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[Aramintai]

Catroi wrote...

- they ****ed up and never will admit it because of their pride

^this

I'm thinking this too ^

[Hsuzy1987]

Arcian wrote...

What's so difficult to understand about Mac and Casey underestimating our intelligence and enjoying the smell of their own farts too much? Anyone who's read the Final Hours thing should realize just how bonkers their reasoning was and that the endings we got really were the final, absolute endings, and that they genuinely liked them and thought we would, too.

the ending makes so little sense that the allegation that two people wrote the ending and told the rest of the writing team to mind their own business seems pretty damn plausible. no way a team of seasoned writers would let this abomination come to pass under normal circumstances.

[JunMadine]

After Anderson died everything felt wrong to me. When I heard of the indoctrination theory it seemed to fit. I have been skeptical of the theory, but it could work. The end was just wrong to me. Hoping for good things at PAX, I really want to be able to play ME3 again.

Hold the line answers will come.

[count_4]

frozngecko wrote...
Also, I have a fever....and the cure is MOAR COWBELL.

Never gets old.^^

@Topic: Not sure what to believe myself. Can't imagine BioWare messing up on this major scale with an ending like this. They're generally too good to be that stupid.
On the other hand: Sh*t happens and delibarately taking this much damage without saying anything is unlikely.

Modifié par count_4, 23 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[LadyAly]

ME3 is like a beautiful woman with foul feets - you only see it if you get off the shoes ...
I feel the same way - I still love the game, but the end is full of questions, holes and irrational.
So the Indoctrination Theory seems possible to me -

and the feeling they get rushed / run out of time.

[Adsinjapan]

Everything about this in my own mind is telling me that something somewhere went terribly wrong and Bioware f**ked up.
It's silly to think that a highly successful development company would screw up and ****** off their loyal consumer fanbase for the sole act of PR. That isn't how business works unless you live in the "Bass Ackwards Universe".
Look at the fallout that's occurred because us fans are unhappy and displeased. now how does that equal higher revenue for the company if nothing is improved?

I don't know what happened, but it's one of a few possibilities.

1. Bioware ran out of budget.

2. EA placed extra pressure on Bioware to release a game according to a deadline that they could not meet, and they were forced to rush-job the ending and hope for the best.

3. Something wasn't worked on and some very BAD ideas slipped by in the QA department.

4. New Bioware bigwigs muscled their way into the creative process without any clue what they were doing and ham-handedly forcing their ideas into the game development process carelessly.
I'm not naming names, but anyone who supports this dross as a great direction for their final game and the company, aren't the smartest of people in my book.

[MrFob]

I really do want to believe it's is all a PR stunt BUT:

How do people who believe that explain Ray Muzyka's statement. If have heard it said that it is supposed to be further deception but why? It doesn't make sense to me at all. If BW had something up their sleeve, they would have stayed silent for a while and then released/announced what they had. This statement only hurts them if it were true they had something planned.
If anyone can explain that one to me, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise I remain very VERY sceptical.

[dorktainian]

If you dont mind - i'll make a couple of minor changes.

LadyAly wrote...

ME3 is like a drink of acid.  Sure it'll go down the throat, but it'll leave you feeling all hollow inside


I feel the same way - I still love the game, but the end is full of questions, holes and irrational rubbish.
So the Indoctrination Theory seems possible to me - too right it does...

and the feeling they got rushed / run out of time.

How can they be rushed?  My guess is they rush released SWTOR in an unready state because if they'd have released ME3 when they should have done originally then it would have done massive damage to the prospects of selling SWTOR which was originally due to be released after ME3 wasnt it?

[LadyAly]

dorktainian wrote...

If you dont mind - i'll make a couple of minor changes.

LadyAly wrote...

ME3 is like a drink of acid.  Sure it'll go down the throat, but it'll leave you feeling all hollow inside


I feel the same way - I still love the game, but the end is full of questions, holes and irrational rubbish.
So the Indoctrination Theory seems possible to me - too right it does...

and the feeling they got rushed / run out of time.

How can they be rushed?  My guess is they rush released SWTOR in an unready state because if they'd have released ME3 when they should have done originally then it would have done massive damage to the prospects of selling SWTOR which was originally due to be released after ME3 wasnt it?

Changes approved

And yes - this could be the point. EA is a money oriented company.

[MB957]

I hear you OP! I too think its some kind of prank..or part of the game...to be continued soon.

I dont know why bioware would do that. its so risky. but hey...who knows...lol

there is lots of speculation..lol...about these possible IDT type endings...but there is one thing that really stands out for me..

I cant for one moment...believe that such a talented writing team...who delivered such a fantastic tale for the entire game, much less 2 prior games, would suddenly throw everything good about writing out the window, create plotholes bigger than the sun, and implode at the last moment.

there is no way!! I cannot begin to fathom how a professional writing team...who obviously can crank out the goods...can fail so drastically in 15 minutes.

[shinobi602]

Like you said, there is something amiss.

Especially that the Catalyst takes the shape of the child Shepard saw...how the hell would that be possible unless it had..."access to Shepard's" mind?

And like you said, I feel like I'm the only one who thought "You can't help me" was extremely weird...what the hell kind of kid would say that? Any young tike like that would've immediately accepted that help with bigass monsters killing everyone around him.

That's why I think it MUST have been a hallucination.

[Aslanasadi]

LadyAly wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

If you dont mind - i'll make a couple of minor changes.

LadyAly wrote...

ME3 is like a drink of acid.  Sure it'll go down the throat, but it'll leave you feeling all hollow inside


I feel the same way - I still love the game, but the end is full of questions, holes and irrational rubbish.
So the Indoctrination Theory seems possible to me - too right it does...

and the feeling they got rushed / run out of time.

