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[Bellendaine]

This may have been discussed before, but I can't find a thread on it.

Despite my feelings about the Ending, and waiting patiently for that to be cleared up before I make any decisions regarding my long-term affiliation with Bioware, I have to say that I'm still pretty unsettled by a Mass Effect without Shepard.

I realize that for artists (I am one, a theater director and actor), and fans (one of those to), sometimes people want a change.  There's a weariness with playing the same character over and over, but I find that for me, at least, I'm not done with Shepard yet.

I realize again that this is the end of a story arc for him, and that perhaps due to the endings or the game situation, it might be hard to continue his story into a theoretical ME4, but I think that would be a wonderful challenge.  It just strikes me as awfully short-sighted that Bioware and the ME team would "end" a character's journey when they're as potentially compelling as Shepard has been for me.  

It's somewhat ironic, too, as I'm not generally a fan of voiced characters in RPGs 'cause I feel like they take away *my* take on them (granted, I am an actor so I enjoy that part of the role-play and others don't), but through the work of Meer and Hale I've really found that Shepard is ... well, me.  And I want more of me to continue.

I guess I think it's very much akin to the issues with Conan Doyle killing Sherlock.  The artist sometimes lets the character get on their nerves, but is it cutting off your nose to spite your face to kill off a great iconic character?  At least Doyle brought him back ...

Bioware, maybe reconsider this as the end of Shep's journey?  I know Hudson I think said something along the lines of "this isn't the last you'll see of Commander Shepard" but not sure what the means.

Out of curiosity, am I the only person who feels that way?

Modifié par Bellendaine, 23 mars 2012 - 01:20 .

[Thrazesul]

As much as I like Shepard, I kinda feel sorry for him/her to have to relive MORE crazy stuff after the whole reaper thing. I don't trust whatever Bioware say in their twitters and other places anymore. If Shepard appears again it'll most likely be as a video recorder somewhere.

I'm frankly not sure what I think. Part of me would love to eat those words up and continue playing with Shepard. But at the same time... how much else will be new after ME3 now? I'll miss the characters but how much more can they be expanded on?

However, I'm not really prepared to jump into a new ME game if this is how Bioware will end them, so it is a kinda moot point for me.

Modifié par Nerana, 23 mars 2012 - 01:24 .

[CptData]

From what I know so far, ME3 ends Shepard's story. And it's okay for me, since Shepard's story was about the Reapers. Regardless if the endings were a hallucination or real, the Reapers are gone. No need for the author to tell another story with Shepard - it won't feel that epically anymore.

However, I'd like to clear things up in the finale of ME3. Want to know more about the state of the galaxy post-war. Want to know if Shepard really decided the fate of the galaxy or not. I want to know if s/he was indoctrinated and hallucinating the entire finale after getting almost killed by the beam. As an artist - I'm a writer - I can say there's a real closure missing.

That's why ME3 feels so dissatisfying. It's not just the Normandy's fate, but the lack of content for the epilogue. The old man and the child don't do the trick for me.

[CroGamer002]

Mass Effect without Shepard is easily done.
Just this trilogy can't be imagined without Shepard as protagonist.

But too bad Casey and Mac killed this franchise in 5 minutes to be artsy.

[Bellendaine]

Thanks for the responses. Maybe I'm just too emotionally invested in my Shep ... I just am not ready to let go of him in terms of a story. I want he and his LI to have new adventures, perhaps finding out who actually created the Reapers, or putting the galaxy back together, or something like that ...

*sigh*

[CptData]

Bellendaine wrote...

Thanks for the responses. Maybe I'm just too emotionally invested in my Shep ... I just am not ready to let go of him in terms of a story. I want he and his LI to have new adventures, perhaps finding out who actually created the Reapers, or putting the galaxy back together, or something like that ...

*sigh*

Although you may not share the same LI like myself, I'm currently working at a project called: "Mass Effect 3: Rebirth" ... stay tuned. It may continue Shepard's adventures. At least a bit.

[Knightly_BW]

For me, ME triolgy feels like Star Wars original triolgy, Shepard being Luke Skywalker. He is a good character and great to make player/audience aware of universe.

ME without Shepard could be done; with current endings it would feel like Mess Effect tho'. Every fleet from every race stuck in Sol system with only one habitable planet doesn't promising much. Biggest problem with endings is, at least for me, all of them destroy relays. Even the control ending.

