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Ck213

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Agh,,,it driving me nuts.
It's that itch that won't go away and I think everyone's feeling it and irritation is coming out in different ways.

BioWare is up to some kind of trickery, or that ending is just so out there people are grasping at strands and weaving it into something meaningful. This is my list of things that bug me.

-The Child on Earth. An obvious emotional connection for Shepard.

-The sudden out-of-the-blue-solution to defeat the reapers in the form of the Crucible.

-EDI's explanation of how the Quarians and the Geth went wrong in contrast later to Star Child's argument.

-Hammer Company being wiped out so easily as they made their way to the beam

-The Guts of the Citadel having the same electrical discharge technology as the Shadow broker's ship

-After nothing happens at the console, Shepard  passes out. He/She is levitated up by the Catalyst. Why not leave Shep there and finish everyone off?

-The Catalyst taking the form of the child Shepard saw die. If it can take the form of this Child then it must have access to Shepard's mind. This one form that he could so easily be manipulated by. A child that said: "You can't help me."

-Back to the Synthetics VS organics arguments and Shep not saying a thing about Legion and EDI,

-The Citadel already being designed for those three Choices, but the Star Child behaving like it's surprised Shepard made it and realizing a new solution is needed.

-The Star Child claiming the Crucible changed it and made it consider new possibilities. But it can't do it itself and needs Shepard to do it.

-Those three choices being exactly what BioWare said they were not going to do: (A  B and C)

-And about those choices: Control is what the Illusive Man wanted. Synthesis is what Saren wanted. Destruction is what Anderson wanted. Destruction is what leads to the ending where "The Body" takes a breath. Obviously the Elusive Man and Saren are wrong, and I would put my faith in Anderson every time.

-The Star Child is actually giving a Sales pitch, introducing destruction first and why the solution won't last, Control next, a second best choice for it, and Synthesis last--what he really wants Shepard to do, and he defends the choice.

-Shepard only taciitly questions the Star Child and allows the Star Child to define his choices.

-That the Star Child fades away with the other two choices, but blinks out when destroyed.

-The single CGI in the various flavors that seems like a copout for a real ending. And this whole thing about the original ending being leaked, or whatever that was about. And of course Joker fleeing the scene with your team. And after setting the precedent with Relays exploding and destroying solar systems, we have relays exploding with several magical beam effects to do incredible things like destroy synthetic life, merge synthetic and organic life, or control the reapers, blow up, but don't destroy the solar system. Very versitile for an on-the-fly decision.

-And finally that breath for the very special destruction choice.

It all does not add up to what I would consider an ending that makes sense. Something's up, and I can't help but feel BioWare has engineered this reaction for whatever follows.

I'm leaning towards none of that really happened, and I guess I'm now in the indoctrination camp, or dream camp. Destruction is the right choice and the other two are fail choices. But that leads to another question. Why would BioWare play around with the ending like that? Why not just end it as it was intended?

Uh......:?

-They want us to feel the indoctrination process? Those that are happy with the ending belive it's real. Be amazed that you fell for it. Those who don't believe, make those choices, play all of them because of the "something's not right" feeling. Argue about it, and then get the real ending when we've been properly primed for it.

-The real ending is so good, they couldn't  resist strechting it out?

-They ran out of time and money and this is a delaying tactic to give more time and perhaps generate some more revenue to pay expenses?

-A new tactic to make sure that only people who paid  for the game can get the real ending later?

-A greedy tactic to sell us a better ending later?

I don't know why.
I just have the feeling that something's purposely not right here. It's either genius or a...:innocent: not going to say what I want to say.
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I'm tacking on my final stance on this subject. (After sleeping on it.)


I simply reject the given ending, true ending or not.

As far as I am concerned, my Sheps are lying unconscious on the field as Harbinger
attempts a first indoctrination attempt of Shep using the form of the child Shep saw
die and has a strong emotional connection with. It's using that form to weaken his
resolve and make the choice it wants him to make. If Shep accepts the choice, he has
given in to the indoctrination process.

Destruction is the choice Harbinger does not want Shepard to make. He introduces it
first and give reasons not to make that choice. He moves on to the second choice,
Control. And then he finishes with Synthesis, the choice he wants Shepard to make. He
even defends it. It's the choice Saren Arterius made. My Sheps will make the
Destruction choice at full EMS and wake up back on the field because the other two
choices are losing choices. Game Over.

If this is not the true ending then it's a massive plot hole. You don't want your
audience walking away with doubts about your ending, especially questioning if the
ending ever happened at all. That's bad writing. It's a massive plot hole and I'm
jumping in because it's a better alternative.

