say: OMG mass amounts of people are asking for their money back, because the money wasn't going towards a new ending.

Also let me clarify my position a bit, as I think it's being misunderstood. I agree with you, that think it was bad of people to start this just for the sake of trying to make their criticisms of the ending valid. I also think that anyone that donated to this, for the sole purpose of thinking that money would go towards buying you a new ending were also poor in character for doing so.

The only point I'm trying to make here is...a segment of the people that donated to this donated out of good faith. They knew 100% their money was going to a good charity. They knew that their money being spent had nothing to do with the ending, and only donated because I. It was a good cause and II. to stand in solidarity with fans that didn't like the ending.

So my view is, to those that donated in good faith and didn't expect anything in return, we shouldn't be calling them disgusting and lumping them in with the rest. Not everyone donated to this for the reasons you guys are upset.

To be fair, I'm not generalising against the whole retake movement. Yes, I find a lot of the rhetoric silly (I thought Kirrahe's speech was a moment at best anyway) but at the same time I have no problem with people voicing their dissatisfaction with things. Unfortunately, to yo dawg things for a moment, the vocal minority of the vocal minority have been displaying pretty terrible behaviour and in my opinion it's right to call them out on it. I can't speak for everyone, but for me at least any comments made against retake are specifically towards that sub-group, not the whole.

The whole thing just makes me really sad.

I really don't want to sound like I'm coming out in defense for those that did this for the wrong reason's. I just feel bad for those that donated in good faith. But as I told someone in a PM, I guess this whole fiasco is bigger than those that donated for good reasons. So I'm going to shut up now.

Damnit, I wish people didn't have to go ruin things for others. Why would anyone donate to a charity just to validate their criticisms. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 23 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[paralitos]

so people actually e-mailed child's play asking them "when are we getting the endings?" amusing...

can't blame the companies anymore, if i had customers like these i am sure i would find a way to sell them the same game three times...

Modifié par paralitos, 23 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[The Nur]

All I'm doing is waiting to see posts/threads to actually hear from these people asking for their donations back. If they have been buried in all the anti-retake venom, then please PM a link or two.

I find it hard to believe online vocal people who are part of a vocal online movement would demand the ending they "paid for" and/or demand refunds without the forums being buried in "OMG Whre are muh endingz??!!" posts and such.

All this nonsense muddies the water and distracts from the real reasons people were civilly discussing their opinions on an ending. Makes me sad all around.

[CRISIS1717]

Seriously? the people asking for their money back are scum.

I didn't even know people could be so pathetic and disgraceful.