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[Moonshadow_Dark]

malra wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Machazareel wrote...

Anybody attempting to get a refund is a horrible person imo. But don't use this to paint the movement, this is the act of individuals, not anything that's in any way endorse by the retake movement. It's just proof that every group has horrible people in it.

How exactly do you get a refund from a charity ? It makes no sense, unless the accounts they are trying to bill are fake, or the donation is on going like £2 a month stuff you get all over the media. If it's on going and people never realised that when they signed up I don't really see they are doing much wrong.

I think most of them simply ask for the money back. And since it's done via Paypal and it's online, the donations are anonymous so no one has to deal with dirty looks directed at them like if you were to do the same IRL.

But there is a dirty look bing cast at those people, even online.

The eyes of Karma. She sees ALL.

karma also see people running around making generalized statements without proof.  as someone who donated and has no intention of seeking a refund, i would suggest all unproven statements and generalizations are a bad idea - in light of karma of course.

The only proof we could get is if Paypal reveals the names of those who asked for refunds and those who went through with it. But that would be a breach of privacy and open all kinds of hell.

Look, I get that you guys want to believe that this is all just a troll attempt, that there are people out there who want to discredit the movement. But you guys know this is not what is happening.

Sucks that there are those who do such a thing, but people do it. I don't know why, but they do. And they will pay for it. But people like you? You donated and some kid is going to be very grateful for that. That is what truly matters. It doesn't matter if one person refunds or if everyone but you does. Point is, you donated. And that makes you a hero. One even Commander Shepard would be proud to meet.

[AkiKishi]

Machazareel wrote...
Paypal allows you to contest any transaction made on your account, and you fill in your own description of why you're contesting it. The other party then has a set amount of time to respond/accept to the claim. If they don't respond, the money is automatically returned to your account.

Thanks for the explanation.

[Esoretal]

Guys, not all of the Retakers are doing this... if it's even really happening. But I guess we'll just lump everyone together into one category, because it's easier. :I

Modifié par Esoretal, 23 mars 2012 - 02:34 .

[ExpertKendal]

Murkman4683 wrote...

When will we get an official statement from "Hold the Line", oh that is right, there is no leader, it is just a mishmash of gamers who wanted something, so they dragged a charity into their "good" fight and won. Now they want their money back from that charity and are unequipped to deal with all the negative feedback.

I also feel bad for Bioware and Mass Effect, somehow EA/Bioware is going to have to clean this mess up and for what, a plot-holed video game ending, let me repeat my self, a plot-holed video game ending. There was never anything positive about this movement, everything I have seen have been based around someone getting something, or someone feeling that they deserve something, that they are owed.

It is a joke, this is the society we live in today, we step on/over people, we use people and then toss them as soon as we get what we want.

Can someone please email that Penny Arace article to all the gaming news outlets.

So, this 'mishmash of gamers' that is over 50K strong who want a satisfying ending, as was promised by Bioware, 'dragged a charity' into the fight? Have you even read or understand WHY the Retake movement wanted to donate to a charity? 

Simply put, because of people like YOU

Perhaps you weren't as upset by the endings, how poorly written and executed they were. Perhaps you thought the endings were perfectly fine. That's your opinion, and if that's the case, I respectfully disagree. In order to demonstrate to the gaming media, like Penny Arcade, or IGN, or others, that this movement was not a mishmash, or a group of whiny 12 year olds who didn't get the shiny, happy, rainbow and unicorn, ending, we donated money to a cause to help sick children.

That charity, run by the same folks who happen to run Penny Arcade. Because some media outlets were portraying Child's Play as endorsing and supporting the movement, they asked we no longer make donations. (If a few cold hearted folks in the movement demand money back, that's shame on them. Whoever runs that charity, it does good work and should be applauded.) 

Now, step back a moment and look at this. You have a group of people, 50,000 strong (probably more), who are (for the most part) politely, professionally, asking that Bioware make good on their promises and provide an ending that functions as advertised. To demonstrate it is a group focused on acting in a good, polite, manner, they picked a charity related to the gaming industry and made donations. If you want to argue the politely part, go look at the posts on the boards and Facebook. Make note of the language and tone used, and also note how many different people ask that we keep it on a professional level, and applaud those that DO keep it that way. We do not want a flame war, never did, and will not tolerate it within the group. Keep in mind that the goup as a whole has said ME3 is a great game, EXCEPT FOR the final moments.

Now, you have the gaming media who have been insulting, derogatory, demeaning, and just plain belittling this group because we disagree with how the game ends, and have been vocal about it. The gaming media, and those that agree with them seem to think going the flame war route is perfectly acceptable. Since RetakeME3 doesn't agree, we're all stupid, pathetic, and so on.