Modifié par Ck213, 23 mars 2012 - 06:01 .


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Catroi

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- they ****ed up and never will admit it because of their pride

^this

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I'm still expecting a real ending to be released as a PR stunt. Possibly free, possibly not, I don't know how evil Bioware are feeling.

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Indoc may not be as perfect as we'd like it to be. But I'll be a monkeys uncle if that *******t with the star child really happened.

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I know what you mean. Something just felt off the minute Shepard was somehow lifted up in that beam of light. If hammer was indeed wiped out and a full retreat called, then who was fighting the reapers after Shepard makes his choice? An itch that can't be scratched is a perfect description.

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RavenEyry wrote...

I'm still expecting a real ending to be released as a PR stunt.


I'm hoping that and honestly it would explain why the ending is in the state it is in.

Unfortunately I'm kinda cynical about this by now. When they saw how much of a backlash they were getting I'd have expected them to release a statement to explain "we intended this as a surprise but its clearly backfired, we apologise, here is what we are planning". Especially after retailers (and even EA) started offering full refunds for used copies. Given the fact they've still not explicitly said anything like that I honestly think they genuinely thought this was a good ending, depressing as that idea is.

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rma2110 wrote...

I know what you mean. Something just felt off the minute Shepard was somehow lifted up in that beam of light. If hammer was indeed wiped out and a full retreat called, then who was fighting the reapers after Shepard makes his choice? An itch that can't be scratched is a perfect description.


Yeah, you'd also think that the great Commander Shepard going down would be bigger news on the radio.

"Did anyone get to the beam?"
"Negative. The whole unit was wiped out"
"What about Shepard?!"

It's as if that was deliberately left out of the game, since the reaction to that particular question would've told us if it were real or not.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 23 mars 2012 - 10:06 .


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RavenEyry

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Robhuzz wrote...

rma2110 wrote...

I know what you mean. Something just felt off the minute Shepard was somehow lifted up in that beam of light. If hammer was indeed wiped out and a full retreat called, then who was fighting the reapers after Shepard makes his choice? An itch that can't be scratched is a perfect description.


Yeah, you'd also think that the great Commander Shepard going down would be bigger news on the radio.

"Did anyone get to the beam?"
"Negative. The whole unit was wiped out"
"What about Shepard?!"

It's as if that was deliberately left out of the game, since the reaction to that particular question would've told us if it were real or not.


"Well, Shepard and Anderson are still up. When I said 'whole unit', I only meant the unimportant guys."

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I share the exact feelings OP. And I don't know what to think.

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I think they bit off more than they could chew.

I think the dream sequences and the whole oddity of the final moments was an effort to really force some profound imagery, some real "meaning of life"-type stuff.

And they failed, shockingly and utterly failed.

It's as simple as that. There is no secret meaning to it all. Just a ham-fisted attempt to try to "elevate" content into something more than a literal sequence of events (an attempt that not once even makes it off the ground, sadly, never appearing as anything more than simply contrived and out-of-place).

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devSin wrote...

I think they bit off more than they could chew.

I think the dream sequences and the whole oddity of the final moments was an effort to really force some profound imagery, some real "meaning of life"-type stuff.

And they failed, shockingly and utterly failed.

Yep.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

devSin wrote...

I think they bit off more than they could chew.

I think the dream sequences and the whole oddity of the final moments was an effort to really force some profound imagery, some real "meaning of life"-type stuff.

And they failed, shockingly and utterly failed.

Yep.

 
Failed  grand fashion... 

sad thing about all of this, if they played the endings  straight.. they would have gotten that across easily  over the course of the story.  

Bioware heads  grew to big... the prolem now is they are not going admit that they messed up... which anyone who is has taken High School Lit. class can see.

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rma2110 wrote...

I know what you mean. Something just felt off the minute Shepard was somehow lifted up in that beam of light. If hammer was indeed wiped out and a full retreat called, then who was fighting the reapers after Shepard makes his choice? An itch that can't be scratched is a perfect description.

Hammer was just the ground troops.  There were still Sword and Shield in space.

But yes, there's just too many hints of something wrong to ignore.  Maybe it's not the IT, maybe it is.  Maybe they had something else planned, maybe not.  But things can't be just left as they stand, and if they don't already have another strategy out of it (which is what their statements so far seem to imply, although they might be trolling) then the IT seems like a good "escape hatch" for them, so they can improve things without destroying what's already there.

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- Or this is what they really intended as an ending and their surprised reaction is actually genuine.

