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[Mylia Stenetch]

zigamortis wrote...

How this rumor got started i will never know but retake me3 did not ask for money back. and if we had our way we would still be donating but unfortunately child's play was pressured into putting a cap on how much money we could donate from people sending feedback because they thought they were siding with RME3. Tbh that is despicable to do even if you don't like RME3

For this did you talk to every person who donated? People could of been naieve or stupid and donated money without thinking it was for, people do it all the time. Also for people calling for documents about who backed out on this, (which infringes privacy rights people have). What proof do you have on this issue they were pressused by anyone? They could of done this on their own doing as an organization to curb issues like this happening in the future. Exploiting charaties for your own gain.

Also for people claiming people are just labeling it as everyone in the Retake group, you should look in this thread. Alot of people are not supporting the idea of backing out and are saying individuals are in the wrong not the group.

[Alexraptor1]

The funny think about all this RME trashing, is that not everyone who donated through the fundraiser was part of the RME movement.... It was open to everyone.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Jayce F wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...


That politics thing only works if there is an opposing force. There is no "Anti-Retake" movement going on. This just seems like a simple case of human butt-hattery.

It happens.

There's plenty of people who'v been opposed to RT3 and gone out of their way to be vocal about it. One only has to read through some of the vitriol on BSN to know they're out there. The'll also be the people crowing Tycho's statement from the rooftops with the least amount of context.

It wouldn't surprise me in least  if some of them had trolled the donation drive to undermine it.

There may be people who disagree on how the movement does it's business, but I don't think someone would really pretend to donate then withdraw just to shut down the RME. I mean, what would the point be? What would anyone gain from it? It's not like the new endings would overwrite saved games or anything.

I have no idea. Why do trolls troll anything? Why did that crazy **** in florida burn down a 3500 Cypress tree? Who knows.

It seems much more plausable that maybe some people are total d-bags.

As long as there are people who did donate and follow through, then it does not matter. The donations were not made for looks. You donated because you cared.

[Kataigida]

I don't know if this has been said yet (and I am in not way supporting the actions of the people that are taking away from CHARITY), but recently Child's Play took down the 'Retake Mass Effect' portion of their drive, saying that they don't want to be a tool for some movement to use. It is possible that some people were offended by THAT and want their money back...but that's still a load a bull since the money is all for charity...but I'd rather believe that then the fact that they want their money back just because they got some PR-jumbo saying that the development team is 'working on something that will help provide closure.' They still haven't said if it WILL be released, in what form it will be (such as an ending), or how long/good it will be.

Just I side note, I still don't support people withdrawing their money from charity for any reason. That's just dumb. (unless they find out the charity was just using their money for their own benefit)

[AkiKishi]

Moondoggie wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

It was obviously going to happen. The whole using the children for publicity was obvious from the start. None of these people would give a dime to charity unless it helps them get what they want.

Charity and giving to causes you believe in should be a personal thing not something that makes your own cause look good and taking money away from these needy kids who got used in this way just shows what sort of people jumped on the bandwagon of this group. Shines a spotlight on the "me me me" attitude of many gamers and people in general.

Thats kind of true of all charity donations. Unless you believe in the altruistic human of course

Charity organisations themselves are not what i was talking about. What i am talking about is hiding behind a charity to get what you want. Giving to charity is fine but people started pushing it out there with all the other propaganda to a point where the charity and it's goals no longer became important. It was just another tool.

That personally makes me feel very sad to see charitable causes used in this way. It's not the only case of it ever happening but since it's a relevant subject on this website and regarding a game series i love i feel let down by my fellow fans that they have used charity in this way just to push their own agenda.

Charity should never have been attached to the "Retake ME3" movement and they should have pursued their goals with meaningful dialogue instead of propaganda tools and spam.

What I was pointing out that unless you believe in the altruistic human everyone has an agenda when it comes to giving to charity.

The whole charity thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth, like how Pampers donate 1p for vaccines when you buy them.Using charities to boost your agenda is nothing new. 

