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[kbct]

Eire Icon wrote...

The "Movement" is not going to damage the companies sales, they are just a vocal representation of the disappointment of allot of fans.

Those fans will decide personally whether to cease buying Bioware products - not "The movement"

The movement raises awareness. A number of news articles talk about it. More people read about the ending mess. Some decide not to purchase the game. It hurts sales.

[Squallypo]

Fuzrum77 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Knew this would happen.

They got what they want, now they are backing out.

You proud of yourselves now, people?

This is why I hate humanity. You SUCK.

I don't know who's doing this, but don't lump us all into the same crowd. I gave money. I would never ask for it back. And yes, I am proud of the thousands of donations and the good we've done. No matter WHAT happens with this game.

me too  this is really dissapointing though and im sure they decided to call it off ( childs play) for obvious trollers that were trying to give us the bad image of the group/movement. what a dissapointment indeed.


BTW : if you read my sig V you can tell it says HOLD THE LINE HELP THE CHILDREN , not hold the line help the childrens and achieve an ending..<_< im so upset right now.

Modifié par Squallypo, 23 mars 2012 - 02:47 .

[Eire Icon]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Icon, come on. Don't belittle the RME. That's just hurtful mudslinging.

No hurtful mudslinging intended, as I have said previously allot of the people who are campagining for change are passionate about Mass Effect, they conduct themselves in civil and dignified manner. They're constructive and are highlighting problems and looking for possible solutions. Once again I absolutely applaud these people, they are a credit to the forum, and Bioware are lucky to have them as community members - My view on this has not changed

However as I have also previously said their are others under the retake banner who are rude, patronising and have no regard for anyone elses opinion but their own. When Bioware post something they jump on it, twist it, and then analyze and reanalyze it. They seem to be more concerned about "The Movement" then they are about "The Video-Game"

And I have to say, its only my opinion, but anytime I see these "Hold the Line" posts I cringe, I just find it incredibly childish

[Moondoggie]

It was obviously going to happen. The whole using the children for publicity was obvious from the start. None of these people would give a dime to charity unless it helps them get what they want.

Charity and giving to causes you believe in should be a personal thing not something that makes your own cause look good and taking money away from these needy kids who got used in this way just shows what sort of people jumped on the bandwagon of this group. Shines a spotlight on the "me me me" attitude of many gamers and people in general.

[Jayce]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...


That politics thing only works if there is an opposing force. There is no "Anti-Retake" movement going on. This just seems like a simple case of human butt-hattery.

It happens.

There's plenty of people who'v been opposed to RT3 and gone out of their way to be vocal about it. One only has to read through some of the vitriol on BSN to know they're out there. They'll also be the people crowing Tycho's statement from the rooftops with the least amount of context.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least  if some of them had trolled the donation drive to undermine it.

Then again it wouldn't surprise if some people were stupid enough to think they were paying for a new ending...

Modifié par Jayce F, 23 mars 2012 - 02:48 .

[Fuzrum77]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Fuzrum77 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Knew this would happen.

They got what they want, now they are backing out.

You proud of yourselves now, people?

This is why I hate humanity. You SUCK.

I don't know who's doing this, but don't lump us all into the same crowd. I gave money. I would never ask for it back. And yes, I am proud of the thousands of donations and the good we've done. No matter WHAT happens with this game.

I'm not lumping the RME.

I just hate humanity.

Well, yeah, I can understand feeling that way sometimes. (Like now) But remember: the way our media is now, and has been for a long time, you rarely hear about all the good that's being done out there. That kind of news just isn't "juicy" enough for us anymore. Which is admittedly very sad.

[Machazareel]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Machazareel wrote...


I certainly don't think it's a trolling attempt. I think, that just like any other semi-large group in the world, there are individuals within it of questionable character. What I take issue against, however, is how the act of said individuals is being used by some to paint the intentions of everyone involved with this movement. Just reading the main thread for the retake members makes it abundantly clear that the majority of its members think that the act of asking for money back from a children's charity is just as appalling as everyone else thinks it is.

Yeah, but we do not know who is sincere about this and who is simply saying it to look good. Paypal is online and therefore anonymous. We don't know who is refunding or how many actually are. And we can't know because then those people will say it's a breach of privacy. And efunding from a charity is a d-bag move, but it is not technically illegal. So everyone's kind of in the same "I don't know WTF is going on" boat. If it's only a small number of people refunding, that's good. If it's a large umber, it's sad to hear, but we can't really do anything about it. It's unethical and unmoral (or wahtever the UN of that word is) but it's legal and those people have the right to withdraw their donations. Not much anyone can do....

I agree, but I think the most telling information we can eventually hope for is the final sum that the charity has when the dust settles. I'd like to believe that there won't be a significant dip in the total, but one can never really know how many d-bags there are due to the anonymity you speak of.

I'm disgusted at the thought of only a couple people doing this, if it turns out that a large amount of people have, then I'll have lost even more faith in humanity as a whole.

[Arkitekt]

Jayce F wrote...

It wouldn't surprise me in least  if some of them had trolled the donation drive to undermine it.