I fear that this is the case and that makes me a bit depressed. It also means that the additional ending dlc will be rushed and probably under-worked.
I sincerely hope that I am wrong.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

rma2110 wrote...

I know what you mean. Something just felt off the minute Shepard was somehow lifted up in that beam of light. If hammer was indeed wiped out and a full retreat called, then who was fighting the reapers after Shepard makes his choice? An itch that can't be scratched is a perfect description.


Yeah, you'd also think that the great Commander Shepard going down would be bigger news on the radio.

"Did anyone get to the beam?"
"Negative. The whole unit was wiped out"
"What about Shepard?!"

It's as if that was deliberately left out of the game, since the reaction to that particular question would've told us if it were real or not.


"Well, Shepard and Anderson are still up. When I said 'whole unit', I only meant the unimportant guys."


Don't you find it odd though?

I meant that if the sequence were real, you'd expect Anderson (after having looked out for Shepard a such long time) to inquire about him. Did he go down with the rest of the squad or is he still alive and kicking. Honestly I do not see Anderson just accepting the message that the squad was wiped out and not for a second ask whether Shepard is alive or not. He's supposed to be humanity's only hope you know?:pinched:

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Maybe, or maybe they just ****ed up tremendously.

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I agree with the OP. I have that "something's not right" feeling as well. The ending is just so nonsensical that I simply cannot believe that the developers of the greatest trilogy in the history of gaming would mess up the ending this bad.

Maybe they deliberately kept the real ending out the the game and intended to release it as free DLC later on to prevent the ending from being data mined?

I know im probably just grasping for straws here. But I guess I just can't accept that they would screw up the ending this bad.

Fine Bioware had to end Shepards story. But did they just end the story? Oh no, that was not enough. They had to rub it in and utterly destroy it as well. Knowing what I know now I can't even let Shepard and his friends live on in my imagination. No new adventures, no new threats and enemies to overcome. And that; that is what makes me truly angry at the ending! Hell, I can't even imagine a new hero to start a new adventure with. Unless im interested in a story about a broken man who tries to build a clay cottage on the scorched surface of earth while trying to keep starving Krogans at bay with a wodden stick. They created this wonderful lore and universe that could have been the playground for some many more great game. but what did they do? They blew it up and wiped it out. Nice job.

They always said that ME3 would be the last of Shepards adventures and I had made peace with that. Because I thought that at least I could keep up a glimmer of hope that maybe, just maybe, someday I would see Shepard and his companions in a new adventure again. Or at least play a new commander someday that takes ofer after Shepards adventures in the galaxy.
But not now. It's truly over. Game over man, game over...

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We don't know the origins of the Shadow Broker base.

We don't know the origins of the Crucible plans.

Yeah, I think there's a reason for that.

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Catroi wrote...

- they ****ed up and never will admit it because of their pride

^this



This can probably be true as well :(

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There's definitely something that feels surreal and "wrong" about this bloody mess of an ending.

The god-child made all sorts of alarm bells go off in my head. I was prepared for some big reveal. It never came.

The child in the prologue felt off too. "You can't help me." Why not? What does he know?

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What's so difficult to understand about Mac and Casey underestimating our intelligence and enjoying the smell of their own farts too much? Anyone who's read the Final Hours thing should realize just how bonkers their reasoning was and that the endings we got really were the final, absolute endings, and that they genuinely liked them and thought we would, too.

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Arcian wrote...

What's so difficult to understand about Mac and Casey underestimating our intelligence and enjoying the smell of their own farts too much? Anyone who's read the Final Hours thing should realize just how bonkers their reasoning was and that the endings we got really were the final, absolute endings, and that they genuinely liked them and thought we would, too.



Yeah, and this baffles me

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It's an itch that needs scratching....soon.

Also, I have a fever....and the cure is MOAR COWBELL. Don't ask why I said that...

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This is what i was talking about with some friends.
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Something im my guts tell me that something is wrong, like really really wrong.
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I dont know.

frozngecko wrote...

It's an itch that needs scratching....soon.

Also, I have a fever....and the cure is MOAR COWBELL. Don't ask why I said that...


Ah man, i really hope that you are a beautiful woman and have a voice like Bayonetta :D

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SwobyJ wrote...

We don't know the origins of the Shadow Broker base.

We don't know the origins of the Crucible plans.

Yeah, I think there's a reason for that.


Liara says something about the Shadow Broker commissioning his ship and then killing off everyone involved after it was complete.

Anyway, OP, I agree with you. It makes so little sense that I don't want to believe it was actually planned to really be this way. It's one of the greatest lapses in human logic I've ever seen.