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[Michel1986]

No i won't.

[Morbidity]

yes, probably, if it looks like a game i'd enjoy. They gave us quite a bit of free DLC for ME2 so I haven't yet condemned them as a hopeless money grubbing company yet and the dialog style of rpg is my favorite type. Worse, bioware is really the only company doing rpg's of that style these days so I can't afford to be picky about supporting them if I don't want the genre to vanish forever. Besides, despite the discontent I have about somethings, I feel I got enough enjoyment from me3 to of been worth my money considering I have payed $20 for a 2 hour movie that I maybe watched 3 times so if 6 hours is worth $20 then the math is simple.

[Arkynomicon]

Nah, calling it quits after Mass Effect 3 just because I wanted to wrap that adventure up. I haven't had time to finish it, though. But I hear the ending is horrible.

Also, Dragon Age: Awakening and Dragon Age 2 was so mediocre that it really turned me off from future titles.

The fact that Bioware also refuse to learn how the PS3 works properly is also a huge turn-off. Kinda disapointing that such a successful company don't care enough about their quality. Also, don't give me that rubbish that the PS3 is weak. I know it can run some pretty impressive looking games like God of War 3 without frame-rate going all to hell.

Modifié par Arkynomicon, 23 mars 2012 - 01:56 .

[chris2365]

Absolutely. Mass Effect 3 is one of the best video games I've ever played, and one of the few that made my sad. Aside from a few stumbles (like the ending, which they've promised they'll fix), it was near pefect in my opinion

[tetrisblock4x1]

Calemyr wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

If Bioware want to alienate people they're not doing a good job of it. You people will all be back. You love Bioware too much to quit.

I did. I really, really did. I adored them so much, their loyalty to their audience and their pursuit of the story well told. I didn't care how outlandish a concept was, I knew with certainty that Bioware would find a way to turn it into narrative gold. 

Then came DA2 and my faith faltered.

Then came this ending and my faith fractured.

Then came their response to it - and every last shred of faith I have left in them is being held in the balance.

I did not come here to see "art", I came to see the biggest badass in narrative history bring three games, five years, and an entire freaking galaxy together in one final glorious showdown. I came to see the best action movie in history, and ended up watching an indy flick. So, yeah, I'm a little angry about it.

My faith isn't dead. Not yet, but their bull-headed adherence to "art" over substance is pulling at the plug to its life support.

Whaaaat?

Well, we got a glorious final showdown. It could hardly have been much bigger. Shepards part in the ending was handled quite well. Sure, the exposition at the end was kind of rushed but when the majority of the galaxies combined forces are engaged in an all or nothing attack on the Reapers is hardly the appropriate time to be asking 20 questions. And the 3 solutions at the end and what they meant were already covered in detail through the stories of Saren and TIM long before we got to the citadel, and the third choice of destroying all synthetics is pretty self explanatory. The rest of the ending (the other characters, the catalyst, the reapers motivation) was less than satisfactory, but those plot threads can always be picked up and redeemed. Shepard, as we all know, is over and done with, he had a pretty good end and that's whats important.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 23 mars 2012 - 01:52 .

[frostajulie]

no. I think I am done. If the writers and developers are going to lie and beso lazy they can't end a story properly than no. The ending is just as important as the journey and the ending of ME3 was a lazy steaming pile of crap.

[admcmei]

I thought about this a lot, and found what is the rational response: who knows. What I mean is, I always found that being "faithful" to any company, corporation, logo, whatever, is stupid. You should always just be judgind what they do step y step and considering everytime, rationally. So, concurrently, it is stupid the be the opposite,to "boycott" a company because they f-up with one product. At that point, it becomes subjective, it's our own sensibility that determines when f-ups are so big that undermine a company's credibility completely (and BioWare with some of their behavior these past few weeks risked it, for sure, now they're fixing the aim a little and I'll give them these two weeks until PAX). What I will do is what I've always done, never buy a game because it's made by a certain company, always wait for other opinions. ME3 was the only time in my whole life that I've pre-ordered a game, because I love the saga so much and didn't think possible that they could make it bad. I was only half right. So in this case, I'll just hold off on buying DLC if the ending is not fixed (not on some kind of principle, but because I genuinely can't give a damn right now about what happens before the end, it's made to be meaningless). I don't even see myself buying other ME products if they're set before this horrible ending.
But other games? Who knows, we'll see. I may try TOR now that a friend of mine renews the first month and gives me the 14-day trial code.

[Farbautisonn]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

If Bioware want to alienate people they're not doing a good job of it. You people will all be back. You love Bioware too much to quit.

Not really. The DA franchise is stone cold dead for me. Recommendations from friends stopped me from buying DA2. Trying it for 1 hour at an internet cafe (sons birthday) effectively vaccinated me off the franchise. I know that the DA3 guys are trying hard to convince people things will be "Different" this time, but I really dont want to go back. They promised alot the last time around too, I can tell from the forums. Or well. They "listened".