There is a mountain of difference between being "not surprised" if certain trolling has happened and actually having knowledge / evidence that this is what essentially happened here.

[Kaiser Shepard]

The PLC wrote...

Esoretal wrote...

Guys, not all of the Retakers are doing this... if it's even really happening. But I guess we'll just lump everyone together into one category, because it's easier. :I

'Retakers'? Really?

Well, they are trying to retake the money they gave to charity, so I suppose the name fits.

[wolfeye7]

Moondoggie wrote...

It was obviously going to happen. The whole using the children for publicity was obvious from the start. None of these people would give a dime to charity unless it helps them get what they want.

Charity and giving to causes you believe in should be a personal thing not something that makes your own cause look good and taking money away from these needy kids who got used in this way just shows what sort of people jumped on the bandwagon of this group. Shines a spotlight on the "me me me" attitude of many gamers and people in general.

I'm...sorry you feel that way

[AkiKishi]

Moondoggie wrote...

It was obviously going to happen. The whole using the children for publicity was obvious from the start. None of these people would give a dime to charity unless it helps them get what they want.

Charity and giving to causes you believe in should be a personal thing not something that makes your own cause look good and taking money away from these needy kids who got used in this way just shows what sort of people jumped on the bandwagon of this group. Shines a spotlight on the "me me me" attitude of many gamers and people in general.

Thats kind of true of all charity donations. Unless you believe in the altruistic human of course

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Jayce F wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...


That politics thing only works if there is an opposing force. There is no "Anti-Retake" movement going on. This just seems like a simple case of human butt-hattery.

It happens.

There's plenty of people who'v been opposed to RT3 and gone out of their way to be vocal about it. One only has to read through some of the vitriol on BSN to know they're out there. The'll also be the people crowing Tycho's statement from the rooftops with the least amount of context.

It wouldn't surprise me in least  if some of them had trolled the donation drive to undermine it.

There may be people who disagree on how the movement does it's business, but I don't think someone would really pretend to donate then withdraw just to shut down the RME. I mean, what would the point be? What would anyone gain from it? It's not like the new endings would overwrite saved games or anything.

[zigamortis]

How this rumor got started i will never know but retake me3 did not ask for money back. and if we had our way we would still be donating but unfortunately child's play was pressured into putting a cap on how much money we could donate from people sending feedback because they thought they were siding with RME3. Tbh that is despicable to do even if you don't like RME3

[Jayce]

Arkitekt wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

It wouldn't surprise me in least  if some of them had trolled the donation drive to undermine it.

There is a mountain of difference between being "not surprised" if certain trolling has happened and actually having knowledge / evidence that this is what essentially happened here.

Same goes for the amount of returns asked for. Over 5000 people donated, yet it takes only one to ask for a refund for Tycho's statement to be true. Yet everyone who donated is now being tarred with the same brush.

[Stonewall_Jack]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

I'm not lumping the RME.

I just hate humanity.

What did you ever do to improve or help humanity or is your complaint here the epitome of your grand contribution? From someone who actual does charity works -

Modifié par Stonewall_Jack, 23 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Machazareel wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Machazareel wrote...


I certainly don't think it's a trolling attempt. I think, that just like any other semi-large group in the world, there are individuals within it of questionable character. What I take issue against, however, is how the act of said individuals is being used by some to paint the intentions of everyone involved with this movement. Just reading the main thread for the retake members makes it abundantly clear that the majority of its members think that the act of asking for money back from a children's charity is just as appalling as everyone else thinks it is.

Yeah, but we do not know who is sincere about this and who is simply saying it to look good. Paypal is online and therefore anonymous. We don't know who is refunding or how many actually are. And we can't know because then those people will say it's a breach of privacy. And efunding from a charity is a d-bag move, but it is not technically illegal. So everyone's kind of in the same "I don't know WTF is going on" boat. If it's only a small number of people refunding, that's good. If it's a large umber, it's sad to hear, but we can't really do anything about it. It's unethical and unmoral (or wahtever the UN of that word is) but it's legal and those people have the right to withdraw their donations. Not much anyone can do....

I agree, but I think the most telling information we can eventually hope for is the final sum that the charity has when the dust settles. I'd like to believe that there won't be a significant dip in the total, but one can never really know how many d-bags there are due to the anonymity you speak of.

I'm disgusted at the thought of only a couple people doing this, if it turns out that a large amount of people have, then I'll have lost even more faith in humanity as a whole.

Well you may lose faith, but you will renew faith for a child when you donate.

That kind of makes up for it, right?

[Jayce]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...


That politics thing only works if there is an opposing force. There is no "Anti-Retake" movement going on. This just seems like a simple case of human butt-hattery.

It happens.

There's plenty of people who'v been opposed to RT3 and gone out of their way to be vocal about it. One only has to read through some of the vitriol on BSN to know they're out there. The'll also be the people crowing Tycho's statement from the rooftops with the least amount of context.

It wouldn't surprise me in least  if some of them had trolled the donation drive to undermine it.