Who again, is the group of whiny twelve year olds? Cause from the outside, it certainly appears to be the mainstream media going after the comparatively small group of dissatisfied gamers.

I know which side I'm on, and would remain on, simply for how they handle themselves.

Hold the line.

[Justin24HAVOK]

http://www.forbes.co...ake-mass-effect

What a pr scam to make retake mass effect look bad...

[Arkitekt]

Oh come on this isn't even shocking to know that a small percentage of any kind of group are ****s who shouldn't be there in the first place.

As long as the end result is positive, I will never regard the retake ME movement as being nothing less than spectacularly well directed and made out of brilliant moves overall.

[Machazareel]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

malra wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Machazareel wrote...

Anybody attempting to get a refund is a horrible person imo. But don't use this to paint the movement, this is the act of individuals, not anything that's in any way endorse by the retake movement. It's just proof that every group has horrible people in it.

How exactly do you get a refund from a charity ? It makes no sense, unless the accounts they are trying to bill are fake, or the donation is on going like £2 a month stuff you get all over the media. If it's on going and people never realised that when they signed up I don't really see they are doing much wrong.

I think most of them simply ask for the money back. And since it's done via Paypal and it's online, the donations are anonymous so no one has to deal with dirty looks directed at them like if you were to do the same IRL.

But there is a dirty look bing cast at those people, even online.

The eyes of Karma. She sees ALL.

karma also see people running around making generalized statements without proof.  as someone who donated and has no intention of seeking a refund, i would suggest all unproven statements and generalizations are a bad idea - in light of karma of course.

The only proof we could get is if Paypal reveals the names of those who asked for refunds and those who went through with it. But that would be a breach of privacy and open all kinds of hell.

Look, I get that you guys want to believe that this is all just a troll attempt, that there are people out there who want to discredit the movement. But you guys know this is not what is happening.

Sucks that there are those who do such a thing, but people do it. I don't know why, but they do. And they will pay for it. But people like you? You donated and some kid is going to be very grateful for that. That is what truly matters. It doesn't matter if one person refunds or if everyone but you does. Point is, you donated. And that makes you a hero. One even Commander Shepard would be proud to meet.

I certainly don't think it's a trolling attempt. I think, that just like any other semi-large group in the world, there are individuals within it of questionable character. What I take issue against, however, is how the act of said individuals is being used by some to paint the intentions of everyone involved with this movement. Just reading the main thread for the retake members makes it abundantly clear that the majority of its members think that the act of asking for money back from a children's charity is just as appalling as everyone else thinks it is.

[AkiKishi]

Justin24HAVOK wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...ake-mass-effect

What a pr scam to make retake mass effect look bad...

I see, now that makes sense.

[ShinAnubisXIII]

So again just speculation based on 'hearsay'? Good god, will this conspiracy nightmare never end? What's next? The Illuminati activating a 'kill switch' which let's everyone who didn't like the ending suddenly die?

[Arkitekt]

Justin24HAVOK wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...ake-mass-effect

What a pr scam to make retake mass effect look bad...

Don't be an idiot. Their concerns are legitimate and sound.

[DaJe]

Sipau Fade wrote...

It's funny to see the retake movement use the exact same "pr" tactics to minimize the negative aspects of their movement. That bioware has employed. It's just a vocal minority asking for their money back right? I think this is a good thing. I hope this does blow up in your face so you'll have an understanding of what bioware has been going through. Even if it's just a handful of people, it's completely atrocious and there actions are worse than any "botched" ending ever could have been.

When was the last time you donated anything?

As horrible and spineless as this is, there are no real numbers presented here. This might actually just be a minority, which should have been expected from the start, whereas the opposition towards the ME3 endings is not a minority.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

The PLC wrote...

Esoretal wrote...

Guys, not all of the Retakers are doing this... if it's even really happening. But I guess we'll just lump everyone together into one category, because it's easier. :I

'Retakers'? Really?

Okay I have to agree. That is a terrible name.

[Squallypo]

 
http://www.forbes.co...ke-mass-effect/  

[Solmanian]

hawkens982 wrote...

I think they need to post some examples of those emails supposedly sent. Of course blurb out the contact and names and just give us what is in the email. At least thats showing some proof that people are doing it, instead of just saying oh a bunch of emails were received and this is whats happening. If not, at least post the email from PayPal or something.

Why would they have a rason to sabotage their own charity? Srsly...

[hypothead]

Edit: Hold The Line.

Modifié par hypothead, 23 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[Fuzrum77]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Knew this would happen.

