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[maddlarkin]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

maddlarkin wrote...

I don't want my money back and neither do the vast majority of people on the site, if nothing else glad to help some kids, at least some good came out of a terrible ending

You don't actually know that. The cancelling is all anonymous. Someone can say "Oh I'm totally donating!" while on hold with Paypal asking for their cash back.

Your quite right I don't know that, its an unprovable factor. I am simply going by the posts on the Retake FB page which have been universally repelled at the notion of asking for pledged and donated money back...

I'm therefore having a little faith that most people are honest and doing as they say, is that really so hard to believe?

[taelus.calimshan]

XqctaX wrote...

aslong as i see no proof of this. i will chalk this up to what it is A HITPEICE on the movement.
just as the HITPEICE on that writer supposedly critisising casey and mac.

how can anyone know that anything of this is true at all. BACK UP THE ACCUSTATIONS
or stop slandering the movement. i hate it when people accuse without facts on vague rumours.

how do they know that those that reclaimed there money has anything to do with the movement?
or just donated at the same time as the movement did!!
why is a movement beeing slandered for something an individual is "supposedly" doing?
becoue the movement havent have time to adress the issue yet?

bive me a break with the sensetionalistic accuasations.

This being a false claim makes no sense at all.  Jerry started Child's Play, so he has no strong motivation to act in a way that reduces how much funding it will receive.  More than anything though, he admits that he's in the same camp as the Retake folks, so why would he do something that negatively affects a group he's in support of.  Sorry, but this situation is valid, and as a Retake gent myself, I have to say it's worth an official address to say it's not condoned, asking people to hold to their commitments to the charity.  It's definitely a real article though.

[kbct]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Again I repeat it does not matter how much money it is, it is still a baseless act being done.

I agree. One hundred percent.

Still, it's important to know the details so we can understand what effect it had on the charity.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

kbct wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

That politics thing only works if there is an opposing force. There is no "Anti-Retake" movement going on. This just seems like a simple case of human butt-hattery.

It happens.

People can dream up some fairly sneaky tactics.

Here we are talking about the rat bastards that took money out of the charity when we don't even know how many people did it or the amount taken out.

And as I said, it does not really matter anyway. If people are trying to weasel out, they will get theirs. The point is that there are people who WILL follow through and help some kids out there that need it. That's what matters most.

[Arcadian Legend]

I half expected this.

[The Razman]

kbct wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

That politics thing only works if there is an opposing force. There is no "Anti-Retake" movement going on. This just seems like a simple case of human butt-hattery.

It happens.

People can dream up some fairly sneaky tactics.

Here we are talking about the rat bastards that took money out of the charity when we don't even know how many people did it or the amount taken out.

Do you think PayPal would be getting on Child's Play's back about it if it wasn't a significant number of people?

[Moonshadow_Dark]

maddlarkin wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

maddlarkin wrote...

I don't want my money back and neither do the vast majority of people on the site, if nothing else glad to help some kids, at least some good came out of a terrible ending

You don't actually know that. The cancelling is all anonymous. Someone can say "Oh I'm totally donating!" while on hold with Paypal asking for their cash back.

Your quite right I don't know that, its an unprovable factor. I am simply going by the posts on the Retake FB page which have been universally repelled at the notion of asking for pledged and donated money back...

I'm therefore having a little faith that most people are honest and doing as they say, is that really so hard to believe?

For me, it is, but that may be because I'm a bit of a cynical ass.

What can ya do?

/PinkiePieshrug

[wolfeye7]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Irish286 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

LeifofRohan wrote...

wolfeye7 wrote...

As part of the RetakeMassEffect movement I also find it disgusting that anyone would donate to a charity and then ask for their money back.

However I would like to point out, that I have not actually seen anyone mention wanting their money back. All I've seen within the movement are people as shocked as I am to hear of this turn of events.

Could someone please give me a link which mentions who and how many people have asked for their money back and on what grounds?

Agreed. I haven't either. And I would defently say that the RetakeMassEffect movement doesn't condone this, nor incourages it. It just feels like its being used to make us look bad... again. <_< I donated to Childs Play cause I wanted to. Not because I was like ZOMG I WANT A NEW ENDING SO I'LL USE A CHARITY. It was a good idea from the movement and it helped kids in need. Nuff said.

Indeed. But just because YOU did, does not mean everyone else did. And even if RME does not condone this will not mean some people are not doing it. And they will certainly not tell you straight to your face that they are.