[Strategyking92]

Ok bioware employee #87.

Seriously, this thread is the definition of propaganda.
First of all, you do not know the motives behind the refunds, maybe it's because penny arcade basically just said "screw off, we don't want your donations".
Secondly.... Well you paint it as all the members of retake, when it is probably only like 10 or so of the worst examples of humanity, which every group has.

Thirdly, you don't even have the game registered, so you shouldn't be allowed to bash the people who actually do own the game.


Game. Set. Match.

[Fuzrum77]

I have to have faith that the folks retracting their money is a very small minority. And this thread is going to spawn all sorts of fighting, and I don't think anything I or anyone says will stop that. But no matter what: remember this charity was a good thing. I'm with the Retake Mass Effect 3 movement, but even if Bioware doesn't change or add a single thing, this was a good thing. And I'm happy to have given.

The reason for giving to a charity doesn't matter. (Tax breaks, making a point of view more public, you're personally affected by the charity's cause, etc. Whatever.) Doesn't matter. What matters is somebody who needed it was helped. I hope we can all at least agree on that.

[Ravax]

ExpertKendal wrote...

So, this 'mishmash of gamers' that is over 50K strong who want a satisfying ending, as was promised by Bioware, 'dragged a charity' into the fight? Have you even read or understand WHY the Retake movement wanted to donate to a charity? 

Simply put, because of people like YOU

Perhaps you weren't as upset by the endings, how poorly written and executed they were. Perhaps you thought the endings were perfectly fine. That's your opinion, and if that's the case, I respectfully disagree. In order to demonstrate to the gaming media, like Penny Arcade, or IGN, or others, that this movement was not a mishmash, or a group of whiny 12 year olds who didn't get the shiny, happy, rainbow and unicorn, ending, we donated money to a cause to help sick children.

That charity, run by the same folks who happen to run Penny Arcade. Because some media outlets were portraying Child's Play as endorsing and supporting the movement, they asked we no longer make donations. (If a few cold hearted folks in the movement demand money back, that's shame on them. Whoever runs that charity, it does good work and should be applauded.) 

Now, step back a moment and look at this. You have a group of people, 50,000 strong (probably more), who are (for the most part) politely, professionally, asking that Bioware make good on their promises and provide an ending that functions as advertised. To demonstrate it is a group focused on acting in a good, polite, manner, they picked a charity related to the gaming industry and made donations. If you want to argue the politely part, go look at the posts on the boards and Facebook. Make note of the language and tone used, and also note how many different people ask that we keep it on a professional level, and applaud those that DO keep it that way. We do not want a flame war, never did, and will not tolerate it within the group. Keep in mind that the goup as a whole has said ME3 is a great game, EXCEPT FOR the final moments.

Now, you have the gaming media who have been insulting, derogatory, demeaning, and just plain belittling this group because we disagree with how the game ends, and have been vocal about it. The gaming media, and those that agree with them seem to think going the flame war route is perfectly acceptable. Since RetakeME3 doesn't agree, we're all stupid, pathetic, and so on.

Who again, is the group of whiny twelve year olds? Cause from the outside, it certainly appears to be the mainstream media going after the comparatively small group of dissatisfied gamers.

I know which side I'm on, and would remain on, simply for how they handle themselves.

Hold the line.

I couldn't have said it better myself.. +1

[Strategyking92]

Fuzrum77 wrote...

I have to have faith that the folks retracting their money is a very small minority. And this thread is going to spawn all sorts of fighting, and I don't think anything I or anyone says will stop that. But no matter what: remember this charity was a good thing. I'm with the Retake Mass Effect 3 movement, but even if Bioware doesn't change or add a single thing, this was a good thing. And I'm happy to have given.

The reason for giving to a charity doesn't matter. (Tax breaks, making a point of view more public, you're personally affected by the charity's cause, etc. Whatever.) Doesn't matter. What matters is somebody who needed it was helped. I hope we can all at least agree on that.