How can they be rushed?  My guess is they rush released SWTOR in an unready state because if they'd have released ME3 when they should have done originally then it would have done massive damage to the prospects of selling SWTOR which was originally due to be released after ME3 wasnt it?

Changes approved

And yes - this could be the point. EA is a money oriented company.

I approve, too 

[frozngecko]

RafaelBRms wrote...

This is what i was talking about with some friends.
.
Something im my guts tell me that something is wrong, like really really wrong.
.
I dont know.

frozngecko wrote...

It's an itch that needs scratching....soon.

Also, I have a fever....and the cure is MOAR COWBELL. Don't ask why I said that...

Ah man, i really hope that you are a beautiful woman and have a voice like Bayonetta

I would lie to you....but I'm still laughing...XD

[lodgik]

MrFob wrote...

I really do want to believe it's is all a PR stunt BUT:

How do people who believe that explain Ray Muzyka's statement. If have heard it said that it is supposed to be further deception but why? It doesn't make sense to me at all. If BW had something up their sleeve, they would have stayed silent for a while and then released/announced what they had. This statement only hurts them if it were true they had something planned.
If anyone can explain that one to me, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise I remain very VERY sceptical.

I don't know if it's going to answer your question but Ray and the team at Bioware never expected this to happen maybe they thought people would just talk about it a lot and then they would release DLC's that would continue the storie. the problem is that if they did this right now in the heat, some people would get really mad and think they just gave us a game with an incomplete ending. Check in the article how ray stil defend the ending even though it's clearly non-sensical and filled with plot hole. The only way they would back their games ending in my opinion is if they knew this is not complete. beside how can they come up with an additional DLC ending in 3 weeks before paxx ?

[Golferguy758]

I write about this last night. Everything just seems too wrong to accept this at its current level. Pax will determine the outcome one way or the other

[MrFob]

lodgik wrote...

MrFob wrote...

I really do want to believe it's is all a PR stunt BUT:

How do people who believe that explain Ray Muzyka's statement. If have heard it said that it is supposed to be further deception but why? It doesn't make sense to me at all. If BW had something up their sleeve, they would have stayed silent for a while and then released/announced what they had. This statement only hurts them if it were true they had something planned.
If anyone can explain that one to me, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise I remain very VERY sceptical.

I don't know if it's going to answer your question but Ray and the team at Bioware never expected this to happen maybe they thought people would just talk about it a lot and then they would release DLC's that would continue the storie. the problem is that if they did this right now in the heat, some people would get really mad and think they just gave us a game with an incomplete ending. Check in the article how ray stil defend the ending even though it's clearly non-sensical and filled with plot hole. The only way they would back their games ending in my opinion is if they knew this is not complete. beside how can they come up with an additional DLC ending in 3 weeks before paxx ?

OK, so ou reached the same conclusion as I. It is sad, really.

[ZLurps]

@OP

I knew about the EDI before I started playing the game and because for me rest of the game worked very well it was all okay to the point where TIM space magics himself in the Citadel and then Citadel teleported itself in Sol system.
Perhaps "Something is not right" is a bit mild way to say how I felt about it, but basically that was the where it happened to me.

[Ck213]

Arcian wrote...

What's so difficult to understand about Mac and Casey underestimating our intelligence and enjoying the smell of their own farts too much? Anyone who's read the Final Hours thing should realize just how bonkers their reasoning was and that the endings we got really were the final, absolute endings, and that they genuinely liked them and thought we would, too.

I would like to check out that Final Hours, but they're selling it for 3 bucks? I would be tempted if it were available for my Nook Tablet, but it's for Kindle and PC Via pay/pal. Nah.

My final stance on the ending and the point of view I will use when I replay the game:
___________________________________________________________________

I simply reject the given ending, true ending or not.

As far as I am concerned, my Sheps are lying unconscious on the field as Harbinger
attempts a first indoctrination attempt of Shep using the form of the child Shep saw
die and has a strong emotional connection with. It's using that form to weaken his
resolve and make the choice it wants him to make. If Shep accepts the choice, he has
given in to the indoctrination process.

Destruction is the choice Harbinger does not want Shepard to make. He introduces it
first and give reasons not to make that choice. He moves on to the second choice,
Control. And then he finishes with Synthesis, the choice he wants Shepard to make. He
even defends it. It's the choice Saren Arterius made. My Sheps will make the
Destruction choice at full EMS and wake up back on the field because the other two
choices are losing choices. Game Over.

If this is not the true ending then it's a massive plot hole. You don't want your
audience walking away with doubts about your ending, especially questioning if the
ending ever happened at all. That's bad writing. It's a massive plot hole and I'm
jumping in because it's a better alternative.

Modifié par Ck213, 23 mars 2012 - 06:18 .

[Rockpopple]

Put the pieces together. You've almost got it. You're so close!

[Taboo]

Catroi wrote...

- they ****ed up and never will admit it because of their pride

^this

They really,really ****ed up.

[Ck213]

Rockpopple wrote...

Put the pieces together. You've almost got it. You're so close!

What am I missing?

A lot I'm sure. Now I'm waiting to see what comes next from BioWare.
I do have a second Shep in play. I'm looking at the game from a different perspective now.

[Mitra]

I believe that they (BW) did it on purpose. Maybe it's a marketing trick (pretty bad one), maybe they wanted to give "the real ending" only to those who actually paid the game (and leave out of the picture those who use cracked, hacked and pirated games and don't have Origin account), or maybe this was their biggest mistake ever but they had the best intentions and they thought that we would actually like this harassment of so called ending to the best franchise ever?

I really don't know. Why put so much misery on our throats and in our hearts? What's the thing? I hate it. And I will not accept it. Never. I hate this situation with them being so "silent" about it. Where is our trusted BioWare? I hate this feeling!