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[Sarah Aran]

http://www.escapistm...7-Mass-Effect-3

Posted this here just incase some people find the review spoilerish. I find it quite interesting to finally find a review that actualy stops to take a critical look at Mass Effect 3, rather than seemingly heaping on the praise. Looking at the game as a whole, and not just the story or what it means for the series, the review is perhaps the first that I agree with. I'm not praising ME3 like I did ME2, but at the same time there's nothing patently wrong witht he game as a whole except for maybe that last few minutes of cutscenes ad dialogue.

Considering the fate of trilogies, ME3 does seem to atleast avoid the curse of being the third installment. But what do you think?

[Rickin10]

I was looking forward to Yahtzee's review, but I have to say I thought it was his most disappointingly bland.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Of course, his little cutesy comments he inserts at the end of his videos accuses everyone who didn't like the ending or thinks it was stupid and should be changed of the typical critical misunderstandings.

[Jat371]

Posted this already, lol: http://social.biowar.../index/10389206

[CrutchCricket]

What critical look? It's "just blah-blah-blah- chest high walls grr!" like he's reviewing generic "Call of Modern Warfare Duty Shooter 12". There are plenty of things he could've critiqued about the game, even ignoring the endings. But he didn't. Disappointed.

[Jarcander]

Ha! Now people are going to rage because he didn't hate the ending. Opinions are so much fun...

[Sarah Aran]

Well... regards the ending, I do agree that it could have been worse. Look at Dragon Age 2...

[DaringMoosejaw]

Sarah Aran wrote...

Well... regards the ending, I do agree that it could have been worse. Look at Dragon Age 2...

Dragon Age 2 had a similar problem with closure, however the people you met in that game were all introduced in the same game and not a build up of two previous games, so just for that I find ME3's lack of closure significantly worse. Let's not even get into the plot holes. DA2's ending may have been bad writing about a cause you didn't really care about, but it at least made sense.

[Jarcander]

The main problem with Dragon Age 2 was the massive recycling of the envinronments and enemies that dropped out of nowhere in seemingly endless waves, and stupid ass fighting animations... not the ending.

Modifié par Jarcander, 23 mars 2012 - 01:46 .

[halbert986]

His philosophy is that the sky is blue, dogs bark, and bioware games have good writing. Well one of those things is no longer true. I expected him to recognize that is this review. But even without a comment on the endings, his reviews are always entertaining. Not so with this one. I can watch reviews for games I've never even played and enjoy it, but this was just meh.

[Sarah Aran]

Jarcander wrote...

The main problem with Dragon Age 2 was the massive recycling of the envinronments and enemies that dropped out of nowhere in seemingly endless waves, and stupid ass fighting animations... not the ending.

In this gamer's opinion, the ending was equaly as nebulous, confusing, and unexplained as the ME3 ending. Where ME3 has a huge passionate debate over its ending, as it's supposedly the final word for the ME story; DA2's ending was equaly nebulous, but can be forgiven, if only because most everyone rightly assumes there will be a DA3 and that they will explain what happened in those last few minutes.

Now imagine the unthinkable, someone did some bad stock trading, maybe a sex scandal, or maybe the end of the world as we know it, and no one makes a DA3. But preserved for eternity we have DA2. See the problem here?

I don't even believe the DA2 finale is even a cliffhanger ending, as we have little investment if any at all in the characters at the end, as the player is just too confused to even make sense of it.

You could say I'm arguing apples and oranges and DA is supposed to be a trillogy so naturaly the second game will have an unresolved ending, however I'd believe that games and their stories should be able to stand on their own, regardless of how they fit into the big picture.

Looking at the ending objectively, there are far greater crimes to storytelling than the ME3 ending. It could have been alot worse!

[MrFob]

That is one of the worst ZP reviews I have seen so far. Bad review, and he isn't going into the real issues. I usually like this guy but on ME3, he failed.

[CaptainDope]

Since when do you take ZP's reviews as 100% serious? I think of him more as a comedian than a reviewer.

[CombustiblePanda]

halbert986 wrote...

His philosophy is that the sky is blue, dogs bark, and bioware games have good writing. Well one of those things is no longer true. I expected him to recognize that is this review. But even without a comment on the endings, his reviews are always entertaining. Not so with this one. I can watch reviews for games I've never even played and enjoy it, but this was just meh.

Bioware DOES do good writing, and the terrible ending doesn't really change that.
Mass Effect 3 had some fantastic writing in it.

[CRISIS1717]

I loved the Mako and exploration too! much love for Yahtzee!

[SolidisusSnake1]

I was disappointed by the review, it felt very disjointed and unpolished unlike all his other reviews. There were a lot of things I was expecting him to criticize yet he didnt and I expected him to go nuts over the Deus Ex endings. Overall all it was a meh review.

[RavenEyry]

Not one of his better reviews, but I did like the observation that something drives the shuttle away in nearly every mission. I hadn't noticed that.

[Jarcander]

Sarah Aran wrote...

DA2's ending was equaly nebulous, but can be forgiven, if only because most everyone rightly assumes there will be a DA3 and that they will explain what happened in those last few minutes.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

Sarah Aran wrote...

Now imagine the unthinkable, someone did some bad stock trading, maybe a sex scandal, or maybe the end of the world as we know it, and no one makes a DA3. But preserved for eternity we have DA2. See the problem here?

Not really. Should this really happen, a few people would moan and gnash their teeth (morrigan approves), but most would've already moved on. It is in my opinion completely accepted to end the middle of the trilogy in that fashion. If we were to compare the ending of ME2 and DA2, I would rank the latter slightly, very slightly higher. Human Reaper thing was just silly.

Sarah Aran wrote...

I don't even believe the DA2 finale is even a cliffhanger ending, as we have little investment if any at all in the characters at the end, as the player is just too confused to even make sense of it.

I imagine in DA3 you won't play Hawke or Hero from the dog country so not investing in characters too closely can be forgiven. Would've been nice though, no arguments there.

Sarah Aran wrote...

You could say I'm arguing apples and oranges and DA is supposed to be a trillogy so naturaly the second game will have an unresolved ending, however I'd believe that games and their stories should be able to stand on their own, regardless of how they fit into the big picture.

They actually do stand on their own, at least as far as character stories are concerned, but the greater story behind it all goes on and does not care about, what could be called, minor players in the world. Again, they could've gone into more detail about the characters at the end of each story, but I suppose it wasn't to be.

Sarah Aran wrote...

Looking at the ending objectively, there are far greater crimes to storytelling than the ME3 ending. It could have been alot worse!

Well, they announced they are going to fix it anyway. (what they obviously planned to do anyway, except now with this much drama, they'll probably give it out for free to applease the fans) Could've been worse. Bioware writers really do enjoy killing off characters...

[FyreSyder]

Yahtzee never really cared about Mass Effect anyway so I'm not surprised.

[jameshawking]

I laughed.

You called Yahtzee a review

[Godeskian]

I'm surprised at how carefully he stepped around the ending issue. He's usually more direct, both in his complaints, and in his lavishments.

[Jarcander]

Luc0s wrote...

You guys aren't really smart are ya? Yahtzee clearly hates the endings just like us. Pay more attention to what he really says at the end of his review. He's basically making fun of IGN and anyone who thinks the ending is any good.

And you sir, fail at reading between lines. You always have to read between the lines with Yahtzee.