I mean just think about the people who told us this was going on: penny arcade. They hate the movement. What better way to paint the supporters in the wrong light and justifying their own dickery than by saying people are asking for refunds? I'm not doubting it's true, but it's not a big problem like they would like to tell us it is.

[Eire Icon]

Everwarden wrote...

citizenEXTINCT wrote...

You realize that's not EVERYONE from Retake, right?

I'm betting it's two people (of tens of thousands), and Penny Arcade just neglected to mention that.

Hell, it could be a fanboy trying to make the cause look bad.

A woman was standing on the side of the road watching the St Patricks day parade go by
As she watched she noticed the school band going by, comprised of thirty 8-12  year olds marching while playing musical instruments
All the children were marching in step apart from one single young boy
The woman thought, oh my goodness how embarassing for that poor boys parents
looking around she noticed one parent absolutely beaming with joy and pride, excitingly pointing at the boy
The woman went over and asked why this mother was so pleased
"Look look", she exclaimed, everybody is marching out of step except my Johnny

[Sundance31us]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...
There is no "helping" humanity short of a mass extinction.

Humanity sucks. There are a few good eggs, but mosre often than not, people do something that makes you wish you were another species.

I would rather be a squirrel.

"Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves." -- Oddball (Kelly's Heros 1970)

Try to look on the bright side...at least humans don't live forever.

[MissMaster_2]

wolfeye7 wrote...

As part of the RetakeMassEffect movement I also find it disgusting that anyone would donate to a charity and then ask for their money back.

However I would like to point out, that I have not actually seen anyone mention wanting their money back. All I've seen within the movement are people as shocked as I am to hear of this turn of events.

Could someone please give me a link which mentions who and how many people have asked for their money back and on what grounds?

This. I bet it was just one guy. lol.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Sundance31us wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...
There is no "helping" humanity short of a mass extinction.

Humanity sucks. There are a few good eggs, but mosre often than not, people do something that makes you wish you were another species.

I would rather be a squirrel.

"Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves." -- Oddball (Kelly's Heros 1970)

Try to look on the bright side...at least humans don't live forever.

Still wanna be a squirrel.

Squirrels are awesome. Like my Lord & Master....FOAMY!

[General Tiberius]

zigamortis wrote...

How this rumor got started i will never know but retake me3 did not ask for money back. and if we had our way we would still be donating but unfortunately child's play was pressured into putting a cap on how much money we could donate from people sending feedback because they thought they were siding with RME3. Tbh that is despicable to do even if you don't like RME3

Riiiight. Tycho is lying to us.

He disagreed with how RME3 was using the charity (giving money to raise awareness of the RME3 campaign instead of Child's Play itself) and so decided to stop any more donations.

That is perfectly fair. He is saying that giving money to charity is good but you shouldn't use that giving to further your own ends. Giving to the charity should be the end. If RME3 had just gathered up all the people who didn't like the endings with the sole pourpose of donating to Child's Play, without any mention of asking for new endings or any of that, then Tycho and Child's Play would still be accepting donations.

As it was you ended up with what is obviously quite a few misguided and confused people who were not entirely clear on exactly what they were giving money to. This has led to problems for Child's Play in the form of a lot of communication from these confused people, these confused people asking PayPal to cancel their transaction and people not attached to RME3 commenting that they don't see how getting a new ME3 ending is connected to the mission of the charity, helping children in hospital through games and toys. These are all fair points, not a conspiracy.

If Tycho had been pressured by anyone into closing down the RME3 charity drive then you can be damn sure he'd be saying it. Anyone trying to interfere with his charity for the sole purpose of closing down donations would suffer the full force of his and Gabe's internet wrath.

[hypothead]

ExpertKendal wrote...

So, this 'mishmash of gamers' that is over 50K strong who want a satisfying ending, as was promised by Bioware, 'dragged a charity' into the fight? Have you even read or understand WHY the Retake movement wanted to donate to a charity? 