I like to think Control ending like(hmm maybe in better wording, it would be better that way) Silver Surfer/Galactus thing. While adding his will to Reapers, Shep should earn a right to spare earth. Sol Mass Relay destroyed and humans kept in avarage technological advancement, Shep must sacrifice every other sentient being in the galaxy.

For sometime I am seeing current endings as a cliffhanger. My Shepard survived and there is more to his story than we had. Maybe interspeices war to dominate/share Earth, maybe a way to repair Mass Relays or finding other means to make every race go their home planet.

Heh I can even go one step ahead and claim someone sabotage the ending of Mass Effect 3. Looking to whole story and those messed up endings feels like someone intended to make ME3 fail.

As Cpt Data or me, everyone can easily create their own after the ME3 story. I see every players' game as a multiverse. Millions of earths and millions of Shepards... now we need an Infinity Crisis.

Modifié par Asperius, 23 mars 2012 - 01:56 .

[EmGo]

 You are not the only one. I don't imagine ME Universe without FemShep as a protagonist. If they make another ME game with some other character... I don't know, maybe I will play, maybe not, but it will be wrong for me without Shepard. I sincerely hope they woulg continue Shepard story. I know the chances are very slim, but...

[xAmilli0n]

Yeah, its hard to imagine ME without Shep, but I think its possible. As was mentioned above, Shep could be looked at as our vehicle for seeing the ME universe during the trilogy, but he alone does not = the ME universe. I don't know how Bioware is going to keep the ME universe alive, but honestly, I hope they do, and I hope they do it well. ME3 might be the end of Shep (thought we will certainly get some DLC to continue Sheps story, either pre or post endgame), but its not the end of ME, at least in my opinion.

[Bellendaine]

Again, thanks for the responses. It's interesting to see how others feel about it.

@EmGo, that's kinda how I feel ... I want ME to continue as a franchise, 'cause I love it, but I can't imagine playing it without Shepard. Maybe time will make that fade and I'll be able to let go, but right now it's just unfathomable to me.

@Asperius: LOL to the Infinity Crisis ... a fellow comics love, I see!

[ImperatorMortis]

I'm sick of Shepard.
Bring on the new main character Bioware, and this time let us choose his/her species.

[Knightly_BW]

Bellendaine wrote...

Again, thanks for the responses. It's interesting to see how others feel about it.

@EmGo, that's kinda how I feel ... I want ME to continue as a franchise, 'cause I love it, but I can't imagine playing it without Shepard. Maybe time will make that fade and I'll be able to let go, but right now it's just unfathomable to me.

@Asperius: LOL to the Infinity Crisis ... a fellow comics love, I see!

Just put your faith in brains creating this story or people who will work on related projects who loves ME universe.

Another example from an old bag (well not that old but still old ). When I was a child (7-8) I've used ot love TV show Charlie's Angels. I loved that series so much even today hearing its intro tune gives me goosebumps and excitement(Sabrina was my favorite by the way). When I heard they are making a movie out of that show, I kinda annoyed they would ruin the spirit of something golden. I refused to watch movie until couple of years both my cruiosity and love for Drew Barrymore got the better of me and I gave in. Yeah my angels were gone but movie was still enjoyable and to me justifying spirit of the series with modern twist. Grabbed the "Full Throttle" on release date. Now I am annoyed they stopped with 2nd movie.

Now I am off to Youtube to watch season 1 intro of the show again.

[LadyofRivendell]

I absolutely hate protagonist changes in a series, unless it's something like Dragon Age or Final Fantasy where we've gotten a new character per game.

I don't plan on playing any more ME games after this... Without Shep & crew, the game just wouldn't feel right. I don't really care about playing as an Asari or Turian or whatnot.

[Degs29]

Bellendaine wrote...

I realize again that this is the end of a story arc for him, and that perhaps due to the endings or the game situation, it might be hard to continue his story into a theoretical ME4, but I think that would be a wonderful challenge.  It just strikes me as awfully short-sighted that Bioware and the ME team would "end" a character's journey when they're as potentially compelling as Shepard has been for me.  

Unfortunately, with the way ME3 ended, it doesn't just seem like they ended Shepard's story arc...but the whole ME story arc.  I can't see how the next game can be post-relay destruction.  How can any game dated after Shepard's story be as massive now that the galaxy is completely shut off?

[Degs29]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

I absolutely hate protagonist changes in a series, unless it's something like Dragon Age or Final Fantasy where we've gotten a new character per game.

