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[Tirranek]

FemmeShep wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Alright let me be clear...

I didn't mean to say I don't trust PA. I just meant that we don't have all the facts (ie. the numbers, and of the people that asked refunds, how many were asking for refunds simply because they thought it was going towards the ending). It's easy to get swept up in the hysteria and say: OMG mass amounts of people are asking for their money back, because the money wasn't going towards a new ending.

Also let me clarify my position a bit, as I think it's being misunderstood. I agree with you, that think it was bad of people to start this just for the sake of trying to make their criticisms of the ending valid. I also think that anyone that donated to this, for the sole purpose of thinking that money would go towards buying you a new ending were also poor in character for doing so.

The only point I'm trying to make here is...a segment of the people that donated to this donated out of good faith. They knew 100% their money was going to a good charity. They knew that their money being spent had nothing to do with the ending, and only donated because I. It was a good cause and II. to stand in solidarity with fans that didn't like the ending.

So my view is, to those that donated in good faith and didn't expect anything in return, we shouldn't be calling them disgusting and lumping them in with the rest. Not everyone donated to this for the reasons you guys are upset.

To be fair, I'm not generalising against the whole retake movement. Yes, I find a lot of the rhetoric silly (I thought Kirrahe's speech was a moment at best anyway) but at the same time I have no problem with people voicing their dissatisfaction with things. Unfortunately, to yo dawg things for a moment, the vocal minority of the vocal minority have been displaying pretty terrible behaviour and in my opinion it's right to call them out on it. I can't speak for everyone, but for me at least any comments made against retake are specifically towards that sub-group, not the whole.

The whole thing just makes me really sad.

I really don't want to sound like I'm coming out in defense for those that did this for the wrong reason's. I just feel bad for those that donated in good faith. But as I told someone in a PM, I guess this whole fiasco is bigger than those that donated for good reasons. So I'm going to shut up now.

Damnit, I wish people didn't have to go ruin things for others. Why would anyone donate to a charity just to validate their criticisms. 

I think it's safe to say that those who honestly donated in good faith are recognised as having done so, and that any angry comments are directed at that vague number who thought they were buying an ending, or something similar.

Modifié par Tirranek, 23 mars 2012 - 10:36 .

[MrWahloh]

GodChildInTheMachine wrote...

Yeah... not sure how they didn't read somewhere in the process that it was a charity drive.

Seriously, you get to the landing page, it explains the whole thing. You click on the tracker gizmo, it says chip in for Child's Play. You log into PayPal and authorize a donation to the Child's Play charity fund. Then you finalize everything and go to the reception page where people are leaving comments about how cool it is for sick kids to play video games while they are being treated.

If I made that kind of mistake unintentionally, I think I would just cut my losses out of embarrassment. LET ALONE writing the charity up and saying, "Hey, I have no awareness of what I'm doing, I just punch my credit card number into open field boxes all over the internet. AND I'm a douche bag. So give me my money back."

[lofte_2000]

Tazzmission wrote...

HonestJoe wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

I'll repeat something I tweeted with regards to this.

#retakemasseffect Raising $70,000 for a good cause is admirable. But hiding behind charity to legitimise a personal grievance is wrong.

Seems I was bang on the money.

I am getting seriously, seriously hacked off with all the whole retake movement.

I'm getting hacked off with people banging on about it being civil, when 95% of the people complaining have tunnel vision, and won't listen to what others have to say.

I'm getting hacked off that people are picking apart everything that comes to light from bioware or other sources.

I'm getting hacked off that this is ALL that the forums seem to be about.

And now this. People wanting charity donations back....... you make me sick, you selfish, entitled ****s.

Now for the 5% that have been civil, fair play. But you are the minority.

Until the retake movement I had never even heard of the childsplay charity.

Since then I have donated twice. Once to show my support for the movement; and again not 5 minutes ago after hearing that the movement had ended.

I choose to believe that anyone demanding a refund is in the minority. As someone who believes that most people are basically good deep down; I can't imagine that anyone would think that would be an acceptable way to behave.
I'm very sorry that this very positive community movement has received so much negative publicity.

I'm also a little disgusted at just how many people have devoted so much of their own time to disparaging this movement, and the people who participated in it.

It's one thing to disagree, and express a dissenting opinion. But the vitriolic, hateful remarks coming from some people, seem way over the top.