They got what they want, now they are backing out.

You proud of yourselves now, people?

This is why I hate humanity. You SUCK.

I don't know who's doing this, but don't lump us all into the same crowd. I gave money. I would never ask for it back. And yes, I am proud of the thousands of donations and the good we've done. No matter WHAT happens with this game.

[Farbautisonn]

Well. Untill I see evidence Ill call bull****e.

[Solmanian]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Just out of curiosity, I wonder if these people asking for their donations *back* are doing so because of the charity drive being abruptly forced to a halt.

You're confusing the chicken with the egg. The drive has been stopped because of these people asking their money back, not the other way around.

[AkiKishi]

Solmanian wrote...

hawkens982 wrote...

I think they need to post some examples of those emails supposedly sent. Of course blurb out the contact and names and just give us what is in the email. At least thats showing some proof that people are doing it, instead of just saying oh a bunch of emails were received and this is whats happening. If not, at least post the email from PayPal or something.

Why would they have a rason to sabotage their own charity? Srsly...

They don't want the charity to become a pawn in the power struggle. I can kind of see the point, a game is a fairly harmless thing, but less savoury groups could do the same thing to promote their agenda.


“It’s true that we received some negative feedback about the RTM fundraiser, but the real issue that it brought to light was our policy surrounding attaching other, unrelated causes to child’s play. What RTM was doing was very cool and an amazing show what an active community can do, but we were concerned about the slippery slope. For instance, if someone were to create a “support (insert cause X) by donating to child’s play,” you can see how this could cause issues for us.
So our discussion with the RTM folks had little to do with the specifics of their cause, but rather a policy issue we needed to address around fundraisers in general.”

Translation:They don't want the money from that source,because of possible long term effects. 

Modifié par BobSmith101, 23 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Machazareel wrote...


I certainly don't think it's a trolling attempt. I think, that just like any other semi-large group in the world, there are individuals within it of questionable character. What I take issue against, however, is how the act of said individuals is being used by some to paint the intentions of everyone involved with this movement. Just reading the main thread for the retake members makes it abundantly clear that the majority of its members think that the act of asking for money back from a children's charity is just as appalling as everyone else thinks it is.

Yeah, but we do not know who is sincere about this and who is simply saying it to look good. Paypal is online and therefore anonymous. We don't know who is refunding or how many actually are. And we can't know because then those people will say it's a breach of privacy. And efunding from a charity is a d-bag move, but it is not technically illegal. So everyone's kind of in the same "I don't know WTF is going on" boat. If it's only a small number of people refunding, that's good. If it's a large umber, it's sad to hear, but we can't really do anything about it. It's unethical and unmoral (or wahtever the UN of that word is) but it's legal and those people have the right to withdraw their donations. Not much anyone can do....

[Stonewall_Jack]

Short version:

Penny arcade are hypocrites, they rely on child’s play as much as this retake mass effect thing. Without child’s play and PAX penny arcade is a mediocre to bad online comic with at sparse times (to be fair) a decent blog. A good media company has to guts to at least openly come out and say that their advertising numbers go up due to the charity and that the charity as such is in fact a part of the business model. The whole comment about the cause is loaded by the simple fact that it is NOT an organisation (penny arcade) that is solely dedicated to Child’s play.

There is no good or wrong in donating or not donating, thou pledging and not committing is pretty pathetic. I love how everyone is being generalized with phrases such as “people of…” whereas the proper use would be “individuals behind…”, especially as there is a total absence of  actual facts or figures given.

FYI I am not behind this whole retake mass effect 3. What people want to do with their spare time is up to them.

Modifié par Stonewall_Jack, 23 mars 2012 - 02:47 .

[LoneStorm]

Fuzrum77 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Knew this would happen.

They got what they want, now they are backing out.

You proud of yourselves now, people?

This is why I hate humanity. You SUCK.

I don't know who's doing this, but don't lump us all into the same crowd. I gave money. I would never ask for it back. And yes, I am proud of the thousands of donations and the good we've done. No matter WHAT happens with this game.

Same. I don't want to be smeared and associated with them OR those who have been making death threats to Bioware employees.

Civilly holding the line.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Fuzrum77 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Knew this would happen.

They got what they want, now they are backing out.

You proud of yourselves now, people?

This is why I hate humanity. You SUCK.

I don't know who's doing this, but don't lump us all into the same crowd. I gave money. I would never ask for it back. And yes, I am proud of the thousands of donations and the good we've done. No matter WHAT happens with this game.

I'm not lumping the RME.

I just hate humanity.

[Menethra]

Generalisation is the mother of all **** ups, dont blame the majority for the acts of a few,