I don't plan on playing any more ME games after this... Without Shep & crew, the game just wouldn't feel right. I don't really care about playing as an Asari or Turian or whatnot.

What, why not?!  It wouldn't feel the same, true.  But it could still be great.  A whole new game set in a world we're all familiar with.

[Demonhoopa]

If they do continue the Mass Effect universe, I HOPE they don't bring back Shepard. But I hate Mark Meer's work so my motivation has nothing to do with the actual character.

With the way things ended, perhaps they'd do a prequel? Maybe First Contact War?

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 23 mars 2012 - 04:18 .

[ashwind]

Shepard will be missed. However it is best for them to retire Shepard in the prime of his story/popularity.

At least that way we do not have to worry about anyone messing up Shepard in the future XD

[xAmilli0n]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Bring on the new main character Bioware, and this time let us choose his/her species.

A curious idea which could work quite well if executed correctly.  There are however, many obstacles.  They would need a large amount of voice actors simply for the protagonist, all the various subplots would have to reflect the various species, backgrounds, character relationships, etc.  I think its a great idea, but also a very ambitious one that would be incredibly hard to pull off.

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 23 mars 2012 - 04:25 .

[LadyofRivendell]

Degs29 wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

I absolutely hate protagonist changes in a series, unless it's something like Dragon Age or Final Fantasy where we've gotten a new character per game.

I don't plan on playing any more ME games after this... Without Shep & crew, the game just wouldn't feel right. I don't really care about playing as an Asari or Turian or whatnot.

What, why not?!  It wouldn't feel the same, true.  But it could still be great.  A whole new game set in a world we're all familiar with.

Because I play for the characters, not the setting or plot or anything like that. The game would just feel too empty for me without the people I've come to know and love. I'm weird like that.

[xAmilli0n]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Degs29 wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

I absolutely hate protagonist changes in a series, unless it's something like Dragon Age or Final Fantasy where we've gotten a new character per game.

I don't plan on playing any more ME games after this... Without Shep & crew, the game just wouldn't feel right. I don't really care about playing as an Asari or Turian or whatnot.

What, why not?!  It wouldn't feel the same, true.  But it could still be great.  A whole new game set in a world we're all familiar with.

Because I play for the characters, not the setting or plot or anything like that. The game would just feel too empty for me without the people I've come to know and love. I'm weird like that.

I totally see what you mean.  To me, what made ME so great was the characters, and the relationships.  It made the game personal and engaging.  An ME game without the charactes we have come to know and love would indeed feel odd.  However, I don't think we should discount the potential of the ME universe.  Will it be the same?  Of course not.  However, that doesn't automatically mean it can't be as good either.

[Aver88]

I don't care about Shepard but I know that without him we won't see any companions from ME1-3 and if we will then it will be some minor role, so I'm sad that it was last game about Shepard.

Especially because I know that they won't make another punkish character to avoid comments "it's copy of Jack" - she is too distinctive. They may make another nice Asari, another cool Turian or another hard female solider but I bet that they won't make another female punk.

[nicki92]

If Shepard had lived on to ME4, it would be impossible for it not to be a let-down.

Notice his job got progressivley more difficult and more monumental in each game? Now he his literaly saved the galaxy. What could they possibley have him do to top that?

[Aver88]

nicki92 wrote...

If Shepard had lived on to ME4, it would be impossible for it not to be a let-down.

Notice his job got progressivley more difficult and more monumental in each game? Now he his literaly saved the galaxy. What could they possibley have him do to top that?

I don't feel like his task in ME2 was more monumental than in ME1. 

[Demonhoopa]

Aver88 wrote...

nicki92 wrote...

If Shepard had lived on to ME4, it would be impossible for it not to be a let-down.

Notice his job got progressivley more difficult and more monumental in each game? Now he his literaly saved the galaxy. What could they possibley have him do to top that?

I don't feel like his task in ME2 was more monumental than in ME1. 

I don't know about "monumental" but I know which task I'd rather be stuck with.

Going through the Omega 4 relay, which NO ONE had ever survived, into dark space and hitting the collectors where they live with only a small team. Don't even get me started on the seeker swarms. Nevermind SURVIVING this suicide mission? Uh.......no thank you. 

I'll take my chances taking on one reaper, one spectre and the geth with the help of the entire alliance fleet on our home turf. But that's just me.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 23 mars 2012 - 05:04 .