If we are going to remonstrate the conduct of people during this 'Retake' movement; It is only fair that both sides are held to account.

i never seen you around before so ill be nice and explain the situation

the movment you are happy to be apart of has gone around on this board and stated they are like both the civil rights and womens movement


now alot ( not all) but alot have been saying pretty disturbing things like i want to take bioware to court for false advertising


some have even demanded people be fired from bioware

hijacking threads when someone is speaking possitivily

derailing threads that have nothing to do with negativity or the endings

they come to every section of this forum and say the same thing omg this or that isnt as bad as the me3 ending


its like ok we get it you dont like it pipe down already

they continue to do it and try playing the victim


i have been personally attacked by the movement just because i say something possitive they come in and call me a butt kisser?

now all of a sudden someone grows a pair and challenges them they are now the victim?



if you dont believe me fine feel free to dig through old  threads from the last month tops and if you dont want to feel free to check my post history because if theres one thing i never do i never lie

This is absolute rubbish, retake are mainly mature gamers. There is a few kids, writing tripe not much different from what you have posted above.

With any coming together of people there will always be idiots on the sidelines, this is true if we are talking of any sport/club fans etc.

Stop trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

[Paparob]

I think this thread can only really go down here from here, which giving its subject and content is definitely a statement. Everything that could have been has been said, we might as well just move on and not dwell on negative people.

[Illusory_Enemy]

Tazzmission wrote...
now alot ( not all) but alot have been saying pretty disturbing things like i want to take bioware to court for false advertising

Why that should be considered "disturbing"? If you've a dispute and you think you're right the most civil thing you can do is to bring that before a fair judge, no one can deny you that right nor can blame you for such a course of action.

This is an outrage.

Edit : And regardless, I'm pretty sure no one was really serious about that nor I heard about something that was going beyond a simple complaint to a Commission, Courts are another matter.

Modifié par Illusory_Enemy, 23 mars 2012 - 10:45 .

[HenchxNarf]

paralitos wrote...

so people actually e-mailed child's play asking them "when are we getting the endings?" amusing...

can't blame the companies anymore, if i had customers like these i am sure i would find a way to sell them the same game three times...

I know, right?

[Tirranek]

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This is absolute rubbish, retake are mainly mature gamers. There is a few kids, writing tripe not much different from what you have posted above.

With any coming together of people there will always be idiots on the sidelines, this is true if we are talking of any sport/club fans etc.

Stop trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Sorry but that's not how this should work. Anger and frustration against a number of people who have demonstrated that kind of behaviour should not be disregarded because they happen to hold the same views as relatively sane majority. The whole group isn't, or at least shouldn't be criticised, but speaking from experience, the 'vocal minority' are acting like absolute :pinched:s.

[Mbednar]

Tonight has made me lose faith in people, Bioware, the Movement, Penny Arcade, ...

I dunno... I'm on a real downer going to bed. Absolutely everything that has happened tonight feels like rubbish. Maybe I'll feel better tomorrow.

But I'll probably find that everything that happened will escalate further and further out of control. The proverbial powder keg has already gone off but there is a lot more where that came from that is soon to follow.

Sigh...

[gudman]

I demanded my money back because at first I thought it was nice to do that, but then I remembered that I don't care about these kids and whatnot



lol jk

Modifié par gudman, 23 mars 2012 - 10:48 .

[justlogme]

HenchxNarf wrote...

paralitos wrote...

so people actually e-mailed child's play asking them "when are we getting the endings?" amusing...

can't blame the companies anymore, if i had customers like these i am sure i would find a way to sell them the same game three times...

I know, right?

  and you believe evreything on the internet without any kind of proof? Especially when said info come from PA thats denounced the charity from day one?

Modifié par justlogme, 23 mars 2012 - 10:48 .

[desirearune]

lol are you sure it was just people asking for refunds.... not actually ea's lawyer giving them a call...

[Ozzyfan223]

How can so many people condemn the entire movement based on a minority? Man, everyone needs to relax.

the people who are demanding refunds are the stark minority, and all of this infighting will ruin any hope we have of accomplishing our goal.

I personally looked at the donation drive as something everyone could feel good about. About making the best out of a situation, no matter what the outcome. That we can band together, and despite what may or may not happen, we, as a team, can make something good out of a bad situation.

Infighting will be the death of this movement, we need it to end.

[Arriths]

I thought people where better than this, had more common sense to see that this was a positive outlet for us, to donate to sick kids who deserve a better life. Shame on you, if you asked for your money back and shame on you for doing it only for the damn endings.

So incredibly disgusted by this I don’t want to be a part of this movement anymore if people are doing this.

[Thrawn81]

Mbednar wrote...

Tonight has made me lose faith in people, Bioware, the Movement, Penny Arcade, ...

I dunno... I'm on a real downer going to bed. Absolutely everything that has happened tonight feels like rubbish. Maybe I'll feel better tomorrow.

But I'll probably find that everything that happened will escalate further and further out of control. The proverbial powder keg has already gone off but there is a lot more where that came from that is soon to follow.

Sigh...

/sign

Things going out of control here on both sides, we have to stop that!

[Shallyah]

And why is an offtopic thread going 8 pages and counting...?

I missed the part where this thread speaks about Mass Effect 3's story.

It's not like I delight conspiracy theories, but really...