The ME franchise was killed by what I percive to be inane writing and storytelling, plus a seriously faulty gamplay application of dialogue, bugs and whatnot. Not just the ending. No need to go back to that as ME3 was the chance I gave Bioware for DA2. So. Nothing lost by staing clear.

Im not the only guy who feels like this. I know quite a few non-forum members who have the precise same sentiments.

The main reason I hang around here now is because of the drama and the lulz. I cant wait to see what comes next.

[Dustbeard]

Probably not. Though I enjoy the Bioware games I own and will probably buy all the ME3 DLC going, I fear their best days are behind them now.

The Mass Effect series (one of my favourite game series ever) is showing signs of the same rot that afflicted the Fable series (which I also used to like) - lots of hype, but less substance with every release. I enjoyed ME3 but the PR surrounding the game didn't reflect the product, and the response from the company and the media regarding the endings has been unsavoury. I'd play The Old Republic (MMO) but it's too expensive, and I gave up on Dragon Age after playing the DA2 demo, so there's not much for me to look forward to.

If they got Obsidian to do their next set of games however I'd buy those.

[Calemyr]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...
Whaaaat?

Well, we got a glorious final showdown. It could hardly have been much bigger. Shepards part in the ending was handled quite well. Sure, the exposition at the end was kind of rushed but when the majority of the galaxies combined forces are engaged in an all or nothing attack on the Reapers is hardly the appropriate time to be asking 20 questions. And the 3 solutions at the end and what they meant were already covered in detail through the stories of Saren and TIM long before we got to the citadel, and the third choice of destroying all synthetics is pretty self explanatory. The rest of the ending (the other characters, the catalyst, the reapers motivation) was less than satisfactory, but those plot threads can always be picked up and redeemed. Shepard, as we all know, is over and done with, he had a pretty good end and that's whats important.

Really? Darn. What game was I playing, then? Whatever it was, it had the exact same stock footage of human marines getting slaughtered, with no krogan or any other non-Reaper races to be found, which means that Hackett and Anderson had two brain cells between them, and alien ships that lined up during the face off and then were never heard from again.  The game I played gave no weight to the fleet at all, not even where it technically did - even when the EMS effected things, it was never stated, suggested, or explained. Options fail or succeed, are offered or withheld, without the slightest handwave (or even mention) of how or why the fleet had an influence on it. EMS is like a random number generator for a handful of dice rolls, but one you work to get the number you see - or don't see.

Darn it, you're right. I couldn't have been playing Mass Effect 3. I couldn't have been playing a game in a series built on tolerance, respect for diversity, diplomacy, and sticking to your beliefs no matter what the odds. I couldn't have been playing a game that boasted nearly infinite possibilities and meaningful endings and satisfying conclusions. Because the ending was a hollow shell that held firm to the virtues of genocide, isolationism, conformism, and nihilism. *Checks download* Oh, Mess Affect 3! That will teach me to pay more attention to game titles in the future. I'm really looking forward to Mass Effect 3, then. It couldn't possibly be screw things up as badly as this piece of "art".

And we must have really differing concepts of what it means to "change the ending". An epilogue? A chance to call the kid out on all the "art" he's been spewing? Some sign that the universe isn't quite as screwed as half a minute of CGI was able to convey? That's changing the ending. That's all I'm asking for. That's all they've explicitly said they're not promising they'll do.

Is it their game? Yes.
Did I buy it? Yes.
Did they tell me what was in it? Supposedly.
Did they lie? Oh, yes.
Do I feel ill used? Certainly.
Can they still fix it in my eyes? Absolutely, I wouldn't be here if I wasn't willing to give them a chance.
If they don't, will I ever trust them when they say "And this time, it won't suck"? Not a chance.

I apologize if this is a bit caustic, but I'm getting tired of this. I've tried being polite, I've tried being logical. Sometimes a little satire gets the point across when simple honesty fails. It was meant to be funny, not offensive. I don't begrudge anyone their opinion, but I will stand by mine - a desire for at least some sort of acknowledgement of the problem beyond "you people just don't understand 'art'". I do understand art. I do. I don't buy art. Video games are so much more than art, so much more than static reflections of one person's soul.

[sheppard7]

I'll rent it or wait for it to go to the bargain bin.

[MrGuse]

Yes, Without hesitation. I might even spring for the DA3 collector's edition.

[JasmoVT]

Given the way Bioware is pimping multiplayer I am expecting all future games to be multiplay/co-op centric in which case I will have nothing to do with them. If they produce a single player rpg I will give it serious consideration.

[Mace20]

Maybe, but I won't pre order any of their future games, that's for sure.