But you donated because YOU wanted to. That's what matters.

We still want proof. Otherwise this is just a smeer job. I see this kind garbabge all the time in the news. One side makes a plausible accusation then the media jumps on the accused with no evidence other than the accusers word...<_< Alright I have a counter. Penny Arcade stopped our Charity drive so they can appease EA.

Why would they stop their OWN charity? Do you really believe that PA would screw over a bunch of kids JUST to make you look bad? Especially AFTER Bioware stated that they were going to take a look at the endings.

Ok, let's not get into an uncalled for fight. We can agree on the following:
1. These people might exist in the RME movement (believe me, I've seen enough of them in everyday life)
2. Such a thing should NOT happen. It's disgusting.

However any of us feel about the endings, I think we can agree on THIS.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

wolfeye7 wrote...


Ok, let's not get into an uncalled for fight. We can agree on the following:
1. These people might exist in the RME movement (believe me, I've seen enough of them in everyday life)
2. Such a thing should NOT happen. It's disgusting.

However any of us feel about the endings, I think we can agree on THIS.

Indeed. And I have stated over and over in this and another thread: Those people will get their taste of Karma. And it will HURT.

[AkiKishi]

I never donated so I don't know how the process works. But how exactly do you take back money you already donated ?

Is this one of those "for just £2 a month" things ?

[kbct]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

And as I said, it does not really matter anyway. If people are trying to weasel out, they will get theirs. The point is that there are people who WILL follow through and help some kids out there that need it. That's what matters most.

Agreed. I believe a vast majority of the people didn't withdraw their donations. I believe a vast majority of the money raised will go the charity.

I also agree that it's wrong to withdraw money from a charity. But I guess we'll focus on those people in this thread.

[Murkman4683]

Stay classy BSN, remember to keep "holding that line", even if it includes taking money back from a charity.

I really enjoy the fact that some even goes as far as arguing how much was taken back!!! Does it really matter, it is a charity, taking money "BACK" from a charity is never a good thing no matter the amount. "Well, we only took back 10%, so, our cause is still just", silly, just silly.

Good luck battling the media on this one.

[kbct]

The Razman wrote...

Do you think PayPal would be getting on Child's Play's back about it if it wasn't a significant number of people?

Let's just see how much of money raised actually goes to the charity. I'm sure it will be a very high percentage.

[GoddessLunatic]

I didn't retract my donation. I don't plan to. I didn't donate because I thought to pressure someone with it but because I wanted to express an opinion in a way that also helps others. Full stop.

[Gryphon7]

I'm going with 30.


Not 30 percent. 30 people.

[maddlarkin]

GoddessLunatic wrote...

I didn't retract my donation. I don't plan to. I didn't donate because I thought to pressure someone with it but because I wanted to express an opinion in a way that also helps others. Full stop.

same here,

[XqctaX]

taelus.calimshan wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

aslong as i see no proof of this. i will chalk this up to what it is A HITPEICE on the movement.
just as the HITPEICE on that writer supposedly critisising casey and mac.

how can anyone know that anything of this is true at all. BACK UP THE ACCUSTATIONS
or stop slandering the movement. i hate it when people accuse without facts on vague rumours.

how do they know that those that reclaimed there money has anything to do with the movement?
or just donated at the same time as the movement did!!
why is a movement beeing slandered for something an individual is "supposedly" doing?
becoue the movement havent have time to adress the issue yet?

bive me a break with the sensetionalistic accuasations.

This being a false claim makes no sense at all.  Jerry started Child's Play, so he has no strong motivation to act in a way that reduces how much funding it will receive.  More than anything though, he admits that he's in the same camp as the Retake folks, so why would he do something that negatively affects a group he's in support of.  Sorry, but this situation is valid, and as a Retake gent myself, I have to say it's worth an official address to say it's not condoned, asking people to hold to their commitments to the charity.  It's definitely a real article though.

thats sad to hear. and i dont for a second understand how those that did reclaim money thing.
but also i must say that these are actions of individuals and not the movement and should be treaded as such.
it bother me to see people accually trying to use this to smear the movement and in a way those people are
just as bad as those that reclaimed there money.
im obviously not accusing you of doing this, its just my thoughts about this hooe thing in generalvation to act in a way

[Eire Icon]

kbct wrote...

What if some people contributed to the charity with the only purpose of taking it back out so we can talk about it in thread like this? You should see how politics works.