Modifié par Shallyah, 23 mars 2012 - 10:52 .

[Illusory_Enemy]

Mbednar wrote...

But I'll probably find that everything that happened will escalate further and further out of control. The proverbial powder keg has already gone off but there is a lot more where that came from that is soon to follow.

Sigh...

Yeah, I fear that too.

[ReavousX]

The VAST majority of people who donated aren't going to take their money back. Exaggerating the situation is obviously not going to help.

Find a friendly thread, buck up, and hold the line. Everything is fine, just don't panic over these things, and don't be fooled into thinking a couple of goons represent the movement as a whole.

[Nassegris]

Of course it’s a weird thing to be asking for money back now.

Weirder still to condemn the whole movement because of a few morons.

Me, I’m leaving the money I donated there, but I’ll go back to my usual charities for the rest of the money I plan to give away this year. If I’d realised that PA was behind Child’s Play, chances are I’d have donated my money to another cause to begin with. I don’t like their attitude very much. (It's a worthy charity, though, but then again - most charities are  )

But taking back charity money? Nooo… no way.

Modifié par Nassegris, 23 mars 2012 - 10:56 .

[Tazzmission]

Arriths wrote...

I thought people where better than this, had more common sense to see that this was a positive outlet for us, to donate to sick kids who deserve a better life. Shame on you, if you asked for your money back and shame on you for doing it only for the damn endings.

So incredibly disgusted by this I don’t want to be a part of this movement anymore if people are doing this.

thank you!


i have said this ever since it first started honestly

i wasnt apart of the movment but i did offer better ways to be heard

to me its not even about the endings because now every gamer will be labeled a indian giver because the so called movment have gone on record saying they speak for every gamer

im sorry yes i may sound rude cold and a jerk but i never asked for the movment to speak for me

i had a feeling something like foul play will happen and i was right


im mad because as a person with gaming aside it just really baffles me on how a majority will be so selfish

im no saint myself i admit but this is just a whole new ball game

and to those in the movment who didnt agree with that majority i apologize and i didnt mean to snap at you im just very devistated at this situation

Modifié par Tazzmission, 23 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[gudman]

Wait a minute, so all this donation thing is not going to bring us the ending we want?

That's a downer.

[Mbednar]

Tazzmission wrote...

Arriths wrote...

I thought people where better than this, had more common sense to see that this was a positive outlet for us, to donate to sick kids who deserve a better life. Shame on you, if you asked for your money back and shame on you for doing it only for the damn endings.

So incredibly disgusted by this I don’t want to be a part of this movement anymore if people are doing this.

thank you!


i have said this ever since it first started honestly

to me its not even about the endings because now every gamr will be labeled a indian giver because the so called movment have gone on record saying they speak for every gamer

im sorry yes i may sound rude cold and a jerk but i never asked for the movment to speak for me

i had a feeling something like foul play will happen and i was right


im mad because as a person with gaming aside it just really baffles me on how a majority will be so selfish

im no saint myself i admit but this is just a whole new ball game

and to those in the movment who didnt agree with that majority i apologize and i didnt mean to snap at you im just very devistated at this situation

AN INCREDIBLE MINORITY ASKED FOR REFUNDS.   VERY VERY SMALL.  People just won't listen no matter what.

I'm not even a part of the movement but don't make stuff up.

goodnight

Modifié par Mbednar, 23 mars 2012 - 10:57 .

[mawdudi]

the way i understood this, some people donated thinking the money will be used to make a new ending to me3...and now they want their money back

im sorry, but HAHA how can someone be that NOOB

[Ryokun1989]

It's nice how some people here see this happening from their movements and the charity drive they have been trumpeting around then just decide that it 'wasn't me' and wash their hands on the whole thing.

[Asnine112]

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

How can so many people condemn the entire movement based on a minority? Man, everyone needs to relax.

the people who are demanding refunds are the stark minority, and all of this infighting will ruin any hope we have of accomplishing our goal.

I personally looked at the donation drive as something everyone could feel good about. About making the best out of a situation, no matter what the outcome. That we can band together, and despite what may or may not happen, we, as a team, can make something good out of a bad situation.

Infighting will be the death of this movement, we need it to end.

This is SOP.

In fact, it's human nature. Look at you guys and IGN, or Forbes. You condemn (or praise) the entire site because of things one or two people say.

[desirearune]

common guys hold the line.... we have faced impossible odds before when bioware treated us like a bunch of kids and said no we will not change anything just because i said so in interviews that i would provide more than a a,b and c ending....remmember that post that was fun to read...about the charity do you guys really belive that a bunch of people asking for money back would make the charity back off -.- i dont remmember reading about other charitys in the world that backed off because some poeple asked for their money back.... its probably just ea's lawyer giving them a hard time... lol if you cant hold the line now... how will you hold it when they announce something absurd in april lol -.-