Simply put, because of people like YOU

Perhaps you weren't as upset by the endings, how poorly written and executed they were. Perhaps you thought the endings were perfectly fine. That's your opinion, and if that's the case, I respectfully disagree. In order to demonstrate to the gaming media, like Penny Arcade, or IGN, or others, that this movement was not a mishmash, or a group of whiny 12 year olds who didn't get the shiny, happy, rainbow and unicorn, ending, we donated money to a cause to help sick children.

That charity, run by the same folks who happen to run Penny Arcade. Because some media outlets were portraying Child's Play as endorsing and supporting the movement, they asked we no longer make donations. (If a few cold hearted folks in the movement demand money back, that's shame on them. Whoever runs that charity, it does good work and should be applauded.) 

Now, step back a moment and look at this. You have a group of people, 50,000 strong (probably more), who are (for the most part) politely, professionally, asking that Bioware make good on their promises and provide an ending that functions as advertised. To demonstrate it is a group focused on acting in a good, polite, manner, they picked a charity related to the gaming industry and made donations. If you want to argue the politely part, go look at the posts on the boards and Facebook. Make note of the language and tone used, and also note how many different people ask that we keep it on a professional level, and applaud those that DO keep it that way. We do not want a flame war, never did, and will not tolerate it within the group. Keep in mind that the goup as a whole has said ME3 is a great game, EXCEPT FOR the final moments.

Now, you have the gaming media who have been insulting, derogatory, demeaning, and just plain belittling this group because we disagree with how the game ends, and have been vocal about it. The gaming media, and those that agree with them seem to think going the flame war route is perfectly acceptable. Since RetakeME3 doesn't agree, we're all stupid, pathetic, and so on.

Who again, is the group of whiny twelve year olds? Cause from the outside, it certainly appears to be the mainstream media going after the comparatively small group of dissatisfied gamers.

I know which side I'm on, and would remain on, simply for how they handle themselves.

Hold the line.

^^^This has renewed my faith.

[MissMaster_2]

Everwarden wrote...

citizenEXTINCT wrote...

You realize that's not EVERYONE from Retake, right?

I'm betting it's two people (of tens of thousands), and Penny Arcade just neglected to mention that.

Hell, it could be a fanboy trying to make the cause look bad.

This. I want a direct link to those people saying they want money back or it did not happen.

[lokiarchetype]

Tens of thousands of dollars were donated

Some were taken back.

Do we even know how much?

Let's put this into perspective... Even if it was $10,000, which I very much doubt it was, that would only be 1/8 of the money that was raised.

But yes, clearly that automatically invalidates the rest of the donations and the drive is ruined forever and humanity is hopeless.

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 23 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[Farbautisonn]

Moondoggie wrote...

It was obviously going to happen. The whole using the children for publicity was obvious from the start. None of these people would give a dime to charity unless it helps them get what they want.

Charity and giving to causes you believe in should be a personal thing not something that makes your own cause look good and taking money away from these needy kids who got used in this way just shows what sort of people jumped on the bandwagon of this group. Shines a spotlight on the "me me me" attitude of many gamers and people in general.

-You mean like bioware when they gave 1k to an Anti bullying charity in canada over the latest "Bash the writer" incident? 

[Mylia Stenetch]

Strategyking92 wrote...

Fuzrum77 wrote...

I have to have faith that the folks retracting their money is a very small minority. And this thread is going to spawn all sorts of fighting, and I don't think anything I or anyone says will stop that. But no matter what: remember this charity was a good thing. I'm with the Retake Mass Effect 3 movement, but even if Bioware doesn't change or add a single thing, this was a good thing. And I'm happy to have given.

The reason for giving to a charity doesn't matter. (Tax breaks, making a point of view more public, you're personally affected by the charity's cause, etc. Whatever.) Doesn't matter. What matters is somebody who needed it was helped. I hope we can all at least agree on that.

I mean just think about the people who told us this was going on: penny arcade. They hate the movement. What better way to paint the supporters in the wrong light and justifying their own dickery than by saying people are asking for refunds? I'm not doubting it's true, but it's not a big problem like they would like to tell us it is.