There may be people who disagree on how the movement does it's business, but I don't think someone would really pretend to donate then withdraw just to shut down the RME. I mean, what would the point be? What would anyone gain from it? It's not like the new endings would overwrite saved games or anything.

I have no idea. Why do trolls troll anything? Why did that crazy **** in florida burn down a 3500 Cypress tree? Who knows.

Modifié par Jayce F, 23 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[Solmanian]

aznsoisauce wrote...

For people that expect to get something in return when donating to charity...There are things like The Humble Bundle.

The scandal with the humble bundle, is that it shows how cheap people are... I remember PA did a piece about how a majority of the buyers payed less than a dollar... Kinda explains why piracy is so succesful. it offers the custumers the only price gamers seem to like: free.

[Everwarden]

citizenEXTINCT wrote...

You realize that's not EVERYONE from Retake, right?

I'm betting it's two people (of tens of thousands), and Penny Arcade just neglected to mention that.

Hell, it could be a fanboy trying to make the cause look bad.

[Abirn]

ITT we lie and slander people who donate to charity. Real classy EA.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Stonewall_Jack wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

I'm not lumping the RME.

I just hate humanity.

What did you ever do to improve or help humanity or is your complaint here the epitomone. From someone who actual does charity works -

There is no "helping" humanity short of a mass extinction.

Humanity sucks. There are a few good eggs, but mosre often than not, people do something that makes you wish you were another species.

I would rather be a squirrel.

[Machazareel]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Machazareel wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Machazareel wrote...


I certainly don't think it's a trolling attempt. I think, that just like any other semi-large group in the world, there are individuals within it of questionable character. What I take issue against, however, is how the act of said individuals is being used by some to paint the intentions of everyone involved with this movement. Just reading the main thread for the retake members makes it abundantly clear that the majority of its members think that the act of asking for money back from a children's charity is just as appalling as everyone else thinks it is.

Yeah, but we do not know who is sincere about this and who is simply saying it to look good. Paypal is online and therefore anonymous. We don't know who is refunding or how many actually are. And we can't know because then those people will say it's a breach of privacy. And efunding from a charity is a d-bag move, but it is not technically illegal. So everyone's kind of in the same "I don't know WTF is going on" boat. If it's only a small number of people refunding, that's good. If it's a large umber, it's sad to hear, but we can't really do anything about it. It's unethical and unmoral (or wahtever the UN of that word is) but it's legal and those people have the right to withdraw their donations. Not much anyone can do....

I agree, but I think the most telling information we can eventually hope for is the final sum that the charity has when the dust settles. I'd like to believe that there won't be a significant dip in the total, but one can never really know how many d-bags there are due to the anonymity you speak of.

I'm disgusted at the thought of only a couple people doing this, if it turns out that a large amount of people have, then I'll have lost even more faith in humanity as a whole.

Well you may lose faith, but you will renew faith for a child when you donate.

That kind of makes up for it, right?

Excellent point.

[Moondoggie]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

It was obviously going to happen. The whole using the children for publicity was obvious from the start. None of these people would give a dime to charity unless it helps them get what they want.

Charity and giving to causes you believe in should be a personal thing not something that makes your own cause look good and taking money away from these needy kids who got used in this way just shows what sort of people jumped on the bandwagon of this group. Shines a spotlight on the "me me me" attitude of many gamers and people in general.

Thats kind of true of all charity donations. Unless you believe in the altruistic human of course

Charity organisations themselves are not what i was talking about. What i am talking about is hiding behind a charity to get what you want. Giving to charity is fine but people started pushing it out there with all the other propaganda to a point where the charity and it's goals no longer became important. It was just another tool.

That personally makes me feel very sad to see charitable causes used in this way. It's not the only case of it ever happening but since it's a relevant subject on this website and regarding a game series i love i feel let down by my fellow fans that they have used charity in this way just to push their own agenda.

Charity should never have been attached to the "Retake ME3" movement and they should have pursued their goals with meaningful dialogue instead of propaganda tools and spam.

[Solmanian]

wolfeye7 wrote...

As part of the RetakeMassEffect movement I also find it disgusting that anyone would donate to a charity and then ask for their money back.

However I would like to point out, that I have not actually seen anyone mention wanting their money back. All I've seen within the movement are people as shocked as I am to hear of this turn of events.

Could someone please give me a link which mentions who and how many people have asked for their money back and on what grounds?

You expect that will post on facebook: "Hey, I was tricked into donating to charity! And I hate sick children!"? You have to be a real sociopath to do that, instead of asking their money anonimosly from paypal...

[Eire Icon]

Moondoggie wrote...

It was obviously going to happen. The whole using the children for publicity was obvious from the start. None of these people would give a dime to charity unless it helps them get what they want.

Charity and giving to causes you believe in should be a personal thing not something that makes your own cause look good and taking money away from these needy kids who got used in this way just shows what sort of people jumped on the bandwagon of this group. Shines a spotlight on the "me me me" attitude of many gamers and people in general.

I'm not a fan of the "Retake Movement" but thats not fair. We have no idea how charitable or uncharitable people are. The money raised is a good thing regardless of anything else