That's why it's important to get details. Either the number of people out of the total -or- the dollar amount withdrawn. Then we can see if it's a significant problem.

Right now we don't know much.

Its time to grow up Peter Pan - There is no conspiracy, for goodness sake there's not even a movement. Its just a bunch of people/fans who are upset about the ending to a game (which is fair enough, their opinion is valid). The larger population does not even care about "Retake Mass Effect"

People posting up details of this are not trying to "derail the movement" they're pointing out a disgusting act that a small amount of ME fans have done. Condemn it and move on, quit with the conspiracy theories

I wasn't completely happy with the game ending, it lacked closure for me but I would never have anything to do with the "Retake movement" because of posts such as the ones above demanding a charity show proof that people asked for their donations back.

While the majority may feel the ending is terrible and needs to be redone that does not mean the majority neccesserily support "The movement" and the childish antics carried out under its banner.

"The Movement" to me is quite simply an embarassment  to gamers

[Machazareel]

Anybody attempting to get a refund is a horrible person imo. But don't use this to paint the movement, this is the act of individuals, not anything that's in any way endorse by the retake movement. It's just proof that every group has horrible people in it.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Eire Icon wrote...

kbct wrote...

What if some people contributed to the charity with the only purpose of taking it back out so we can talk about it in thread like this? You should see how politics works.

That's why it's important to get details. Either the number of people out of the total -or- the dollar amount withdrawn. Then we can see if it's a significant problem.

Right now we don't know much.

Its time to grow up Peter Pan - There is no conspiracy, for goodness sake there's not even a movement. Its just a bunch of people/fans who are upset about the ending to a game (which is fair enough, their opinion is valid). The larger population does not even care about "Retake Mass Effect"

People posting up details of this are not trying to "derail the movement" they're pointing out a disgusting act that a small amount of ME fans have done. Condemn it and move on, quit with the conspiracy theories

I wasn't completely happy with the game ending, it lacked closure for me but I would never have anything to do with the "Retake movement" because of posts such as the ones above demanding a charity show proof that people asked for their donations back.

While the majority may feel the ending is terrible and needs to be redone that does not mean the majority neccesserily support "The movement" and the childish antics carried out under its banner.

"The Movement" to me is quite simply an embarassment  to gamers

Icon, come on. Don't belittle the RME. That's just hurtful mudslinging.

[DrGrundle]

When Tycho said "I actually support this cause, but I am a pessimist, and I’m thinking about the next time something like this happens"

I think he was referring to Child's Play and not Retake that he was in support of. IMO he wrote 374 words while somehow not saying anything positive about raising over 70K for a charity.

Sorry people gave you a head ache dealing with donations guy...

[Avissel]

 Not cool.

[OldBreed4816]

This is ridiculous. I donated knowing full well that i was helping children not myself. I in no way want my money back and anyone asking for a refund from a charity that they donated to and were not forced to do so. They should be ashamed. I hope to god they dont get anything from childs play.

[malra]

maddlarkin wrote...

GoddessLunatic wrote...

I didn't retract my donation. I don't plan to. I didn't donate because I thought to pressure someone with it but because I wanted to express an opinion in a way that also helps others. Full stop.

same here,

same for me as well.  also, it could be that some people who donated didn't realize that the charity was associated with penny arcade and that is why they are pulling donations.  don't know for sure, just saying its possible.  if i had known it was penny arcade i probably would have thought twice about it as i have other charities that i prefer to donate to throughout the year and i'm not particularly enamored of penny arcade.  on the bright side, i got to help some sick children so that's always a plus.  i would also like to mention that there seemed to be a problem between paypal and chip-in because it actually took me several different tries to finally be able to make the donation and its possible that some people inadvertantly donated multiple times because of the issue without meaning to.   you know, i could continue with all of the plausible reasons for why someone may ask for a donation back that aren't  necessarily as nefariousor despicable as releasing a blanket statement without proof.

[AkiKishi]

Machazareel wrote...

Anybody attempting to get a refund is a horrible person imo. But don't use this to paint the movement, this is the act of individuals, not anything that's in any way endorse by the retake movement. It's just proof that every group has horrible people in it.

How exactly do you get a refund from a charity ? It makes no sense, unless the accounts they are trying to bill are fake, or the donation is on going like £2 a month stuff you get all over the media. If it's on going and people never realised that when they signed up I don't really see they are doing much wrong.