That is some nice slander there against people who run this charity. Could you cite some proof on this?

[Jayce]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

It seems much more plausable that maybe some people are total d-bags.

Yep doucheness and trolling aren't mutually exclusive though.

As long as there are people who did donate and follow through, then it does not matter. The donations were not made for looks. You donated because you cared.

Damn right we did! Most of us anyway  <_<  

[Fuzrum77]

I wish Child' Play or Penny Arcade would publish the total amount they received from the drive (minus the sad individuals who wanted their money back), but they won't. They don't want to give any press toward Retake Mass Effect 3. That's unfortunate, but I'm not condemning them. It's just unfortunate.

But no matter what: the net result is there was a charity drive. Sick kids benefited. So do all yourselves a favor and turn down the hatred toward humanity a little bit. It's not healthy for you. It's not healthy for anybody.

[Squallypo]

Ravax wrote...

ExpertKendal wrote...

So, this 'mishmash of gamers' that is over 50K strong who want a satisfying ending, as was promised by Bioware, 'dragged a charity' into the fight? Have you even read or understand WHY the Retake movement wanted to donate to a charity? 

Simply put, because of people like YOU

Perhaps you weren't as upset by the endings, how poorly written and executed they were. Perhaps you thought the endings were perfectly fine. That's your opinion, and if that's the case, I respectfully disagree. In order to demonstrate to the gaming media, like Penny Arcade, or IGN, or others, that this movement was not a mishmash, or a group of whiny 12 year olds who didn't get the shiny, happy, rainbow and unicorn, ending, we donated money to a cause to help sick children.

That charity, run by the same folks who happen to run Penny Arcade. Because some media outlets were portraying Child's Play as endorsing and supporting the movement, they asked we no longer make donations. (If a few cold hearted folks in the movement demand money back, that's shame on them. Whoever runs that charity, it does good work and should be applauded.) 

Now, step back a moment and look at this. You have a group of people, 50,000 strong (probably more), who are (for the most part) politely, professionally, asking that Bioware make good on their promises and provide an ending that functions as advertised. To demonstrate it is a group focused on acting in a good, polite, manner, they picked a charity related to the gaming industry and made donations. If you want to argue the politely part, go look at the posts on the boards and Facebook. Make note of the language and tone used, and also note how many different people ask that we keep it on a professional level, and applaud those that DO keep it that way. We do not want a flame war, never did, and will not tolerate it within the group. Keep in mind that the goup as a whole has said ME3 is a great game, EXCEPT FOR the final moments.

Now, you have the gaming media who have been insulting, derogatory, demeaning, and just plain belittling this group because we disagree with how the game ends, and have been vocal about it. The gaming media, and those that agree with them seem to think going the flame war route is perfectly acceptable. Since RetakeME3 doesn't agree, we're all stupid, pathetic, and so on.

Who again, is the group of whiny twelve year olds? Cause from the outside, it certainly appears to be the mainstream media going after the comparatively small group of dissatisfied gamers.

I know which side I'm on, and would remain on, simply for how they handle themselves.

Hold the line.

I couldn't have said it better myself.. +1

agreed... i donated myself cause i wanted to help the charity not cause i knew i would "obtain" the ending yes or yes. sigh

[lordhugorune]

Don't know what's worse, that some people actually hassle a charity to get a donation back because they thought they were attaching conditions to the donation (despite that not being the charity's business), or that some people on BSN use that as a way to bash the entire 'Retake Mass Effect' campaign, which was a campaign done entirely with the best intentions, even if not everyone understood it or agreed with it. Either way, we're not covering ourselves in glory here as a community.

[Farbautisonn]

I for one would very much like to see how many wanted their cash back, out of how many doners and see if the percentile (if that) validates making this a reason to go public with. If it does. fine. If it does not, then it amounts to little more than a smear.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Jayce F wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

It seems much more plausable that maybe some people are total d-bags.

Yep doucheness and trolling aren't mutually exclusive though.

Trolls do it for laughs.

Douches do it for themselves.